Are you Pro Palestine or Israel

[Alyakia]

lol do you remember when israel said they totally had evidence hamas was responsible for the kidnappings before they arrested hundreds of people and demolished their homes and basically started the recent mess and um sure we'll release the evidence give us a little bit then they never showed the evidence and have slowly but surely shut up about claiming hamas was responsible and started ranting about TERROR TUNNELS, TUNNELS OF TERROR

[Beiluxia]

Unless Israel and Palestine can work out a way to create a common nation where Jews and Muslims can live peacefully, I only see a future filled with more bloodshed.

[Alyakia]

someone asked an interesting question: how would israel have dealt with the cuban missile crisis?

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yeah we'd all dead

[Saiwania]

someone asked an interesting question: how would israel have dealt with the cuban missile crisis?
...yeah we'd all dead

With any luck, Israel would be able to pull off a badass special forces operation to disable Cuba's nukes right from under their noses and make it back in one piece. It might have gone as well as Entebbe did anyways.

[Kassaran]

http://i.imgur.com/aopakz9.png

sorry this is just too funny (yet also as far as i know accurate)

e: even if you take out the top bits

Now put the top chart in scale of casualties inflicted with each circle being a hundred pixels wider for every thousand people killed... oh wait.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

I am generally a Zionist in the sense that I believe Israel has the right to exist. That being said, I am neither pro-Israel or pro-Palestine, as neither side have shown themselves willing to commit to any sort of negotiation or peace, unless that peace involves the annihilation of the other side, and they would not be satisfied until they can sink their teeth into the rotting flesh of their enemies.

[Keyboard Warriors]

I think you're missing the point. You see, they're not just giving their utilities and aid, their "giving" them on the provision that Israel can turn them off seemingly whenever they feel like. Now, I'm sure you've felt the minor inconvenience of a blackout, hopefully you've never had to experience the sheer fright which comes with turning on a tap to find no water, so I'm sure you can appreciate how dickish this really is. See, nobody gives a fuck if Israel supplies utilities if it's just another way for them to fuck with people.

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I would have to take some pretty hard drugs to manage that sort of rationalization.

Hamas fires rockets at civilian populations in Israel. Israel responds, understandably, with military force. Some children get caught in the crossfire, partly because of the fact that Hamas deliberately placed children between themselves and their targets, and in your mind, Israel was really taking potshots at little kids as some sick form of entertainment or something. [sarcasm]After all, everyone knows that those kikes are child-murderers who eat children for breakfast[/sarcasm].

Right now you're either:
a) seriously confused about which poster you're responding to
b) throwing out whatever counter argument you can think of regardless if it's applicable or not.

When you figure out what's up, let me know.

Israel supplies the Palestinians with power and water, sends them humanitarian aid and treats them, FOR FREE, in their hospitals, at their expense. Somehow, you interpret this as "being dickish," through some logical gymnastics that HURT MY BRAIN TO EVEN THINK ABOUT.

Really, you don't understand how being dickish is still being dickish even if you were being nice before you did something dickish? Where in the world do you come from that you can be a complete asshole with people and place their lives in serious jeopardy, but escape critique just because you were being pretty helpful just prior? If you think this is something that you can treat as a zero sum game, where anything from serious negligence to malicious attacks can be completely disregarded if humanitarian support is also included, then you have got to be one of the most inhumane people on this forum.

Seriously, you might as well kick a beggar in the fucking jaw and say you've made up for it by giving them $100.

Seriously? I've supported Israel how many times in this thread? I'm not sure about you but "external support" doesn't mean putting Israel's metaphorical dick in my mouth and swallowing whatever load gets dumped there. When Israel fucks up, they can be criticized for it like everybody else.

The point
Your head.

No, I'm pretty sure I well understand your point.

If Labor loses the next round of Israeli elections, then I am going to just tune out this entire issue, and we'll let them just fucking die until the god damn Semites manage to figure out on their own how to behave like adults. I will just chill out on a porch swing, here in the American southeast, eating blueberry pie with ice cream and sipping whiskey, because I don't have to give a shit about their problems. I have the know-how and the resources to live off-the-grid, and I just might do that, build a fence around me, and just maybe shoot anyone who sets foot on my land. A world full of people who think in the asinine black-and-white terms that you do is not something that I can deal with.

I'm a supporter of Israel and dearly love their culture, but I am also a leftist and feel that their current government is not the thing for them, although it is their duty to decide what is best for them, not mine. I am an American Southerner and ask people to respect my region's heritage and symbols rather than reducing it to some mistakes we made long ago, but I am also more liberal than most of the Democratic party. To the black-and-white thinker, I am a riddle of contradictions. To someone who can handle the idea that some people's way of thinking is askew, not right, left or "center," my ideals are very simple to understand.

That is why I understand the situation of those people in Israel who have compassion for the Palestinians and still believe in the idea of using reason before force. It must be hard.

What does this have to do with anything?

[Flardania]

I am anti-hamas yet pro Palestine. I must say that while Israel has the right to defend themselves Netanyahu comes off to me as trigger happy.
I must say a two state solution is needed but also...

Arguing that Israel deserves all the land it has purely because some Jewish people controlled that land at some point in the past is an absurdly stupid argument to make, because you can apply that to almost any area of the world and use it to justify murderous irredentism.

^ This is a smart individual.

[Quintium]

I am anti-hamas yet pro Palestine.

The problem with that view is that Hamas forms the government of the Palestinians, elected by popular vote. It's not some fringe group forcing Palestinians to let it carry out terrorist attacks, it's a popular political movement - not just in Palestine, but throughout the Levant and the Middle East, and even in parts of North Africa. So, the things a majority of the Palestinians apparently voted for:

Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious. It needs all sincere efforts. It is a step that inevitably should be followed by other steps. The Movement is but one squadron that should be supported by more and more squadrons from this vast Arab and Islamic world, until the enemy is vanquished and Allah's victory is realised.

The Islamic Resistance Movement: The Movement's programme is Islam. From it, it draws its ideas, ways of thinking and understanding of the universe, life and man. It resorts to it for judgement in all its conduct, and it is inspired by it for guidance of its steps.

The Islamic Resistance Movement is one of the wings of Moslem Brotherhood in Palestine. Moslem Brotherhood Movement is a universal organization which constitutes the largest Islamic movement in modern times. It is characterised by its deep understanding, accurate comprehension and its complete embrace of all Islamic concepts of all aspects of life, culture, creed, politics, economics, education, society, justice and judgement, the spreading of Islam, education, art, information, science of the occult and conversion to Islam.

By adopting Islam as its way of life, the Movement goes back to the time of the birth of the Islamic message, of the righteous ancestor, for Allah is its target, the Prophet is its example and the Koran is its constitution. Its extent in place is anywhere that there are Moslems who embrace Islam as their way of life everywhere in the globe. This being so, it extends to the depth of the earth and reaches out to the heaven.

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).

Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.

As for the objectives: They are the fighting against the false, defeating it and vanquishing it so that justice could prevail, homelands be retrieved and from its mosques would the voice of the mu'azen emerge declaring the establishment of the state of Islam, so that people and things would return each to their right places and Allah is our helper.

The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. Neither a single Arab country nor all Arab countries, neither any king or president, nor all the kings and presidents, neither any organization nor all of them, be they Palestinian or Arab, possess the right to do that. Palestine is an Islamic Waqf land consecrated for Moslem generations until Judgement Day.

Nationalism, from the point of view of the Islamic Resistance Movement, is part of the religious creed. Nothing in nationalism is more significant or deeper than in the case when an enemy should tread Moslem land. Resisting and quelling the enemy become the individual duty of every Moslem, male or female. A woman can go out to fight the enemy without her husband's permission, and so does the slave: without his master's permission. Nothing of the sort is to be found in any other regime. This is an undisputed fact. If other nationalist movements are connected with materialistic, human or regional causes, nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement has all these elements as well as the more important elements that give it soul and life. It is connected to the source of spirit and the granter of life, hoisting in the sky of the homeland the heavenly banner that joins earth and heaven with a strong bond.

Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement. Abusing any part of Palestine is abuse directed against part of religion. Nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its religion. Its members have been fed on that. For the sake of hoisting the banner of Allah over their homeland they fight. "Allah will be prominent, but most people do not know."

Now and then the call goes out for the convening of an international conference to look for ways of solving the (Palestinian) question. Some accept, others reject the idea, for this or other reason, with one stipulation or more for consent to convening the conference and participating in it. Knowing the parties constituting the conference, their past and present attitudes towards Moslem problems, the Islamic Resistance Movement does not consider these conferences capable of realising the demands, restoring the rights or doing justice to the oppressed. These conferences are only ways of setting the infidels in the land of the Moslems as arbitraters. When did the infidels do justice to the believers?

There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors. The Palestinian people know better than to consent to having their future, rights and fate toyed with.

The Moslem woman has a role no less important than that of the moslem man in the battle of liberation. She is the maker of men. Her role in guiding and educating the new generations is great. The enemies have realised the importance of her role. They consider that if they are able to direct and bring her up they way they wish, far from Islam, they would have won the battle. That is why you find them giving these attempts constant attention through information campaigns, films, and the school curriculum, using for that purpose their lackeys who are infiltrated through Zionist organizations under various names and shapes, such as Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, espionage groups and others, which are all nothing more than cells of subversion and saboteurs.

[Benuty]

Pro-Palestine and anti-Israel. I'm only for Hamas as far as I want it to damage the Israeli forces. I have no desire for Hamas to have anything in the long run. But it's just that every time a Hamas fighter kills an Israeli soldier, I get a little happier.

Meanwhile in the world of reality.

[Artaeon]

Im Pro-Israel because i don't like ugly borders, Israel should take entire Palestine, so that the borders would be prettier.

[Calimera II]

Im Pro-Israel because i don't like ugly borders, Israel should take entire Palestine, so that the borders would be prettier.

Wat.

[Untaroicht]

I'm just going to leave this here

[Artaeon]

Wat.

I just don't like ugly borders, Israel looks like it has a hole in the middle, it must be corrected! Then it would be nice and squarish nation.

[Calimera II]

Wat.

I just don't like ugly borders, Israel looks like it has a hole in the middle, it must be corrected! Then it would be nice and squarish nation.

That shouldn't be the argument for supporting Israel..

[Artaeon]

That shouldn't be the argument for supporting Israel..

Okay, maybe that's not the only reason, but still those borders!

[Herskerstad]

Most of all I am wholeheartedly anti-hamas. I am also very much anti Fatah and PLO because they have both vowed never to accept a permanent peace with the Jewish state. Until Hamas is erradicated as an organization and replaced with a pro-, but fair permanent peace organization, and Fatah/PLO changes their position to accept a permanent peace, nothing can really be done.

Though I will agree that if Israel now just go into Gaza not to destroy Hamas and have them replaced, but instead just to destroy the capabilities of hamas, then it is a huge waste. I get needing to destroy the enemies logistical capabilities to strike at Israel as they are likely not going to ever accept another 1000 missile barrage from Gaza, but yeah, I'd like to see some strategic initiatives.

[Cobmeister]

The people of Gaza and the West Bank are paying die Deutschland's debts for WWII.
Why do some random people in a whole different continent have to do that.

[Magna Libero]

That shouldn't be the argument for supporting Israel..

Okay, maybe that's not the only reason, but still those borders!

No offense or anything, but you made my day.

[Alcase]

Wat.

I just don't like ugly borders, Israel looks like it has a hole in the middle, it must be corrected! Then it would be nice and squarish nation.

That makes no sense.

"I just didn't like his ugly face! He needed a hole in his face so I shot him."

[Leritorius]

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Remember this, those who say they stand with Israel after watching CNN and similar sh*t.

Could not this also be said of those who stand with the Palestinians? Also, the Arab nation in the beginning fired first. Palestinians provoked Jewish immigrants already in the area because of the set apart land, Jewish immigrants engaged in counter-hostilities, the Civil War began, then Palestine fell to Israel, Egypt, the Palestinian Remnants, Transjordan, Syria, and Iraq all engaged Israel. Israel beat them all back and took everything the Palestinians hadn't wanted to give up.

Guess what's the common thing to all these medias...CNN, CBS, ABC, USA Today, Wall Street Journal, Huffington Post, LA Times, Associated Press, the NY Post, Reader's Digest...
And remember one thing before you say that there's a war : Israel prohibits any country to give military help to the people of Palestine. Israel uses missiles, an anti-missile system, and a fully trained army. Palestine has no possibility to call for reinforcements, as no zionist government would agree to give them so.
Now, see what has happened to all the countries you quoted : Transjordan is no more, Syria's actually under jewish fire, and Iraq has lost their head thanks to israel's dog : the United States Army...
Now, ask yourself one thing : if suddenly a random country would send an army to help the palestinians defend themselves against Tsahal, how many days would last before the United States will officially engage for Israel ?

[Keyboard Warriors]

I just don't like ugly borders, Israel looks like it has a hole in the middle, it must be corrected! Then it would be nice and squarish nation.

That makes no sense.

"I just didn't like his ugly face! He needed a hole in his face so I shot him."

It's a joke.

[Leritorius]

I'm just going to leave this here

First thing you see written in the video : The New York Times.

Owner & Chairman : Arthur Ochs Sulzberger Jr.
Vice-President : Kenneth Richieri


Your argument is invalid.

[Murray land]

How many times are we going to beat this dead horse?

[Alcase]

How many times are we going to beat this dead horse?

Until he dies again