Canada Should Get Nuclear Weapons

[Lalaki]

All of those nations are part of the UN security council and it wouldn't make sense for Canada to have them. Last thing the world needs is a nuclear stand off between bordering countries. I'm going to be frank, but I'm sensing you have a too high degree of paranoia.

Like India and Pakistan?

And that is not a good thing, at all.

[The Republic of Merrimont]

Canada is protected by nato and the commonwealth america will never even think of invading it.

[KASSRD]

All of those nations are part of the UN security council and it wouldn't make sense for Canada to have them. Last thing the world needs is a nuclear stand off between bordering countries. I'm going to be frank, but I'm sensing you have a too high degree of paranoia.

Like India and Pakistan?

Yes. We defiantly don't need another place like India/Pakistan.

[Dracoria]

All of those nations are part of the UN security council and it wouldn't make sense for Canada to have them. Last thing the world needs is a nuclear stand off between bordering countries. I'm going to be frank, but I'm sensing you have a too high degree of paranoia.

Like India and Pakistan?

I'm sure we can all sleep soundly knowing that India and Pakistan are still quite angry at eachother, have opposing claims on a border region, occasionally skirmish, and both possess strategic nuclear weapons pointed at one another.

[Wisconsin9]

You know, my point was that, despite nuclear weapons having been in play for decades, neither country has actually used one. Not one, by either side, despite the fact that India had them 25 years before Pakistan, despite the fact that both countries hate each other and have been in conflict in that time.

[Dakini]

What do you think NSG? Is it time for Canada to go nuclear?

No.

[KASSRD]

You know, my point was that, despite nuclear weapons having been in play for decades, neither country has actually used one. Not one, by either side, despite the fact that India had them 25 years before Pakistan, despite the fact that both countries hate each other and have been in conflict in that time.

That's because using nukes is a bad idea. The only time I bet anyone will use them is as a last resort.

[United States of Cascadia]

I think that Canada should get nuclear weapons.

Things look like they're pretty crazy down in the US border and some day, the USA might suddenly decide to invade and annex Canada (they've shown their willingness to invade somewhere as far away as Iraq for oil).

After all, Canada is sitting on top of extremely resource rich land. It has massive reserves of oil, natural gas, and mineral resources. Should the US or another country turn imperial one day, Canada would be a logical target. Its a massive country with a ton of natural resources (and tons of untapped resources in the Canadian North), yet it only has around 34 million people (less people than the tiny island country of the UK), almost all located in easily targetted cities close to the US border. I am NOT exaggerating when I say if the USA wanted to, it could invade and take all of Canada's major cities in a few weeks.

Canada isn't safe. It relies too much on the USA, if the USA turns against it or if the USA is unwilling to defend Canada when Canada gets attacked, it is doomed. Canada must get nuclear weapons. Then no one would dare invade it no matter the profits because Canada could retaliate with a nuclear strike. I'm surprised that Canada doesn't have nuclear weapons. France, the UK, China, and Russia all have them so why not Canada?

It's time for Canada to get nukes to ensure it is secure. It's time for Canada to join the world's elite and prestigious club of nations, a club whose individual members have the capability to destroy entire cities and forests with the click of a button. It's time for Canada to get some of that glory and power. Now is the time to do it, when war is looming, it will be too late.

What do you think NSG? Is it time for Canada to go nuclear?

Yes Canada is resource rich, but so is the US, and Canada and the US are each others biggest trade partners, which means we have no problem getting things from them. You mentioned in another post that the US went after Iraq for oil, since no one seems to have addressed that, I will. Following the invasion of Iraq, Iraqi oil field production plummeted. Something that should come as no surprise when you consider they were under attack, now that reconstruction has begun in Iraq, most of the oil fields haven't gone to US companies, but British ones, so much for the resource invasion theory...

I agree, Canada's cities and populace are incredibly close to the border with the US, but so what? We're each others biggest trade partners, and arguably most important ally (The UK could be argued for either of the two). Beyond this, both countries are NATO members, and that gives all countries in NATO a mutual defense pact with each other, so if the US decided to break this, all of NATO is now involved. Yes the US military budget is higher than the rest of NATO, but many of those countries operate nukes, which act as a plenty of deterrent to the US nuking Canada (or invading for that matter). Not to mention, when nukes get into the picture the world is fucked, and everyone is doomed.

Onto the Big Five (US, UK, France, Russia, and China) having nukes, with the exception of the US (which is a bona-fide superpower) the big five are the closest things the world has to superpowers (again, the US is one, but still). These are nations that decided that a nuclear deterrent from each other was a good thing, a fact that has since changed with many of them disarming their arsenals. Canada doesn't even come close to the Big 5 in terms of power, so that's another good reason.

Now as a deterrent of invasion, with the nuclear non-proliferation treaty (of which Canada is a signitary), developing nuclear weapons is illegal (which is why Israel won't declare there's), and would result in diplomatic and economic sanctions, sending the Canadian economy back to the stone age. At worst, the developing of nukes could in fact result in an invasion to prevent nuclear proliferation, the exact opposite of what you are wanting. You also underestimate the easiness of creating nuclear (or especially thermonuclear weaponry), nukes require very large amounts of highly refined Uranium, far more so than is needed for a nuclear power plant even. The two countries with the largest deposits of Uranium? The US and Russia, neither of which want another nuclear power in the world.

Now, lets ignore all of my post, assume that Canada somehow develops nukes, doesn't get invaded or sanction before then, and the US decides an invasion and/or nuking is a good idea. The rest of the world would absolutely get involved. Now it looks like have read my posts about the US being able to fuck the world if it wanted. They absolutely can, but why would it? When you fuck the world, you fuck the world, and that includes the US. Declaring war on the world does nothing for the US but destroy humanity. The second one nuke flies the world is doomed, and humanity goes extinct.

In conclusion, the idea that the US would invade Canada is ludicrous, the idea that developing nukes would prevent invasion is stupid, and that nukes are bad for the world. Now, if after this entire post you are still stupid enough to believe nukes are a good answer to anything, than you are truly hopeless.

[Dracoria]

You know, my point was that, despite nuclear weapons having been in play for decades, neither country has actually used one. Not one, by either side, despite the fact that India had them 25 years before Pakistan, despite the fact that both countries hate each other and have been in conflict in that time.

They're also two of the most likely countries to do so. Their weapons tests set the doomsday clock ahead +5 minutes back in 1998, only matched in a single move forward in 1968 by:

Regional wars wage: Vietnam War intensifies, Six Day War occurs in 1967 and Indo-Pakistani War of 1965 takes place. Worse yet, France and China, two nations which have not signed the Partial Test Ban Treaty, acquire and test nuclear weapons (1960 (Gerboise Bleue nuclear test) and 1964 (596 nuclear test) respectively) to assert themselves as global players in the nuclear arms race.

The USSR testing a nuclear weapon and officially beginning the nuclear arms race was only rated at +4 minutes.

[New Aerios]

The United States will never invade Canada. Besides , having nuclear weapons doesn't mean no one will ever dare attack you. Israel has nuclear weapons, and it's at war.

How do you know? In politics anyone can betray anyone. Alliances are on paper only, remember when the Germans invaded the USSR despite their non-aggression pact? If Roose Bolton can suddenly betray Robb Stark, the US could one day (in theory) do the same to Canada. It's a cruel world and Canada should be prepared for anything.

Israel can still fight wars if it wants. But if Arab nations ever come close to winning and taking over Israel, don't you think Israel would threaten a nuclear strike long before?

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[Risottia]

I think that Canada should get nuclear weapons.

Whatever can be used to restore Her Majesty's rightful rule over the insurgent colonies is welcome indeed.

Royal Canadian Mounted Nuclear Warheads for the win!

[Reich Line]

Yes because more nukes is a good thing...

[West Aurelia]

Canada, as a stable, developed nation, should have the right to nuclear weapons. Whether they want them or not is another question.

[Urran]

No, they don't. No more death, please.

[Fireye]

Been listening to a little too much Dennis Leary, I see.

[Opplandia]

well, I dont think that Canada really needs nuclear-weapons (as much as any other country doesnt really need them) but I wouldnt object if they some day build/buy some.

[Rephesus]

As a Canadian. No, no we shouldn't, not until we can actually revamp the military atleast. I'm not exactly opposed to the idea, it's the cost. If this could be done in a cheap and effective manner without political backlash, sure. But it's costly, and frankly I'd rather us get some nice 5th gen fighters, or y'know, a tax break

[Aushanit]

Why? Not like nuclear weapons are of any use to the Canadians at any capacity.

[Rephesus]

no I'm giving them a reason not to invade.

I expect Canada can get the nuclear weapons relatively quickly, especially if it develops peaceful nuclear energy first. After all, Canada has cooperated with the Americans in their nuclear program in the past I believe. They should be able to make a sudden jump.

Once the nukes are active, that's a reason for countries NOT to invade Canada, not to invade it.

The US would not invade Canada. Doing so would turn NATO against the US, its biggest supporter. That is not smart.

You spoke of Iraq. That was multilateral and supported by the UK and Canada.

Actually we didn't support Iraq, Parliament voted against it. It's Afghanistan we went to.

[Rephesus]

Like India and Pakistan?

And that is not a good thing, at all.

Isn't it? The few small wars since they've been armed have been localized and small scale. In a world without Nukes war between two militarily-developed nations would happen far more often and be much more deadly, there would be no looming threat of nuclear annihilation.

[Allet Klar Chefs]

I think that Canada should get nuclear weapons.

I disagree.

[Nickel Empire]

We did have nukes during the cold war except they were American nukes stationed here.

[Lavan Tiri]

The one thing that all of y'all are ignoring: what about disagreements in the USA? Someone's gonna object to an invasion of Canada.

[Nickel Empire]

As a Canadian. No, no we shouldn't, not until we can actually revamp the military atleast. I'm not exactly opposed to the idea, it's the cost. If this could be done in a cheap and effective manner without political backlash, sure. But it's costly, and frankly I'd rather us get some nice 5th gen fighters, or y'know, a tax break

He's right our military is crap right now and until we make sure not all of our military equipment is from the 60's we shouldn't get nukes.

[Ustasha]

Things look like they're pretty crazy down in the US border and some day, the USA might suddenly decide to invade and annex Canada (they've shown their willingness to invade somewhere as far away as Iraq for oil).

Ah, I remember when I was 14. Your childlike grasp of geopolitics is adorable.

1) People are still using the "for oil" argument? Seriously? I thought they would've stopped after, you know, we didn't get any oil out of the place. Our gas prices certainly haven't gone down. Sorry, son, Iraq was about crushing a brutal dictatorship and removing a threat to ourselves and the world. We wouldn't spend a trillion dollars for some oil.

2) Canada is a member of the British Commonwealth; we invade you and we'd find ourselves at war with Britain and Australia, basically our two greatest allies on the planet. Why would we do that?

3) It would severely lower our standing in the international community (even though it's already quite low, granted) to attack a (relatively) peaceful nation like Canada for no reason. Then again, we never thought our standing would be lowered so much by attacking what was basically the second-worst nation on the planet (after North Korea), an oppressive dictatorship ruled by a genocidal madman and his rapist sons. So who the hell knows what the international community thinks anymore... but I'm still willing to bet they wouldn't like an invasion of Canada.

4) Using your logic: "Looks like they're pretty crazy in Canada. They're willing to invade somewhere as far away as Afghanistan just because one of their allies was attacked." Stupid.

5) I can see you're not a fan of studying history. Canada had nuclear weapons up until 1984, under a joint US-NATO-Canadian defense program. You post should say, "Canada should get nuclear weapons again".

6) "Down in the US border"? No, you say "down in the US". Unless there's some crazy drunk guy who's literally trapped inside the border fence.

Anyway, spend less time watching Game of Thrones and more time studying. You clearly need it more than most.