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Postby Urran » Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:18 am

I agree that every nation has a right to defend itself, but nukes, nukes are something else. They don't just kill soldiers, the destroy whole cities of civilians. I can't see the use of such a horrible thing.
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Postby Sklavinia » Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:18 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:I think that Canada should get nuclear weapons.

Things look like they're pretty crazy down in the US border and some day, the USA might suddenly decide to invade and annex Canada (they've shown their willingness to invade somewhere as far away as Iraq for oil).

After all, Canada is sitting on top of extremely resource rich land. It has massive reserves of oil, natural gas, and mineral resources. Should the US or another country turn imperial one day, Canada would be a logical target. Its a massive country with a ton of natural resources (and tons of untapped resources in the Canadian North), yet it only has around 34 million people (less people than the tiny island country of the UK), almost all located in easily targetted cities close to the US border. I am NOT exaggerating when I say if the USA wanted to, it could invade and take all of Canada's major cities in a few weeks.

Canada isn't safe. It relies too much on the USA, if the USA turns against it or if the USA is unwilling to defend Canada when Canada gets attacked, it is doomed. Canada must get nuclear weapons. Then no one would dare invade it no matter the profits because Canada could retaliate with a nuclear strike. I'm surprised that Canada doesn't have nuclear weapons. France, the UK, China, and Russia all have them so why not Canada?

It's time for Canada to get nukes to ensure it is secure. It's time for Canada to join the world's elite and prestigious club of nations, a club whose individual members have the capability to destroy entire cities and forests with the click of a button. It's time for Canada to get some of that glory and power. Now is the time to do it, when war is looming, it will be too late.

What do you think NSG? Is it time for Canada to go nuclear?


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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:22 am

Margno wrote:The United States will never invade Canada. Besides , having nuclear weapons doesn't mean no one will ever dare attack you. Israel has nuclear weapons, and it's at war.

Israel's yet to get to that point where it's believed they'll use those weapons.

They were mobilised in Yom Kippur, when it looked like Israeli positions were about to be overrun.
But it didn't happen.

Nuclear arms do prevent escalation and this can clearly be seen. Somehow, the USSR and NATO decided against the seemingly-inevitable war of annihilation the two groups at loggerheads seemed sure to provoke. This is largely down to the threat of overwhelming strategic nuclear exchange.
It's why likely Russia hasn't outright invaded Ukraine, and it is also why NATO didn't intervene when Czechoslovakia was invaded by the Soviet Union in the 1980s.
NATO, specifically the US, has also used nuclear weapon deployments to force the USSR to back down in the Middle East and also over Vietnam. Additionally, the USSR sent nuclear IRBMs to Cuba to reciprocate the positioning of Jupiter-class IRBMs in Turkey by the US. The Cuban missile crisis was resolved when both sides agreed to remove IRBMs from such provocative locations.

Both sides were so scared of the other's limited-strategic and long-range tactical nuclear arms that the USSR and the US agreed to the Intermediate Nuclear Forces treaty, which led to the abolition and decommissioning of hundreds of nuclear arms such as the BGM-109G Gryphon nuclear cruise missile and the SS-23 Spider ballistic missile launcher. China was notably not a part of this treaty and has merrily been deploying and developing weapon systems that would otherwise fall foul of the INF.
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Postby Greater-London » Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:23 am

I wouldn't lay awake at night worrying if Canada had nuclear weapons; the question is do they really need them? The answer of course is no, they are members of NATO which already has 3 nuclear weapons states. It would serve no purpose and cost the Canadian tax payer billions of dollars a year.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:27 am

Greater-London wrote:I wouldn't lay awake at night worrying if Canada had nuclear weapons; the question is do they really need them? The answer of course is no, they are members of NATO which already has 3 nuclear weapons states. It would serve no purpose and cost the Canadian tax payer billions of dollars a year.

Canada is, however, one of the few western states that has an infrastructure capable of nuclear weapons manufacture - the CANDU reactor design produces both tritium and plutonium as byproducts. Tritium has additional applications, in that it decays into Helium-3, which is a highly useful material in radiation monitoring. So much so, that post-9/11, the DHS bought up basically all the remaining He-3, which only existed in large quantity in the US from joint decommissioning programmes.
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Postby Greater-London » Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:32 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:Canada is, however, one of the few western states that has an infrastructure capable of nuclear weapons manufacture - the CANDU reactor design produces both tritium and plutonium as byproducts. Tritium has additional applications, in that it decays into Helium-3, which is a highly useful material in radiation monitoring. So much so, that post-9/11, the DHS bought up basically all the remaining He-3, which only existed in large quantity in the US from joint decommissioning programmes.


All very interesting. However even though Canada has the ability to build nuclear weapons what motivation do they have? After all they are surrounded by allies and are members of a military alliance that has 3 of the top 6 military spenders. I suppose there would be benefits for Canadian arms manufactures but surely they could build them and sell them to the Americans? or at least sell the components to make them.
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Postby Saiwania » Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:37 am

Having nukes wouldn't make Canada any safer from the US military if it really did want to invade, but if it makes you feel any better; the US gave up any aspirations of a northern conquest after 1812 and when the Oregon boundary dispute was settled in 1844.

It is a bad idea because while the two countries are superficially similar, one broke off from British rule while the other remained loyalist. The US isn't interested in governing a people that still want to follow the British customs. The idea back in 1812 was to kick the British completely out of North America, but since that didn't pan out- the interest is no longer there.

The situation has drastically changed since then, and it has been long enough for that ship to sail. I'm fairly certain that if the US won a war against Canada now, that the US wouldn't want to annex any of Canada's land.
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Postby Aeyariss » Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:39 am

A nuclear Canada isn't exactly a good strategic goal for the world. I support NPT.

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Postby Hallowell » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:03 am

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Benian Republic wrote:Ireland needs a nuke more than canada


Ireland should consider it too.

And then you'll have two countries who hate each other (Ireland dislikes Britain more than Britain dislikes Ireland, though) staring each other down across the Irish Sea, but this time with nuclear weapons!
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:15 am

Canada don't want nukes they're too expensive. However I'm sure they could reach an agreement on shared payment with the UK, maybe with some Canadian officers serving on the subs. Say 40%? 20% if they find two other countries willing to contribute for similar privileges, an assured nuclear deterrent. Australia and new Zealand would be a good place to start.
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Postby Greater-London » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:16 am

Hallowell wrote:And then you'll have two countries who hate each other (Ireland dislikes Britain more than Britain dislikes Ireland, though) staring each other down across the Irish Sea, but this time with nuclear weapons!


Not really Anglo - Irish relations on a political level at least are actually quite good. The two states cooperate with one and other despite historical grievances and are important partners in both trade and in the EU. The idea of the UK and the Irish Republic going to war is laughable.
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Postby Hallowell » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:19 am

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Hallowell wrote:And then you'll have two countries who hate each other (Ireland dislikes Britain more than Britain dislikes Ireland, though) staring each other down across the Irish Sea, but this time with nuclear weapons!


Not really Anglo - Irish relations on a political level at least are actually quite good. The two states cooperate with one and other despite historical grievances and are important partners in both trade and in the EU. The idea of the UK and the Irish Republic going to war is laughable.

If Sinn Fein ever (it probably won't) becomes elected, then that idea suddenly becomes a whole lot more realistic.
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Postby Greater-London » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:25 am

Hallowell wrote:If Sinn Fein ever (it probably won't) becomes elected, then that idea suddenly becomes a whole lot more realistic.


No it doesn't. Its still complete fantasy that the UK and the Republic of Ireland will go to war with each other unless the world changed DRASTICALLY; That is more drastically than a Sinn Féin majority in the Irish Parliament. There wont be a war, and certainly not a nuclear war anytime soon between the UK and Ireland we simply get on too well.
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Postby Hanaishia » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:28 am

Margno wrote:The United States will never invade Canada. Besides , having nuclear weapons doesn't mean no one will ever dare attack you. Israel has nuclear weapons, and it's at war.


Actually until 9/11 that was our governments number one concern was with an American invasion

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Postby Greater-London » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:29 am

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Actually until 9/11 that was our governments number one concern was with an American invasion


Presumably because the Canadians had very little to worry about when it came to deffence.
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Postby Allet Klar Chefs » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:33 am

Hallowell wrote:If Sinn Fein ever (it probably won't) becomes elected, then that idea suddenly becomes a whole lot more realistic.

No.

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Postby Hanaishia » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:33 am

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Postby Rhine-East Berlin » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:34 am

I am confused. Canada already has nuclear weapons.

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:34 am

Benian Republic wrote:Ireland needs a nuke more than canada WAY MORE THAN CANADA

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Postby Gigaverse » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:37 am

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Postby Lindenholt » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:39 am

Instead of Canada I think South Korea or Japan should get some nukes

The majority of Koreans think that if North Korea has them the south should have them too

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Postby Gigaverse » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:39 am

Lindenholt wrote:Instead of Canada I think South Korea or Japan should get some nukes

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Postby Andzhalswoodosia » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:41 am

NO! NEVER THERE IS NO WAY CANADA IS GETTING NUKES!!!! IT"S NEVER HAPPENING!!! THE USA WOULD NEVER ALLOW IT!!!! EVER!!!
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Postby Wind in the Willows » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:42 am

Almost everyone should, with the exception of North Korea.

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Postby New Aerios » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:43 am

Andzhalswoodosia wrote:NO! NEVER THERE IS NO WAY CANADA IS GETTING NUKES!!!! IT"S NEVER HAPPENING!!! THE USA WOULD NEVER ALLOW IT!!!! EVER!!!


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