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Postby The Sotoan Union » Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:40 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Andarro wrote:Why would the U.S. invade an ally?

I'd like to tell you a story about a country called Iraq...

Would you honestly compare Canada to Iraq. Canada is part of NATO for one thing. We have been friendly for over a hundred years for another.

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Postby Blakk Metal » Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:41 am

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Postby California Prime » Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:00 am

1--preparing for a day when the US would want to invade and annex Canada by force? Might as well start building Jaeger robots just in case some Kaijus show up to eat cities. These are two nations so close that they share some military bases (permanently stationed personnel from both countries), and Canada already has a nuclear arsenal and early warning detection network....The United States nuclear arsenal protects Canada by treaty, and they jointly run early warning systems with Canada.
2--for all of the good and bad reasons that some countries have nukes, where does the excuse of "we want them for protection from our strongest ally,(an ally that provides our current deterrent, hasn't been at war with us for 200 years, and shares a common language, culture, and many infrastructure elements with us) just in case they go insane". Kind of hard to take international efforts at non-proliferation of nuclear weapons seriously if reasons like THAT pass muster for having nukes.
3--The US has a sophisticated anti-missile network that can defeat "rogue" attacks (attacks consisting of several dozen or fewer missiles), which means that for Canada's nuclear deterrent against the US to be credible, they would need to have hundreds of nukes, not just becoming a nuclear state but becoming one of the handful of countries with A LOT OF NUKES
4--What would the political consequences of doing this bring? Likely it would ruin the friendship with the United States (and maybe make the US concerned about how crazy the Canadians might be, triggering an arms race that Canada has no chance of winning) and ruining trade with the US as well as military alliances.

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Postby Cobmeister » Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:05 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:I think that Canada should get nuclear weapons.

Things look like they're pretty crazy down in the US border and some day, the USA might suddenly decide to invade and annex Canada (they've shown their willingness to invade somewhere as far away as Iraq for oil).

After all, Canada is sitting on top of extremely resource rich land. It has massive reserves of oil, natural gas, and mineral resources. Should the US or another country turn imperial one day, Canada would be a logical target. Its a massive country with a ton of natural resources (and tons of untapped resources in the Canadian North), yet it only has around 34 million people (less people than the tiny island country of the UK), almost all located in easily targetted cities close to the US border. I am NOT exaggerating when I say if the USA wanted to, it could invade and take all of Canada's major cities in a few weeks.

Canada isn't safe. It relies too much on the USA, if the USA turns against it or if the USA is unwilling to defend Canada when Canada gets attacked, it is doomed. Canada must get nuclear weapons. Then no one would dare invade it no matter the profits because Canada could retaliate with a nuclear strike. I'm surprised that Canada doesn't have nuclear weapons. France, the UK, China, and Russia all have them so why not Canada?

It's time for Canada to get nukes to ensure it is secure. It's time for Canada to join the world's elite and prestigious club of nations, a club whose individual members have the capability to destroy entire cities and forests with the click of a button. It's time for Canada to get some of that glory and power. Now is the time to do it, when war is looming, it will be too late.

What do you think NSG? Is it time for Canada to go nuclear?

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Postby Ralkovian Grand Island » Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:36 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:I think that Canada should get nuclear weapons.

Things look like they're pretty crazy down in the US border and some day, the USA might suddenly decide to invade and annex Canada (they've shown their willingness to invade somewhere as far away as Iraq for oil).

After all, Canada is sitting on top of extremely resource rich land. It has massive reserves of oil, natural gas, and mineral resources. Should the US or another country turn imperial one day, Canada would be a logical target. Its a massive country with a ton of natural resources (and tons of untapped resources in the Canadian North), yet it only has around 34 million people (less people than the tiny island country of the UK), almost all located in easily targetted cities close to the US border. I am NOT exaggerating when I say if the USA wanted to, it could invade and take all of Canada's major cities in a few weeks.

Canada isn't safe. It relies too much on the USA, if the USA turns against it or if the USA is unwilling to defend Canada when Canada gets attacked, it is doomed. Canada must get nuclear weapons. Then no one would dare invade it no matter the profits because Canada could retaliate with a nuclear strike. I'm surprised that Canada doesn't have nuclear weapons. France, the UK, China, and Russia all have them so why not Canada?

It's time for Canada to get nukes to ensure it is secure. It's time for Canada to join the world's elite and prestigious club of nations, a club whose individual members have the capability to destroy entire cities and forests with the click of a button. It's time for Canada to get some of that glory and power. Now is the time to do it, when war is looming, it will be too late.

What do you think NSG? Is it time for Canada to go nuclear?


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Postby United States of Cascadia » Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:17 pm

Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:I think that Canada should get nuclear weapons.

Things look like they're pretty crazy down in the US border and some day, the USA might suddenly decide to invade and annex Canada (they've shown their willingness to invade somewhere as far away as Iraq for oil).

After all, Canada is sitting on top of extremely resource rich land. It has massive reserves of oil, natural gas, and mineral resources. Should the US or another country turn imperial one day, Canada would be a logical target. Its a massive country with a ton of natural resources (and tons of untapped resources in the Canadian North), yet it only has around 34 million people (less people than the tiny island country of the UK), almost all located in easily targetted cities close to the US border. I am NOT exaggerating when I say if the USA wanted to, it could invade and take all of Canada's major cities in a few weeks.

Canada isn't safe. It relies too much on the USA, if the USA turns against it or if the USA is unwilling to defend Canada when Canada gets attacked, it is doomed. Canada must get nuclear weapons. Then no one would dare invade it no matter the profits because Canada could retaliate with a nuclear strike. I'm surprised that Canada doesn't have nuclear weapons. France, the UK, China, and Russia all have them so why not Canada?

It's time for Canada to get nukes to ensure it is secure. It's time for Canada to join the world's elite and prestigious club of nations, a club whose individual members have the capability to destroy entire cities and forests with the click of a button. It's time for Canada to get some of that glory and power. Now is the time to do it, when war is looming, it will be too late.

What do you think NSG? Is it time for Canada to go nuclear?


aboot that, what drugs are you on eh?

And where can I get some of them? :P
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Postby Dracoria » Wed Jul 23, 2014 6:55 pm

Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
I think that Canada should get nuclear weapons.

Things look like they're pretty crazy down in the US border and some day, the USA might suddenly decide to invade and annex Canada (they've shown their willingness to invade somewhere as far away as Iraq for oil).

After all, Canada is sitting on top of extremely resource rich land. It has massive reserves of oil, natural gas, and mineral resources. Should the US or another country turn imperial one day, Canada would be a logical target. Its a massive country with a ton of natural resources (and tons of untapped resources in the Canadian North), yet it only has around 34 million people (less people than the tiny island country of the UK), almost all located in easily targetted cities close to the US border. I am NOT exaggerating when I say if the USA wanted to, it could invade and take all of Canada's major cities in a few weeks.

Canada isn't safe. It relies too much on the USA, if the USA turns against it or if the USA is unwilling to defend Canada when Canada gets attacked, it is doomed. Canada must get nuclear weapons. Then no one would dare invade it no matter the profits because Canada could retaliate with a nuclear strike. I'm surprised that Canada doesn't have nuclear weapons. France, the UK, China, and Russia all have them so why not Canada?

It's time for Canada to get nukes to ensure it is secure. It's time for Canada to join the world's elite and prestigious club of nations, a club whose individual members have the capability to destroy entire cities and forests with the click of a button. It's time for Canada to get some of that glory and power. Now is the time to do it, when war is looming, it will be too late.


What do you think NSG? Is it time for Canada to go nuclear?


aboot that, what drugs are you on eh?


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Postby Berdanvia » Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:57 pm

The USA and Canada will never go to war cause there both part of NATO, and Canada should probs have nuclear weapons because of Russia.

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Postby The Scientific States » Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:58 pm

That's a terrible idea. Not only does Canada not need them, the world should be committed to disarming, not stocking up on more nuclear weapons.
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Postby Idaho Conservatives » Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:59 pm

Any problem that Canada has, will almost certainly be America's problem too. We've got them covered, and in the meantime I don't see any need for more nuclear weapons.
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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:43 pm

Berdanvia wrote:The USA and Canada will never go to war cause there both part of NATO, and Canada should probs have nuclear weapons because of Russia.


It's exactly because we are BOTH part of NATO, that we don't NEED said weapons. And because of Russia? Hmm. Nah.
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aboot that, what drugs are you on eh?


Read more of the OP's posts. Whatever they are, they're powerful stuff.

Apparently, they're infected mushrooms. So no surprises there.
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Postby CTALNH » Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:22 am

The Scientific States wrote:That's a terrible idea. Not only does Canada not need them, the world should be committed to disarming, not stocking up on more nuclear weapons.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:28 am

The Scientific States wrote:That's a terrible idea. Not only does Canada not need them, the world should be committed to disarming, not stocking up on more nuclear weapons.

Nuclear arms are a huge deterrent to conventional warfare.
It's probably the only reason Russia hasn't outright invaded Ukraine.
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Postby Socialist Xlyvania » Thu Jul 24, 2014 3:19 pm

Canada? Nuclear Weapons?

For what? Use them in a war? If there was a nuclear war, there would be no winner.
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Postby Dracoria » Thu Jul 24, 2014 3:24 pm

Socialist Xlyvania wrote:Canada? Nuclear Weapons?

For what? Use them in a war? If there was a nuclear war, there would be no winner.


True, but it's clear not everyone has watched WarGames.
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I dare say that the US only learned its lesson because they were unable to achieve their objective, otherwise we'd be saluting the stars and stripes up here at this point.

After the Oregon Boundary Dispute the US gave up all claims to the North, so it's not exactly just because of 1812.


You could also say the UK. gave up any southern claims South of the 49 parallel.

Curious that the dispute was solved just before the US got involved in the War with Mexico. Could be that they rather not have a two front war.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:02 pm

Socialist Xlyvania wrote:Canada? Nuclear Weapons?

For what? Use them in a war? If there was a nuclear war, there would be no winner.


which is why its a deterence against invasion.

No one would invade Canada if Canada had nukes, because they would have no chance fo winning. They would be completely destroyed in retaliation.

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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:03 pm

My principle is the less nukes the better, and we should work on getting rid of the one we have now so that no one has 'em.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:04 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Socialist Xlyvania wrote:Canada? Nuclear Weapons?

For what? Use them in a war? If there was a nuclear war, there would be no winner.


which is why its a deterence against invasion.

No one would invade Canada if Canada had nukes, because they would have no chance fo winning. They would be completely destroyed in retaliation.


No one is going to invade Canada anyways.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:06 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
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which is why its a deterence against invasion.

No one would invade Canada if Canada had nukes, because they would have no chance fo winning. They would be completely destroyed in retaliation.


No one is going to invade Canada anyways.


it has a ton of natural resources. Elsewhere resources are running out...

Canada has a ton of land and resources, but too little manpower to defend it.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:08 pm

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No one is going to invade Canada anyways.


it has a ton of natural resources. Elsewhere resources are running out...

Canada has a ton of land and resources, but too little manpower to defend it.


And a handful of nukes won't scare someone off. There are ways to destroy ICBM's nowadays, and if it was the US that wanted to invade Canada nukes wouldn't help given all of Canada's population centers are on the border.
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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:08 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
No one is going to invade Canada anyways.


it has a ton of natural resources. Elsewhere resources are running out...

Canada has a ton of land and resources, but too little manpower to defend it.


Canada is not going to get conquered by any one, the US isn't, because that would basically be pissing off everyone for meager gains, no other nation has the capacity to fight against Canada, and, naturally, the US, at the same time, and there is no pressing desire to.

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Postby Dracoria » Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:08 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
No one is going to invade Canada anyways.


it has a ton of natural resources. Elsewhere resources are running out...

Canada has a ton of land and resources, but too little manpower to defend it.


The US is not likely to allow someone to invade its adorable hat.
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