Canada Should Get Nuclear Weapons

[Ifreann]

A device that kills thousands of people in the blink of an eye and millions, painfully over the course of a few years can, in the wrong hands, be evil indeed.

"I am become death, the destroyer of worlds."

Do you have a point?

[Antarticaria]

A device that kills thousands of people in the blink of an eye and millions, painfully over the course of a few years can, in the wrong hands, be evil indeed.

It's literally just a bigger bomb.

Nuclear weapons deserve and require respect and safeguarding.
But they are not deserving of a lot of the boogeymanning they receive.

This is not to say that I wish nuclear assault upon anyone - in broadly the same reasoning I do not wish conventional or chemical shelling upon anyone.
These systems hold their place as tools of warfare, however.

I Concur and like all tools of the trade in the wrong hands something can go wrong, one does not blame a hammer for smashing ones own thumb.

[Antarticaria]

"I am become death, the destroyer of worlds."

Do you have a point?

The point is in the quote itself the quote was over the invention of the Atomic Bomb from Oppenheimer (Correct My spelling of his name if I am incorrect) .

[Organized States]

As I'm sure it has been stated multiple times before, Canada has no need, nor can they build nuclear weapons under international law (due to Canada's signing of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty). Canada is currently under the nuclear umbrella of the United States, and I'm sure there is no reason for the US and Canada to go to war (the two nations have some of the world's best diplomatic and military relations).

Nuclear Deterrent is not something Canada needs.

[Imperializt Russia]

A device that kills thousands of people in the blink of an eye and millions, painfully over the course of a few years can, in the wrong hands, be evil indeed.

"I am become death, the destroyer of worlds."

The full quote is quite important.

"We knew the world would not be the same, a few people laughed, a few people cried. Most were silent. I remember the Hindu scripture... where the God is trying to convince the Indian prince to do his duty. To impress him, he takes on a multi-armed form and says 'now I am become death, the destroyer of worlds'. I guess we all thought that, one way or another."

[Antarticaria]

"I am become death, the destroyer of worlds."

The full quote is quite important.

"We knew the world would not be the same, a few people laughed, a few people cried. Most were silent. I remember the Hindu scripture... where the God is trying to convince the Indian prince to do his duty. To impress him, he takes on a multi-armed form and says 'now I am become death, the destroyer of worlds'. I guess we all thought that, one way or another."

Apologies.

[Ifreann]

Do you have a point?

The point is in the quote itself the quote was over the invention of the Atomic Bomb from Oppenheimer (Correct My spelling of his name if I am incorrect) .

Yes, Oppenheimer said that about the detonation of the first atomic bomb. What are you getting at by quoting him quoting the Bhagavad Gita?

[CTALNH]

the first sentence doesn't make any sense.

If you have nukes, by definition you become more powerful (you can now devastate entire cities with ease).

If you have nukes, that has no bearing on the intelligence of your citizens (they would not ''become more stupid'').

Also... Quebec likes peace, fine. Nukes are not about starting wars, they're about security. Canada is more secure with them, Quebec is more secure with them.

It's the opposite. Canada and Québec would be more secure if no one had nukes and someone needs to lead by example. Yes having nukes doesn't affect the intelligence of the people, but having them is stupid.

Lies! Nukes for everyone!

[Andzhalswoodosia]

NO! NEVER THERE IS NO WAY CANADA IS GETTING NUKES!!!! IT"S NEVER HAPPENING!!! THE USA WOULD NEVER ALLOW IT!!!! EVER!!!

No need to shout.

USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! (Sorry, I'm a die-hard American)

[Imperializt Russia]

The full quote is quite important.

"We knew the world would not be the same, a few people laughed, a few people cried. Most were silent. I remember the Hindu scripture... where the God is trying to convince the Indian prince to do his duty. To impress him, he takes on a multi-armed form and says 'now I am become death, the destroyer of worlds'. I guess we all thought that, one way or another."

Apologies.

Oppenheimer is reputed to have made a number of quotes from Hindu scripture, many of them - this one especially, when considered in full, can be interpreted as him justifying his work.
Oppenheimer publicly made comments of disappointment that the bomb had not been ready to use against the Nazis, but opposition was almost universal to the Nagasaki bomb following the Hiroshima bomb.

Many of the Manhattan Project scientists regarded the bomb as a wartime necessity, to build and be ready before the Germans or the Japanese could do likewise.
Hence why, after the war, many of them immediately campaigned against nuclear proliferation.

[CTALNH]

No need to shout.

USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! (Sorry, I'm a die-hard American)

And nobody gives a fuck.

[Orvius]

Anyone else thinking of Fallout right now?

"Our dedicated boys keep peace in newly annexed Canada."

[Antarticaria]

The point is in the quote itself the quote was over the invention of the Atomic Bomb from Oppenheimer (Correct My spelling of his name if I am incorrect) .

Yes, Oppenheimer said that about the detonation of the first atomic bomb. What are you getting at by quoting him quoting the Bhagavad Gita?

Ok the problem is that Like any tool it needs to be handled with care and only used when needed. This weapon in question is deadly and a can eliminate a large quantity of human beings and turn them to ash. Its a tool requiring responsibility not to mention one that is banned due to its ability to not only eliminate large amounts of people but to cause more nukes to be launched and in turn kill more people. The world should be storing their nukes they have not making more and especially not prepping them for instantaneous launch the last thing we need is to enter a very tense 'second cold war' and put the world that close to the brink of mass nuclear destruction.

[SuperFruitland]

The US will never declare war on Canada, as Canada is the US's number one trading partner. Canada goes, so does some of the income of the US.

[Eastern Denmark]

Yeah, for some reason I feel it's different to invade an unstable middle eastern country then it is to invade a trading partner and ally, who also has friends worldwide that would be more than annoyed by an invasion.

But as far as getting some nucleus weapons, they might as well. The U.S. won't be invading them, but it might be a good idea to have weapons of mass destruction.

[Organized States]

Yeah, for some reason I feel it's different to invade an unstable middle eastern country then it is to invade a trading partner and ally, who also has friends worldwide that would be more than annoyed by an invasion.

But as far as getting some nucleus weapons, they might as well. The U.S. won't be invading them, but it might be a good idea to have weapons of mass destruction.

If Canada wants a deterrent, they should get back into NATO's Nuclear Weapons sharing program.

[Murkwood]

Okay kids, let's have some fun, shall we?

I think that Canada should get nuclear weapons.

Things look like they're pretty crazy down in the US border and some day, the USA might suddenly decide to invade and annex Canada (they've shown their willingness to invade somewhere as far away as Iraq for oil).

There is no real benefit for the US to turn on an ally like that. Also, we didn't invade Iraq for oil. We did it to stop WMDs and topple Saddam Hussein.

After all, Canada is sitting on top of extremely resource rich land. It has massive reserves of oil, natural gas, and mineral resources. Should the US or another country turn imperial one day, Canada would be a logical target. Its a massive country with a ton of natural resources (and tons of untapped resources in the Canadian North), yet it only has around 34 million people (less people than the tiny island country of the UK), almost all located in easily targetted cities close to the US border. I am NOT exaggerating when I say if the USA wanted to, it could invade and take all of Canada's major cities in a few weeks.

You are getting this information from...what? Your vast knowledge of playing Civ? The geopolitical ramifications would be insane. Yes, there is a 0.0000000000001% chance that the USA could attack Canada. But to plan for something so silly and unlikely is stupid.

Canada isn't safe. It relies too much on the USA, if the USA turns against it or if the USA is unwilling to defend Canada when Canada gets attacked, it is doomed. Canada must get nuclear weapons. Then no one would dare invade it no matter the profits because Canada could retaliate with a nuclear strike. I'm surprised that Canada doesn't have nuclear weapons. France, the UK, China, and Russia all have them so why not Canada?

You want to know why? It's because Canada isn't a global power. Sorry, it's true. While I admire Mr. Harper, Canada only seems to care about domestic issues. Plus, who says we wouldn't help defend Canada? You were just talking about how important their resources are!

It's time for Canada to get nukes to ensure it is secure. It's time for Canada to join the world's elite and prestigious club of nations, a club whose individual members have the capability to destroy entire cities and forests with the click of a button. It's time for Canada to get some of that glory and power. Now is the time to do it, when war is looming, it will be too late.

Newsflash: Canada, and the free world, are already in that club. It's called NATO. NATO is a collective security agency, so if anyone attacks Canada, they will have the whole Western World on them like a ton of bricks. As long as it's in NATO, Canada will not need nukes.

[The Merchant Republics]

If Canada gets nuclear weapons, it will be another good reason for Québec to separate. And by the way Stephen Harper eats in US hands, US don't have to invade them.

why would Quebec seperate if Canada becomes more powerful?

Because, presumably all the sense left in Canada would congeal there.


This is a terribly unneeded plan. The USA may not be what it once was in terms of stability, but they're not going to invade Canada and we certainly don't need to develop nuclear weapons to prevent that. There are perhaps no two countries in the world that are as mutually codependent on one another. True we are certainly more dependent on the USA than they us, but the fact is that we are one of America's biggest trading partner and provide a massive amount of their raw materials and manufactured goods.

If whatever crazed god devised this world of yours deigned that a US invasion happened anyways, we may just as easily rely on our allies in NATO, who would naturally side with us in a unilateral US strike, and crucially are also armed with nuclear weapons. Canada's defensive capacity further is not so weak as to make nuclear weapons our only option. It would be an utter waste of money.

Lastly and most importantly. 90% of the Canadian population lives along the US border, developing nuclear weapons to threaten the United States would ultimately be futile because the USA well knows that using nuclear weapons on the USA besides being MAD, would also be shooting ourselves in the foot. Even if by some miracle we struck first and the US was incapable of firing back (which is the height of ridiculousness) nuclear fallout would affect almost all of the Canadian population just by proximity.

[Rehansu Tir]

I think that Canada should get nuclear weapons.

Things look like they're pretty crazy down in the US border and some day, the USA might suddenly decide to invade and annex Canada (they've shown their willingness to invade somewhere as far away as Iraq for oil).

After all, Canada is sitting on top of extremely resource rich land. It has massive reserves of oil, natural gas, and mineral resources. Should the US or another country turn imperial one day, Canada would be a logical target. Its a massive country with a ton of natural resources (and tons of untapped resources in the Canadian North), yet it only has around 34 million people (less people than the tiny island country of the UK), almost all located in easily targetted cities close to the US border. I am NOT exaggerating when I say if the USA wanted to, it could invade and take all of Canada's major cities in a few weeks.

Canada isn't safe. It relies too much on the USA, if the USA turns against it or if the USA is unwilling to defend Canada when Canada gets attacked, it is doomed. Canada must get nuclear weapons. Then no one would dare invade it no matter the profits because Canada could retaliate with a nuclear strike. I'm surprised that Canada doesn't have nuclear weapons. France, the UK, China, and Russia all have them so why not Canada?

It's time for Canada to get nukes to ensure it is secure. It's time for Canada to join the world's elite and prestigious club of nations, a club whose individual members have the capability to destroy entire cities and forests with the click of a button. It's time for Canada to get some of that glory and power. Now is the time to do it, when war is looming, it will be too late.

What do you think NSG? Is it time for Canada to go nuclear?

Well, you're right that if anyone is going to invade canada, it's going to be the US. We're not really in any danger from china or russia or any other country except the one we share a border with, that also happens to have the largest, most powerful military in the world, which also happens to have the idea that canada already belongs to them anyway. If they ever want something we have and we say no, they're gonna just come in and take it.

[Imperializt Russia]

I think that Canada should get nuclear weapons.

Things look like they're pretty crazy down in the US border and some day, the USA might suddenly decide to invade and annex Canada (they've shown their willingness to invade somewhere as far away as Iraq for oil).

After all, Canada is sitting on top of extremely resource rich land. It has massive reserves of oil, natural gas, and mineral resources. Should the US or another country turn imperial one day, Canada would be a logical target. Its a massive country with a ton of natural resources (and tons of untapped resources in the Canadian North), yet it only has around 34 million people (less people than the tiny island country of the UK), almost all located in easily targetted cities close to the US border. I am NOT exaggerating when I say if the USA wanted to, it could invade and take all of Canada's major cities in a few weeks.

Canada isn't safe. It relies too much on the USA, if the USA turns against it or if the USA is unwilling to defend Canada when Canada gets attacked, it is doomed. Canada must get nuclear weapons. Then no one would dare invade it no matter the profits because Canada could retaliate with a nuclear strike. I'm surprised that Canada doesn't have nuclear weapons. France, the UK, China, and Russia all have them so why not Canada?

It's time for Canada to get nukes to ensure it is secure. It's time for Canada to join the world's elite and prestigious club of nations, a club whose individual members have the capability to destroy entire cities and forests with the click of a button. It's time for Canada to get some of that glory and power. Now is the time to do it, when war is looming, it will be too late.

What do you think NSG? Is it time for Canada to go nuclear?

Well, you're right that if anyone is going to invade canada, it's going to be the US. We're not really in any danger from china or russia or any other country except the one we share a border with, that also happens to have the largest, most powerful military in the world, which also happens to have the idea that canada already belongs to them anyway. If they ever want something we have and we say no, they're gonna just come in and take it.

They've not gone and seized your CANDU reactors yet, so clearly not.

[Rehansu Tir]

Well, you're right that if anyone is going to invade canada, it's going to be the US. We're not really in any danger from china or russia or any other country except the one we share a border with, that also happens to have the largest, most powerful military in the world, which also happens to have the idea that canada already belongs to them anyway. If they ever want something we have and we say no, they're gonna just come in and take it.

They've not gone and seized your CANDU reactors yet, so clearly not.[/quote]

That's because we'll sell them to anyone who wants them. We even offered to sell them to Iran when they started their nuclear energy program, but they decided they didn't like it - probably because it couldn't be used to create nuclear material for weapons.

But what happens when the US, in the grip of a 10 year drought already and expected to get worse in years to come, comes demanding access to canadian freshwater and we say no? Hello to our new american overlords.

[Imperializt Russia]

Of course CANDU is nuclear capable. It's a huge proliferation risk. They're attractive because they produce tritium and plutonium, and can do so from natural uranium, removing the immediate need for a uranium enrichment plant and the huge energy and cost requirements that poses, proliferation risks on top.

[Othelos]

I think that Canada should get nuclear weapons.

Things look like they're pretty crazy down in the US border and some day, the USA might suddenly decide to invade and annex Canada (they've shown their willingness to invade somewhere as far away as Iraq for oil).

Yeah, except we're in a military alliance with Canada, and we've been friends and neighbors for hundreds of years. Not going to happen, ever.

After all, Canada is sitting on top of extremely resource rich land. It has massive reserves of oil, natural gas, and mineral resources. Should the US or another country turn imperial one day, Canada would be a logical target. Its a massive country with a ton of natural resources (and tons of untapped resources in the Canadian North), yet it only has around 34 million people (less people than the tiny island country of the UK), almost all located in easily targetted cities close to the US border. I am NOT exaggerating when I say if the USA wanted to, it could invade and take all of Canada's major cities in a few weeks.

Canada isn't safe. It relies too much on the USA, if the USA turns against it or if the USA is unwilling to defend Canada when Canada gets attacked, it is doomed. Canada must get nuclear weapons. Then no one would dare invade it no matter the profits because Canada could retaliate with a nuclear strike. I'm surprised that Canada doesn't have nuclear weapons. France, the UK, China, and Russia all have them so why not Canada?

It's time for Canada to get nukes to ensure it is secure. It's time for Canada to join the world's elite and prestigious club of nations, a club whose individual members have the capability to destroy entire cities and forests with the click of a button. It's time for Canada to get some of that glory and power. Now is the time to do it, when war is looming, it will be too late.

What do you think NSG? Is it time for Canada to go nuclear?

I think that Canada should have its own nuclear weapons, but not because of defense against the US. The US isn't going to attack canada.

[United States Kingdom]

When the USA has economic problems then we can be able to have nuclear weapons and I am talking about economic problems like the British economic problems that happened after World War II.

[Risottia]

If Canada gets nuclear weapons, it will be another good reason for Québec to separate. And by the way Stephen Harper eats in US hands, US don't have to invade them.

why would Quebec seperate if Canada becomes more powerful?

Because the RCMPw/nukes refused to implement dual-language labelling on the launch buttons.