Are you Pro Palestine or Israel

[Rehansu Tir]

lol do you remember when israel said they totally had evidence hamas was responsible for the kidnappings before they arrested hundreds of people and demolished their homes and basically started the recent mess and um sure we'll release the evidence give us a little bit then they never showed the evidence and have slowly but surely shut up about claiming hamas was responsible and started ranting about TERROR TUNNELS, TUNNELS OF TERROR

I remember when hamas accused israel of killing a palestinian boy, except it turns out that it was actually hamas that did it.

"Son Of BBC Reporter Jihad Al Masharawi Likely Killed By Palestinian Rocket In Gaza, Not Israeli Airstrike, UN Report Says"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/1 ... f=gaza-war

Not that that matters, since the palestinian still blame israel for the death: "The Gaza-based Palestinian Center for Human Rights said it still held Israel responsible for Omar's death."

Because even if they didn't do it, they did it.

[Rehansu Tir]

someone asked an interesting question: how would israel have dealt with the cuban missile crisis?

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yeah we'd all dead

See, the issue here is that in this analogy, israel is in the cuba role. Israel is the one faced by a vastly overpowering neighbour who is threatening them (the arab states, including the palestinians), just as cuba was threatened by the US. Another similar analogy would by taiwan and china - a small state threatened by a larger, stronger neighbour.

But I know, I know - you only support the underdog when they're not jews. Or do you think that the cubans and taiwanese also don't have a right to defend themselves and their citizens?

[The Rich Port]

lol do you remember when israel said they totally had evidence hamas was responsible for the kidnappings before they arrested hundreds of people and demolished their homes and basically started the recent mess and um sure we'll release the evidence give us a little bit then they never showed the evidence and have slowly but surely shut up about claiming hamas was responsible and started ranting about TERROR TUNNELS, TUNNELS OF TERROR

I remember when hamas accused israel of killing a palestinian boy, except it turns out that it was actually hamas that did it.

"Son Of BBC Reporter Jihad Al Masharawi Likely Killed By Palestinian Rocket In Gaza, Not Israeli Airstrike, UN Report Says"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/1 ... f=gaza-war

Not that that matters, since the palestinian still blame israel for the death: "The Gaza-based Palestinian Center for Human Rights said it still held Israel responsible for Omar's death."

Because even if they didn't do it, they did it.

Which is why I find this flag waving bullshit between the "sides" so embarrassingly ignorant.

Both sides have committed atrocities. The situation is not clear. We're working with religious discrimination, if a lot of newbies' absolutely moronic comments haven't clued anybody in. There's no reason here, and what little left there is belongs in minorities that are beat down and shut up by the majority. Cooler, rational heads need to prevail here if we have any chance of things ever getting better.

[Alyakia]

someone asked an interesting question: how would israel have dealt with the cuban missile crisis?

...

yeah we'd all dead

See, the issue here is that in this analogy, israel is in the cuba role. Israel is the one faced by a vastly overpowering neighbour who is threatening them (the arab states, including the palestinians), just as cuba was threatened by the US. Another similar analogy would by taiwan and china - a small state threatened by a larger, stronger neighbour.

But I know, I know - you only support the underdog when they're not jews. Or do you think that the cubans and taiwanese also don't have a right to defend themselves and their citizens?

if you think that israel + the US are the underdogs then i am honestly not sure what i can say to you.

[Calimera II]

See, the issue here is that in this analogy, israel is in the cuba role. Israel is the one faced by a vastly overpowering neighbour who is threatening them (the arab states, including the palestinians), just as cuba was threatened by the US. Another similar analogy would by taiwan and china - a small state threatened by a larger, stronger neighbour.

But I know, I know - you only support the underdog when they're not jews. Or do you think that the cubans and taiwanese also don't have a right to defend themselves and their citizens?

if you think that israel + the US are the underdogs then i am honestly not sure what i can say to you.

Comparing the current situation in Israel with the Cuba crisis isn't that smart either, to be honest with you.

[Alyakia]

if you think that israel + the US are the underdogs then i am honestly not sure what i can say to you.

Comparing the current situation in Israel with the Cuba crisis isn't that smart either, to be honest with you.

it's any situation really

israel is to international politics as russia is to hostage situations (which i wouldn't be surprised if you defended anyway)

[Calimera II]

Comparing the current situation in Israel with the Cuba crisis isn't that smart either, to be honest with you.

it's any situation really

israel is to international politics as russia is to hostage situations (which i wouldn't be surprised if you defended anyway)

No it isn't. And those additional remarks you make aren't really needed because they are in 99,9% of the cases wrong.

[Slovenya]

pro palestin and pro hamas

[Calimera II]

pro palestin and pro hamas

And why do you support a terrorist group which has as only goal to destroy the state of Israel?

[Alyakia]

it's any situation really

israel is to international politics as russia is to hostage situations (which i wouldn't be surprised if you defended anyway)

No it isn't. And those additional remarks you make aren't really needed because they are in 99,9% of the cases wrong.

yes it is.

why? is it because they're russian? if they have hostages, kill all the hostages? that's how things are supposed to work, right?

[Rehansu Tir]

And remember one thing before you say that there's a war : Israel prohibits any country to give military help to the people of Palestine.

Umm, you do know that the US alone gives the palestinians hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid every year, right? It's just identified as funds for security purposes.

"From FY2008 to the present, annual regular-year U.S. bilateral assistance to the West Bank and
Gaza Strip has averaged around $500 million, including annual averages of approximately $200
million in direct budgetary assistance and $100 million in security assistance"
http://fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RS22967.pdf

Additionally, many other states, including the EU and arab states provide the palestinians with money for arms or directly provide them with arms.

"Here are the top ten donors, listed in U.S. dollars:
U.S.: $667 million
EU: $600 million
UNRWA: $476 million
Arab countries combined: $110 million
Norway: $108 million
Spain: $101 million
Germany $89 million
UK: $82 million
France: $77 million
Sweden $69 million
Total: Over $2.3 billion"
http://cifwatch.com/2011/10/05/guardian ... d-nothing/

http://www.globalhumanitarianassistance ... lestineopt

Now, see what has happened to all the countries you quoted : Transjordan is no more, Syria's actually under jewish fire, and Iraq has lost their head thanks to israel's dog : the United States Army...

Transjordan just changed its name to jordan; syria exists and even in a state of civil war finds time to fire weapons at israel, sometimes killing civilians.

"Syria Forces Attack Israel Civilians, Kill Teen"
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/754090- ... kill-teen/

"Israeli teen 'killed by Syria firing' in Golan Heights"
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-27963722

Now, ask yourself one thing : if suddenly a random country would send an army to help the palestinians defend themselves against Tsahal, how many days would last before the United States will officially engage for Israel ?

Well, if we look at past precedent, no matter how many countries attacked israel on behalf of the palestinians, the US would not attack or intervene militarily on israel's behalf.

1948: # of countries that attacked israel: 8
US intervention? NO

1967: # of countries that attacked israel: 13
US intervention? NO

1973: # of countries that attacked israel: 8
US intervention? NO

[Calimera II]

No it isn't. And those additional remarks you make aren't really needed because they are in 99,9% of the cases wrong.

yes it is.

why? is it because they're russian? if they have hostages, kill all the hostages? that's how things are supposed to work, right?

That's indeed how it works on Palestinian side.

[Alyakia]

"1967: # of countries that attacked israel: 13"

oh for

"1973: # of countries that attacked israel: 8"

sure we airlifted 100,000 tons of shit to them because we thought they might go nuclear (nuclear states are the real underdogs, you see) but it doesn't count really

That's indeed how it works on Palestinian side.

what about the israeli side? i mean sure the chechens took a lot of hostages, but when we murder of all them it's their fault not ours.

[Rehansu Tir]

I'm just going to leave this here

First thing you see written in the video : The New York Times.

Owner & Chairman : Arthur Ochs Sulzberger Jr.
Vice-President : Kenneth Richieri


Your argument is invalid.

Because anyone with even a drop of jewish blood can't be impartial or run an impartial business, unlike those with arab blood, who are all unbiased and tolerant of other peoples and ideas.

[Calimera II]

"1967: # of countries that attacked israel: 13"

oh for

"1973: # of countries that attacked israel: 8"

sure we airlifted 100,000 tons of shit to them because we thought they might go nuclear (nuclear states are the real underdogs, you see) but it doesn't count really

That's indeed how it works on Palestinian side.

what about the israeli side? i mean sure the chechens took a lot of hostages, but when we murder of all them it's their fault not ours.

It is funny how you think:
Israel = Bad
Israel = Evil
Israel = Not able to do anything correctly

It's becoming laughable.

[Alyakia]

"1967: # of countries that attacked israel: 13"

oh for

"1973: # of countries that attacked israel: 8"

sure we airlifted 100,000 tons of shit to them because we thought they might go nuclear (nuclear states are the real underdogs, you see) but it doesn't count really



what about the israeli side? i mean sure the chechens took a lot of hostages, but when we murder of all them it's their fault not ours.

It is funny how you think:
Israel = Bad
Israel = Evil
Israel = Not able to do anything correctly

It's becoming laughable.

what does this post even mean? if you have a point to make make it.

[Calimera II]

It is funny how you think:
Israel = Bad
Israel = Evil
Israel = Not able to do anything correctly

It's becoming laughable.

what does this post even mean? if you have a point to make make it.

I think for everyone it was very clear. But I'll repeat it for you: you are not being objective.

[Rehansu Tir]

See, the issue here is that in this analogy, israel is in the cuba role. Israel is the one faced by a vastly overpowering neighbour who is threatening them (the arab states, including the palestinians), just as cuba was threatened by the US. Another similar analogy would by taiwan and china - a small state threatened by a larger, stronger neighbour.

But I know, I know - you only support the underdog when they're not jews. Or do you think that the cubans and taiwanese also don't have a right to defend themselves and their citizens?

if you think that israel + the US are the underdogs then i am honestly not sure what i can say to you.

Not israel and the US - Israel alone.

In the correct analogy: israel = Cuba and the US = the USSR; the threat equivalent is Arab states = the US.

[The Great Vale]

Pro-Israel

[Alyakia]

if you think that israel + the US are the underdogs then i am honestly not sure what i can say to you.

Not israel and the US - Israel alone.

In the correct analogy: israel = Cuba and the US = the USSR; the threat equivalent is Arab states = the US.

no really as much as you like to go paint a picture of poor little israel all alone in the world surrounded by big powerful countries who hate it it's simply not true.

the only reason the U.S. choose to ship 100,000 tons of material to israel instead of actively get involved in the war is because og the soviets. they are undeniably with israel.

i suppose it's true the analogy doesn't work because israel has nuclear weapons and the best military in the region and the scary arabs have uh some migs i guess?

[Rehansu Tir]

"1967: # of countries that attacked israel: 13"

oh for

"1973: # of countries that attacked israel: 8"

sure we airlifted 100,000 tons of shit to them because we thought they might go nuclear (nuclear states are the real underdogs, you see) but it doesn't count really

Perhaps you were too rushed and didn't have time to read the original statement I was replying to, even though I quoted it. SO here it is again for your benefit:

"how many days would last before the United States will officially engage for Israel ?"

When has the US ever engaged on behalf of israel or committed even a single soldier to the defense of israel?

[Rehansu Tir]

Not israel and the US - Israel alone.

In the correct analogy: israel = Cuba and the US = the USSR; the threat equivalent is Arab states = the US.

no really as much as you like to go paint a picture of poor little israel all alone in the world surrounded by big powerful countries who hate it it's simply not true.

the only reason the U.S. choose to ship 100,000 tons of material to israel instead of actively get involved in the war is because og the soviets. they are undeniably with israel.

i suppose it's true the analogy doesn't work because israel has nuclear weapons and the best military in the region and the scary arabs have uh some migs i guess?

And the USSR was undeniably with Cuba. And the undeniable threat to Cuba was the US, just as the undeniable threat to israel is the Arab states (including the palestinians). DOn't forget that during the cuban missile crisis, cuba already had soviet nukes in their possession.

That's what makes my analogy accurate and yours wrong.

[Roski]

someone asked an interesting question: how would israel have dealt with the cuban missile crisis?

...

yeah we'd all dead

See, the issue here is that in this analogy, israel is in the cuba role. Israel is the one faced by a vastly overpowering neighbour who is threatening them (the arab states, including the palestinians), just as cuba was threatened by the US. Another similar analogy would by taiwan and china - a small state threatened by a larger, stronger neighbour.

But I know, I know - you only support the underdog when they're not jews. Or do you think that the cubans and taiwanese also don't have a right to defend themselves and their citizens?

I'd not go as far as saying that Israel is the underdog.

[Alyakia]

no really as much as you like to go paint a picture of poor little israel all alone in the world surrounded by big powerful countries who hate it it's simply not true.

the only reason the U.S. choose to ship 100,000 tons of material to israel instead of actively get involved in the war is because og the soviets. they are undeniably with israel.

i suppose it's true the analogy doesn't work because israel has nuclear weapons and the best military in the region and the scary arabs have uh some migs i guess?

And the USSR was undeniably with Cuba. And the undeniable threat to Cuba was the US, just as the undeniable threat to israel is the Arab states (including the palestinians). DOn't forget that during the cuban missile crisis, cuba already had soviet nukes in their possession.

That's what makes my analogy accurate and yours wrong.

and the arabs have no nukes, throwing the entire thing out the window.

[Alyakia]

See, the issue here is that in this analogy, israel is in the cuba role. Israel is the one faced by a vastly overpowering neighbour who is threatening them (the arab states, including the palestinians), just as cuba was threatened by the US. Another similar analogy would by taiwan and china - a small state threatened by a larger, stronger neighbour.

But I know, I know - you only support the underdog when they're not jews. Or do you think that the cubans and taiwanese also don't have a right to defend themselves and their citizens?

I'd not go as far as saying that Israel is the underdog.

it is quite funny to see people say that israel is the most powerful country in the region, has nuclear weapons and has won most of the wars it has been but still try and say they're the underdog because uhhh