Canada Should Get Nuclear Weapons

[Infected Mushroom]

it has a ton of natural resources. Elsewhere resources are running out...

Canada has a ton of land and resources, but too little manpower to defend it.

The US is not likely to allow someone to invade its adorable hat.

Canada should be prepared for one of the following (and it can do so by having nukes to deter invasion)

1) The US itself decides to invade Canada for its resources and land

2) Someone else decides to invade Canada, the US is politically unwilling to fight on behalf of Canada (this is the US does allow someone to invade scenario)

3) The US collapses as a result of political and economic turmoil/instability or moves into civil war... Canada can get invaded by anyone at this point

[The Emerald Legion]

militaries exist to keep the peace. That's what these nukes are for. Without them, someone might be tempted to invade Canada.

Invasion is obsolete in 2014. No civilized country would invade another one.

Violence is never obsolete. Our entire world is built upon violence.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

The US is not likely to allow someone to invade its adorable hat.

Canada should be prepared for one of the following (and it can do so by having nukes to deter invasion)

1) The US itself decides to invade Canada for its resources and land

Losing all allies and gaining much less than if they simply just, I don't know, import Canada's resources.

2) Someone else decides to invade Canada, the US is politically unwilling to fight on behalf of Canada (this is the US does allow someone to invade scenario)

Because that will never happen, as a nation strong enough to invade Canada, and setting itself just above the US, is not going to sit well with any one in the states.

3) The US collapses as a result of political and economic turmoil/instability or moves into civil war... Canada can get invaded by anyone at this point

If the US collapses, then the Canada's economy, and the world's economy, collapses as well, and nuclear weapons is the last thing you are going to care about.

[Dracoria]

The US is not likely to allow someone to invade its adorable hat.

Canada should be prepared for one of the following (and it can do so by having nukes to deter invasion)

1) The US itself decides to invade Canada for its resources and land

2) Someone else decides to invade Canada, the US is politically unwilling to fight on behalf of Canada (this is the US does allow someone to invade scenario)

3) The US collapses as a result of political and economic turmoil/instability or moves into civil war... Canada can get invaded by anyone at this point

1) Unlikely, as stated numerous times earlier in the thread. Too culturally similar, too many families spread across both sides of the border, and the rest of the Commonwealth make up a large chunk of the US's other worthwhile allies. Plus, with our own government clamping down on extracting resources from our own soil, it's more beneficial for US energy consumption to allow Canada to do its own thing and sell us fuel at reasonable prices.

2) Just as unlikely. Canada is a member of NATO, NAFTA, and numerous other agreements to the point where we share a sizeable chunk of our early warning and command systems. Allowing those to fall into enemy hands? Turning our back on NATO? Allowing some hostile regime to take over Canada's role as energy exporter? Not going to happen. Hell, the US would possibly be more likely to respond to an attack on Canada than itself these days.

3) Not likely either. Aside from a civil war 150 years ago, the US has existed since the writing of the Constitution with only minor insurrections and protests. Even assuming a civil war, do remember that in 1865, Lincoln held a semi-secret meeting with the Confederate VP over an armistice so they would both be able to kick the French out of Mexico. We didn't even like Mexico that much.

[Ifreann]

Canada? Nuclear Weapons?

For what? Use them in a war? If there was a nuclear war, there would be no winner.

which is why its a deterence against invasion.

No one would invade Canada if Canada had nukes, because they would have no chance fo winning. They would be completely destroyed in retaliation.

No one would invade Canada even without nuclear weapons.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

How is Canada in any way imperiled? Quebec, maybe, for being such louts and moochers, and demanding all the benefit of being Canada while still proclaiming to hate being Canadian, but they are more likely imperiled by people who are fed up with their behavior than by any foriegners.

[Dracoria]

How is Canada in any way imperiled? Quebec, maybe, for being such louts and moochers, and demanding all the benefit of being Canada while still proclaiming to hate being Canadian, but they are more likely imperiled by people who are fed up with their behavior than by any foriegners.

It's not like secret Albertan militias are training for the day they strike toward Montreal or something. Certainly not.

[The Sotoan Union]

The US is not likely to allow someone to invade its adorable hat.

Canada should be prepared for one of the following (and it can do so by having nukes to deter invasion)

1) The US itself decides to invade Canada for its resources and land

2) Someone else decides to invade Canada, the US is politically unwilling to fight on behalf of Canada (this is the US does allow someone to invade scenario)

3) The US collapses as a result of political and economic turmoil/instability or moves into civil war... Canada can get invaded by anyone at this point

1. This is pure paranoia and is rooted in no rational political thought. We can't let paranoia dictate foreign policy.

2. How else would they invade besides through the US? The ocean? The ice chocked ocean? Besides Canada has a large navy. Only like Britain and the US could challenge them, and why would they attack Canada?

3. Clearly the whole world is just waiting to invade Canada, only the US is stopping them.

[Ifreann]

How is Canada in any way imperiled? Quebec, maybe, for being such louts and moochers, and demanding all the benefit of being Canada while still proclaiming to hate being Canadian, but they are more likely imperiled by people who are fed up with their behavior than by any foriegners.

Presumably to understand it you have to treat ASoIaF like a philosophical treatise.

[United States of Cascadia]

No one is going to invade Canada anyways.

it has a ton of natural resources. Elsewhere resources are running out...

Canada has a ton of land and resources, but too little manpower to defend it.

The world is full of resources. Canada is to big of a fish for the major powers to go after, and to big for anything that is small to go after. Beside that, they are a member of NATO, the world biggest and best military alliance in the world, no one will touch them.

[United States of Cascadia]

The US is not likely to allow someone to invade its adorable hat.

Canada should be prepared for one of the following (and it can do so by having nukes to deter invasion)

1) The US itself decides to invade Canada for its resources and land

2) Someone else decides to invade Canada, the US is politically unwilling to fight on behalf of Canada (this is the US does allow someone to invade scenario)

3) The US collapses as a result of political and economic turmoil/instability or moves into civil war... Canada can get invaded by anyone at this point

1, the US and Canada are both members of NAFTA. That means everything in either country can be traded as if it's from one country. The US already has access to Canadian resources.

2, Canada is a member of NATO, every single NATO member is required to act in defense of an attacked country. Many NATO members are nuclear powers, so no one will mess them.

3, Never going to happen. That's like preparing for Somalia to become a superpower. Never going to happen.

[-The Trade Federation-]

"Canada has lots of land and resources."

I must agree on the resources.

But land ?

Sure, we have lots of land, but most of the fertile and densely inhabited land make up about a third (or even a quarter) of Canadian land.

The rest are a bunch of cold places or ice wastelands.

Sure, some temerary people could decide to live north to extract some of the ores we have up north.

[United States Kingdom]

Canada gets nukes. Next day, we are all Americana.

[New Nassrau]

No, Canada is NATO, even if the US attacked, the rest of NATO would be against it. US invasion of Canada is highly implausible

[United States Kingdom]

No, Canada is NATO, even if the US attacked, the rest of NATO would be against it. US invasion of Canada is highly implausible

Sanctions could be applied by the USA to Canada and it will hurt both economies as USA is Canada's largest trading partner and vice versa and Canada is USA's largest supplier of the black gold.

[Rephesus]

Honestly, if it weren't so damn expensive I'd support it. Who knows what the world will be like in 80+ Years? Being nuclear means likely holding a UNSC Seat, transitioning to Nuclear Energy, and holding more global political sway. Everyone considered Pakistan a back-water failed Indian expat state until they went nuclear and became a threat/potential ally, same with how South Africa wasn't taken seriously until after their nukes came in.

As for the US, I don't see it happening soon, but then again in 1945 no one saw today's world, it might be a useful deterrent incase the world goes to shit down the road.

Again though, I prefer a tax break.

[Lalaki]

The US is not likely to allow someone to invade its adorable hat.

Canada should be prepared for one of the following (and it can do so by having nukes to deter invasion)

1) The US itself decides to invade Canada for its resources and land

2) Someone else decides to invade Canada, the US is politically unwilling to fight on behalf of Canada (this is the US does allow someone to invade scenario)

3) The US collapses as a result of political and economic turmoil/instability or moves into civil war... Canada can get invaded by anyone at this point

1) Wouldn't happen. Iraq was fought with support from the UK, and was not a major ally of the US. Canada, on the other hand, is. Plus, the US was able to use "WMDs" as a reason for action. In Canada, there is no reason that the US could claim.

2) The US is obligated via NATO to defend Canada. So is the UK and France. So Canada is safe.

3) Again, remember the other NATO countries.

Realism, my friend. Realism.

[-Arabiyah-]

lol no Russia and China already would Target Canada in the event of a nuclear war them having nukes would just make it worse also NORAD pretty much already has nukes in Canada. So it's really pointless. Like Turkey has nukes from America too.

[Lalaki]

No, Canada is NATO, even if the US attacked, the rest of NATO would be against it. US invasion of Canada is highly implausible

Not implausible, it is impossible. At least under current conditions.

[Rephesus]

No, Canada is NATO, even if the US attacked, the rest of NATO would be against it. US invasion of Canada is highly implausible

Not implausible, it is impossible. At least under current conditions.

Key word, current.

German Unification was impossible in the 50s.

I'm not saying it will happen, I doubt it, but who knows what the world will be like in 80 or more years?

[Lalaki]

Not implausible, it is impossible. At least under current conditions.

Key word, current.

German Unification was impossible in the 50s.

I'm not saying it will happen, I doubt it, but who knows what the world will be like in 80 or more years?

The point is, a country as peaceful and loving as Canada has no need for nuclear weapons. If things change in the future, we'll cross that bridge when we get there. Right now, no nukes.

[Oneracon]

Considering that Canada is one of the only countries that maintained nuclear weapons and then willingly gave them up, I see no need for us to bring them back.

[United States of Cascadia]

Considering that Canada is one of the only countries that maintained nuclear weapons and then willingly gave them up, I see no need for us to bring them back.

South Africa did too.

[Aethrys]

A junior staffer at the pentagon is reading over this thread and dusting off a copy of war plan red from some forgotten archive.

[United States of Natan]

I think that Canada should get nuclear weapons.

Things look like they're pretty crazy down in the US border and some day, the USA might suddenly decide to invade and annex Canada (they've shown their willingness to invade somewhere as far away as Iraq for oil).

After all, Canada is sitting on top of extremely resource rich land. It has massive reserves of oil, natural gas, and mineral resources. Should the US or another country turn imperial one day, Canada would be a logical target. Its a massive country with a ton of natural resources (and tons of untapped resources in the Canadian North), yet it only has around 34 million people (less people than the tiny island country of the UK), almost all located in easily targetted cities close to the US border. I am NOT exaggerating when I say if the USA wanted to, it could invade and take all of Canada's major cities in a few weeks.

Canada isn't safe. It relies too much on the USA, if the USA turns against it or if the USA is unwilling to defend Canada when Canada gets attacked, it is doomed. Canada must get nuclear weapons. Then no one would dare invade it no matter the profits because Canada could retaliate with a nuclear strike. I'm surprised that Canada doesn't have nuclear weapons. France, the UK, China, and Russia all have them so why not Canada?

It's time for Canada to get nukes to ensure it is secure. It's time for Canada to join the world's elite and prestigious club of nations, a club whose individual members have the capability to destroy entire cities and forests with the click of a button. It's time for Canada to get some of that glory and power. Now is the time to do it, when war is looming, it will be too late.

What do you think NSG? Is it time for Canada to go nuclear?

Have a case of paranoia, do we?

Relax, we aren't going to invade Canada (without just cause) and the republicans aren't powerful enough (nor are enough of them willing) to convince America to annex Canada.