Canada Should Get Nuclear Weapons

[Farnhamia]

1) People are still using the "for oil" argument? Seriously? I thought they would've stopped after, you know, we didn't get any oil out of the place. Our gas prices certainly haven't gone down. Sorry, son, Iraq was about crushing a brutal dictatorship and removing a threat to ourselves and the world. We wouldn't spend a trillion dollars for some oil.

No to mention my home province of Alberta has been subsidising the hell out of the tar sands oil so that California will buy it. So we pay almost $5/gallon.

California pays over $4 a gallon.

[Wind in the Willows]

I think they already have them, but if they dont, they should.

[Farnhamia]

I think they already have them, but if they dont, they should.

They did up to 1984. Not now and why would they need them?

[Gaiserin]

Sure, why not?

Though in Canada's case, I sorta fail to see as to for what purpose they'd need nuclear weapons for.

[Wind in the Willows]

I think they already have them, but if they dont, they should.

They did up to 1984. Not now and why would they need them?

As a deterrent to invaders.

[Farnhamia]

They did up to 1984. Not now and why would they need them?

As a deterrent to invaders.

Right.

[Spoder]

They did up to 1984. Not now and why would they need them?

As a deterrent to invaders.

Because Interplay Entertainment could see into the future.

[Bulgar Rouge]

Good points by OP, but I don't think they would have sufficient weight to serve as an excuse for a military nuclear weapons programme. Besides, Canada has no chance in nuclear warfare against the US unless its stockpile becomes sufficiently survivable, which means a relatively large number of stockpiles, nuclear submarines and excellent infrastructure for quick deployment. All that will cost far too much.

[Andarro]

Why would the U.S. invade an ally?

LOL hey guys, take a chill pill we do not want to take your maple syrup from you.

Last I checked we Americans consider an act of war or aggression against Canada the same as an act of war or aggression against the USA.

I support Canada if they wish to procure their own nuclear weapons, but my motivate for this is that it would be mutually beneficial for both US and Canada.

[Apparatchikstan]

I think it'd be nicer twist if Canada were to employ an SDI platform instead.
More beneficial for the continent as a whole I'm sure.

[Murray land]

Seeing as Nukes have only been used one time... by America almost seventy odd years ago, I'm going out on a limb here but if no country has used them since (some pretty wacky countries have them) pretty safe to say they wont be used again for a very long time. As for our neigbors to the north having them. Who the hell would you people use them against?! No one is "setting their sights on Canada". Despite the OP's claims.

[Imperializt Russia]

Why would the U.S. invade an ally?

I'd like to tell you a story about a country called Iraq...

[Lancaster of Wessex]

Good points by OP, but I don't think they would have sufficient weight to serve as an excuse for a military nuclear weapons programme. Besides, Canada has no chance in nuclear warfare against the US unless its stockpile becomes sufficiently survivable, which means a relatively large number of stockpiles, nuclear submarines and excellent infrastructure for quick deployment. All that will cost far too much.

Really? I thought the op had zero (0) "good points" whatsoever, they're all ludicrous.

[Rephesus]

Seeing as Nukes have only been used one time... by America almost seventy odd years ago, I'm going out on a limb here but if no country has used them since (some pretty wacky countries have them) pretty safe to say they wont be used again for a very long time. As for our neigbors to the north having them. Who the hell would you people use them against?! No one is "setting their sights on Canada". Despite the OP's claims.

Well, there've been countless tests, but yes HiroNag was the only time it was used in War.

[Bulgar Rouge]

Good points by OP, but I don't think they would have sufficient weight to serve as an excuse for a military nuclear weapons programme. Besides, Canada has no chance in nuclear warfare against the US unless its stockpile becomes sufficiently survivable, which means a relatively large number of stockpiles, nuclear submarines and excellent infrastructure for quick deployment. All that will cost far too much.

Really? I thought the op had zero (0) "good points" whatsoever, they're all ludicrous.

Nobody expected the Soviet Union to collapse - why couldn't it happen to the United States ? Maybe not now, but it could, eventually. But I disagree with the notion that the States could invade just like that. A much more likely scenario is Canada turning away from NATO and the US for some reason.

[Murray land]

Why would the U.S. invade an ally?

I'd like to tell you a story about a country called Iraq...

A lovely place formed after the treaty if Versailles that joined together three peoples who despise each other. It would become a totally depraved tin can dictatorship ran my a lunatic who decided to piss off the world to only get invaded and beaten twice. Since then this poor country has been ripping itself apart. The only relatively safe place is Kurdistan in the north thanks to the Peshmerga. The current government in Baghdad is inept and corrupt. It also isn't fair to call them a "U.S. ally" when we invaded either time.

[Lancaster of Wessex]

Really? I thought the op had zero (0) "good points" whatsoever, they're all ludicrous.

Nobody expected the Soviet Union to collapse - why couldn't it happen to the United States ? Maybe not now, but it could, eventually. But I disagree with the notion that the States could invade just like that. A much more likely scenario is Canada turning away from NATO and the US for some reason.

The Soviet Union had been in shambles for a long time during its era of stagnation, and predictions for its demise went back for ages, until it finally began to unravel, so I dispute that comparison.

And, Canada will never turn away from NATO/the US, we'd be committing economic suicide if we did that.

[Andarro]

Why would the U.S. invade an ally?

I'd like to tell you a story about a country called Iraq...

I recall no time that Iraq was an ally...ever.

The USA aided Iraq during the Iran/Iraq war, but saying they were an ally is a big stretch.

[United States of Cascadia]

The United States will never invade Canada.

The US has invaded Canada once before.

200 years ago. The US learned it's lesson and is quite friendly with it's northern neighbor now.

[Imperializt Russia]

I'd like to tell you a story about a country called Iraq...

A lovely place formed after the treaty if Versailles that joined together three peoples who despise each other. It would become a totally depraved tin can dictatorship ran my a lunatic who decided to piss off the world to only get invaded and beaten twice. Since then this poor country has been ripping itself apart. The only relatively safe place is Kurdistan in the north thanks to the Peshmerga. The current government in Baghdad is inept and corrupt. It also isn't fair to call them a "U.S. ally" when we invaded either time.

It was a US "ally" when it was fighting Iran, chemical shelling its children and ethnically cleansing the Kurds.
We supported them in doing this because Iran was no longer the west's ally, because of a revolution that occurred in response a regime change by the Americans to suit the business interests of the British, because the former ally government of Iran had nationalised the British oil industry in Iran.

[Lancaster of Wessex]

The US has invaded Canada once before.

200 years ago. The US learned it's lesson and is quite friendly with it's northern neighbor now.

I dare say that the US only learned its lesson because they were unable to achieve their objective, otherwise we'd be saluting the stars and stripes up here at this point.

[Murray land]

A lovely place formed after the treaty if Versailles that joined together three peoples who despise each other. It would become a totally depraved tin can dictatorship ran my a lunatic who decided to piss off the world to only get invaded and beaten twice. Since then this poor country has been ripping itself apart. The only relatively safe place is Kurdistan in the north thanks to the Peshmerga. The current government in Baghdad is inept and corrupt. It also isn't fair to call them a "U.S. ally" when we invaded either time.

It was a US "ally" when it was fighting Iran, chemical shelling its children and ethnically cleansing the Kurds.
We supported them in doing this because Iran was no longer the west's ally, because of a revolution that occurred in response a regime change by the Americans to suit the business interests of the British, because the former ally government of Iran had nationalised the British oil industry in Iran.

Stop arguing semantics. We were their ally in name only just so we could stick it to Iran. An ally would be a country like oh idk Canada or the U.K.

[Arkandros]

Canada doesn't really need nuclear weapons. They are a NATO member country, and (if desired) could join in NATO nuclear sharing. In fact, they were involved in nuclear sharing up until 1984, and subsequently backed out. That said, Canada has relatively strong ties to a number of nuclear (and NATO) nations, including the US and the UK, so the probability of a NATO-sanctioned invasion of Canada (which is the only way a nuclear country would NOT come to the aid of Canada) is minuscule.

[United States of Cascadia]

200 years ago. The US learned it's lesson and is quite friendly with it's northern neighbor now.

I dare say that the US only learned its lesson because they were unable to achieve their objective, otherwise we'd be saluting the stars and stripes up here at this point.

After the Oregon Boundary Dispute the US gave up all claims to the North, so it's not exactly just because of 1812.

[Farnhamia]

I dare say that the US only learned its lesson because they were unable to achieve their objective, otherwise we'd be saluting the stars and stripes up here at this point.

After the Oregon Boundary Dispute the US gave up all claims to the North, so it's not exactly just because of 1812.

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