Canada Should Get Nuclear Weapons

[Lalaki]

"Things look like they're pretty crazy down in the US border and some day, the USA might suddenly decide to invade and annex Canada (they've shown their willingness to invade somewhere as far away as Iraq for oil). "

I think we already tried that.

Iraq War? Supported by Canada, the UK, NATO at large, and many others.

[New Catalonia]

Canada definitely does not need nuclear weapons...

[Wisconsin9]

How would the government even justify an invasion of Canada? We're similar enough to you lot (read: European-descended English-speaking Christians) that an invasion would be complete political suicide for the current government. There would be mass protests, recall elections, calls to impeach.

[Infected Mushroom]

"Things look like they're pretty crazy down in the US border and some day, the USA might suddenly decide to invade and annex Canada (they've shown their willingness to invade somewhere as far away as Iraq for oil). "

I think we already tried that.

Iraq War? Supported by Canada, the UK, NATO at large, and many others.

Canada did not support Iraq. Right?

[Dracoria]

This is a rather simplistic worldview. You're ignoring the kind of damage that can be done with severe economic sanctions to a nation in the modern globalized economy. Unless China sides with the US and manages to make up for any trade loss the US will suffer with the rest of the world somehow, the results would devastate the American economy. The US isn't going to mess with its economic allies to that extent. We need that trade as much as they do.

In this day and age, no bloc of countries can effectively stop trading with the US and not commit economic suicide. Economic sanctions against America? That's never going to happen.

The US would bleed if gets sanctioned but whoever is doing the sanctioning would stop working completely...

In the global economy, the entire world has alternatives to one country. One country does not have an alternative to the world. If they think they do, they turn into North Korea.

[Infected Mushroom]

How would the government even justify an invasion of Canada? We're similar enough to you lot (read: European-descended English-speaking Christians) that an invasion would be complete political suicide for the current government. There would be mass protests, recall elections, calls to impeach.

I expect they would set up some kind of bomb accident. And then blame it on Canada. Kind of like how the Mukden Incident was the pretext for Japan invading China in the 1930s...

[Dracoria]

How would the government even justify an invasion of Canada? We're similar enough to you lot (read: European-descended English-speaking Christians) that an invasion would be complete political suicide for the current government. There would be mass protests, recall elections, calls to impeach.

Those are complexities of the modern world that some do not wish to hear, apparently.

[Ganos Lao]

Iraq War? Supported by Canada, the UK, NATO at large, and many others.

Canada did not support Iraq. Right?

Canada didn't support the invasion, but did contribute to reconstruction.

[Dracoria]

How would the government even justify an invasion of Canada? We're similar enough to you lot (read: European-descended English-speaking Christians) that an invasion would be complete political suicide for the current government. There would be mass protests, recall elections, calls to impeach.

I expect they would set up some kind of bomb accident. And then blame it on Canada. Kind of like how the Mukden Incident was the pretext for Japan invading China in the 1930s...

With modern, international news agencies investigating it from the start? It's a different world today.

[Infected Mushroom]

In this day and age, no bloc of countries can effectively stop trading with the US and not commit economic suicide. Economic sanctions against America? That's never going to happen.

The US would bleed if gets sanctioned but whoever is doing the sanctioning would stop working completely...

In the global economy, the entire world has alternatives to one country. One country does not have an alternative to the world. If they think they do, they turn into North Korea.

you do realize that this is the world's biggest economy?

The world economy NEEDS to trade with the US to work at this point. Its indispensible.

[Wisconsin9]

How would the government even justify an invasion of Canada? We're similar enough to you lot (read: European-descended English-speaking Christians) that an invasion would be complete political suicide for the current government. There would be mass protests, recall elections, calls to impeach.

I expect they would set up some kind of bomb accident. And then blame it on Canada. Kind of like how the Mukden Incident was the pretext for Japan invading China in the 1930s...

A terrorism thing might work when two countries already hate each other, but we don't hate each other. Americans and Canadians may give each other a lot of shit, but it's more brotherly than actual dislike. If something like that was tried, it wouldn't turn us against you, it would make us wonder why, I dunno, the two governments didn't work together to smack the shit out of whoever was responsible.

[Lalaki]

Iraq War? Supported by Canada, the UK, NATO at large, and many others.

Canada did not support Iraq. Right?

Not directly, but Canada's position with Iraq was complex and had influences from membership in NATO. Plus, Canada directly aided the US in Afghanistan.

I should have made that more clear. My fault for ambiguity. Anyways:

You do realize that the USA is more powerful than the rest of NATO combined? like way more powerful?

That doesn't matter. The US would not want to lose the support of the UK and France. And Canada is one of our closest allies. You are assuming the worse about the US. Iraq? Supported/aided by the UK, France... Vietnam? Supported and pulled into by France. Iran 1953 coup? Supported/aided by the UK.

And so you see, many "imperialist" actions by the US were supported, and even instigated (in the case of Iran and Vietnam) by another country that has a high standing in the international community. The US just takes the blame.

The US is not as bad as many think it is. At least not on its own.

[Infected Mushroom]

I expect they would set up some kind of bomb accident. And then blame it on Canada. Kind of like how the Mukden Incident was the pretext for Japan invading China in the 1930s...

With modern, international news agencies investigating it from the start? It's a different world today.

The USA didn't wait for such confirmation when they hit Iraq, what makes you think they will wait when it's Canada's turn?

Like I said, do you really want Canada to be at the mercy of the USA? All it takes is one bad president and a couple of really bad economic turns... things turn desperate enough and someone's going to look north for easy resource gains.

Canada should be prepared for anything.

[Cymrea]

If the U.S. ever invades, Canada just pulls back to the arctic, and then waits for the Americans to get bored and leave.

"Wait...what? They're attacking? But it's last call!"

[The United Territories of Providence]

We don't want Canada, so you're flattering yourself. We don't need to steal your oil, you sell it cheap. We don't need your wood, your maple syrup, your freaking diabetes fries with gravy or anything else. Nuclear weapons wouldn't stop us even if we wanted Canada. We have a stockpile in the tens of thousands, and 75% of the Canadian population lives within 100 miles of the us border. We'd be able to destroy 75% of the population before Harper can press the button. Canada is safe because nobody wants Canada. They have resources, just like every other nation. They aren't this shining jewel in a pile of turds. They're a turd, in a pile of turds. Annexation of Canada would just be a strain on the United States economy. The 19th century is over, we aren't interested in imperialism or expanding our "Great American Empire". We want self preservation. Nuclear Proliferation isn't healthy for the world, there'd be a lot less tension if no nation had nuclear weapons.

As someone who is generally one of the few on NSG that tries to defend the US within reason, I object to most of this. Canada has been shown to outperform the US out many scales, and is indeed one of the highest ranking nations on Earth.

Sure they do. But that doesn't change what I said. We wouldn't benefit from annexing Canada. We add to the deficit, we go further into debt. We have to support 40 million new citizens. We've eliminated a trade partner who was stimulating our economy, not to mention how many other countries would halt trade because we just invading Canada. They do better in education, healthcare, and other issues. But we have a larger military, we have more resources, more money, and more nuclear weapons. Canada has more to offer us as a ally, we gain little from annexation. What's to disagree with?

[New Catalonia]

How would the government even justify an invasion of Canada? We're similar enough to you lot (read: European-descended English-speaking Christians) that an invasion would be complete political suicide for the current government. There would be mass protests, recall elections, calls to impeach.

I expect they would set up some kind of bomb accident. And then blame it on Canada. Kind of like how the Mukden Incident was the pretext for Japan invading China in the 1930s...

Or Germany invading Poland.

[Lalaki]

Canada did not support Iraq. Right?

Canada didn't support the invasion, but did contribute to reconstruction.

In what ways? To my knowledge, they never joined the post-invasion force in Iraq.

[Maineiacs]

Ireland needs a nuke more than canada

Ireland should consider it too.

Let's just play Oprah. "You get a nuke! And you get a nuke! And you get a nuke! Everyone gets a nuke!"

[Dracoria]

With modern, international news agencies investigating it from the start? It's a different world today.

The USA didn't wait for such confirmation when they hit Iraq, what makes you think they will wait when it's Canada's turn?

Like I said, do you really want Canada to be at the mercy of the USA? All it takes is one bad president and a couple of really bad economic turns... things turn desperate enough and someone's going to look north for easy resource gains.

Canada should be prepared for anything.

We've had some very bad presidents and very bad economic turns. If we wind up with any worse, we'd be unable to invade a separatist compound in the South.

The idea that the US would invade Canada is sheer lunacy anyway, so I'm not sure why I'm continuing further.

[Lalaki]

As someone who is generally one of the few on NSG that tries to defend the US within reason, I object to most of this. Canada has been shown to outperform the US out many scales, and is indeed one of the highest ranking nations on Earth.

Sure they do. But that doesn't change what I said. We wouldn't benefit from annexing Canada. We add to the deficit, we go further into debt. We have to support 40 million new citizens. We've eliminated a trade partner who was stimulating our economy, not to mention how many other countries would halt trade because we just invading Canada. They do better in education, healthcare, and other issues. But we have a larger military, we have more resources, more money, and more nuclear weapons. Canada has more to offer us as a ally, we gain little from annexation. What's to disagree with?

You said Canada was, well:

We don't need your wood, your maple syrup, your freaking diabetes fries with gravy or anything else. Nuclear weapons wouldn't stop us even if we wanted Canada. We have a stockpile in the tens of thousands, and 75% of the Canadian population lives within 100 miles of the us border. We'd be able to destroy 75% of the population before Harper can press the button. Canada is safe because nobody wants Canada. They have resources, just like every other nation. They aren't this shining jewel in a pile of turds. They're a turd, in a pile of turds.

Consider your wording. You should have said Canada had more to offer as an ally instead of going on a rant.

[City States Nation]

France, the UK, China, and Russia all have them so why not Canada?

All of those nations are part of the UN security council and it wouldn't make sense for Canada to have them. Last thing the world needs is a nuclear stand off between bordering countries. I'm going to be frank, but I'm sensing you have a too high degree of paranoia.

[The United Territories of Providence]

Sure they do. But that doesn't change what I said. We wouldn't benefit from annexing Canada. We add to the deficit, we go further into debt. We have to support 40 million new citizens. We've eliminated a trade partner who was stimulating our economy, not to mention how many other countries would halt trade because we just invading Canada. They do better in education, healthcare, and other issues. But we have a larger military, we have more resources, more money, and more nuclear weapons. Canada has more to offer us as a ally, we gain little from annexation. What's to disagree with?

You said Canada was, well:

We don't need your wood, your maple syrup, your freaking diabetes fries with gravy or anything else. Nuclear weapons wouldn't stop us even if we wanted Canada. We have a stockpile in the tens of thousands, and 75% of the Canadian population lives within 100 miles of the us border. We'd be able to destroy 75% of the population before Harper can press the button. Canada is safe because nobody wants Canada. They have resources, just like every other nation. They aren't this shining jewel in a pile of turds. They're a turd, in a pile of turds.

Consider your wording. You should have said Canada had more to offer as an ally instead of going on a rant.

That's not a rant. Exceptionalism is ridiculous whether it be Canadian or American. No country is "special", sometimes that needs to be brought up. Canada is a turd, France is a turd, Britain is a turd, Australia is a turd, America, China, Russia, and every other country are equally "turd like".

[Cymric Corporate Authority]

I wasn't aware that the seals and caribou of our northern neighbor had militarized and become enough of a threat to warrant a nuclear option to keep them in check.

[Wisconsin9]

France, the UK, China, and Russia all have them so why not Canada?

All of those nations are part of the UN security council and it wouldn't make sense for Canada to have them. Last thing the world needs is a nuclear stand off between bordering countries. I'm going to be frank, but I'm sensing you have a too high degree of paranoia.

Like India and Pakistan?

[City States Nation]

All of those nations are part of the UN security council and it wouldn't make sense for Canada to have them. Last thing the world needs is a nuclear stand off between bordering countries. I'm going to be frank, but I'm sensing you have a too high degree of paranoia.

Like India and Pakistan?

I know that's bad as it is, but I couldn't imagine it on a much larger scale.