Are you Pro Palestine or Israel

[Kassaran]

Very credible statement disproving what I said . Israel IS the shining beacon of the middle east.

i think the other lines which you ignored where much better at disproving what you said but that might be my opinion.

you can't say that israel is the shining beacon in the middle east then complain when people hold it to that standard. if you think israel gets more criticism then i hate to tell you this but it's basically your fault.

I'm fine with them getting tons of criticism because the US gets plenty as well. The better the nation the more critics there are... well, unless you're a pariah state, then everyone's a critic.

[South Panem]

How is it personally my fault? Also, your lines were beliefs, not credible evidence. Israel is the best country in the middle east but seems to be more criticized than other middle eastern countries. They have a right to declare themselves shining beacons because they are, and they have a right to complain of criticism because they are criticized more rigorously. Other crimes in the world deserve more attention than Israel, such as the slaughtering that exists in Syria. Complacency in the face of other more serious crimes because they are perpetuated by "Non democratic countries" is not acceptable because the crimes are "expected", and the governments which commit them are inherently evil.

[Alyakia]

How is it personally my fault? Also, your lines were beliefs, not credible evidence. Israel is the best country in the middle east but seems to be more criticized than other middle eastern countries. They have a right to declare themselves shining beacons because they are, and they have a right to complain of criticism because they are criticized more rigorously. Other crimes in the world deserve more attention than Israel, such as the slaughtering that exists in Syria. Complacency in the face of other more serious crimes because they are perpetuated by "Non democratic countries" is not acceptable because the crimes are "expected", and the governments which commit them are inherently evil.

your rhetoric and your taxes, basically. the president never got on stage and said "yeah assads slaughtering is basically right good job assad you're so awesome" (admittedly a bit paraphrased)

[Kassaran]

How is it personally my fault? Also, your lines were beliefs, not credible evidence. Israel is the best country in the middle east but seems to be more criticized than other middle eastern countries. They have a right to declare themselves shining beacons because they are, and they have a right to complain of criticism because they are criticized more rigorously. Other crimes in the world deserve more attention than Israel, such as the slaughtering that exists in Syria. Complacency in the face of other more serious crimes because they are perpetuated by "Non democratic countries" is not acceptable because the crimes are "expected", and the governments which commit them are inherently evil.

your rhetoric and your taxes, basically. the president never got on stage and said "yeah assads slaughtering is basically right good job assad you're so awesome" (admittedly a bit paraphrased)

And now you're writing in something that resembles English, but doesn't read as it.

[South Panem]

How is it personally my fault? Also, your lines were beliefs, not credible evidence. Israel is the best country in the middle east but seems to be more criticized than other middle eastern countries. They have a right to declare themselves shining beacons because they are, and they have a right to complain of criticism because they are criticized more rigorously. Other crimes in the world deserve more attention than Israel, such as the slaughtering that exists in Syria. Complacency in the face of other more serious crimes because they are perpetuated by "Non democratic countries" is not acceptable because the crimes are "expected", and the governments which commit them are inherently evil.

your rhetoric and your taxes, basically. the president never got on stage and said "yeah assads slaughtering is basically right good job assad you're so awesome" (admittedly a bit paraphrased)

Don't know what you are talking about when you say my taxes because I live in Canada, but i guess you assumed I lived in Israel because I support them. I don't know what president you are talking about but I didn't say anything about people praising assad. Maybe you should reread the end of my last post.

[Alyakia]

your rhetoric and your taxes, basically. the president never got on stage and said "yeah assads slaughtering is basically right good job assad you're so awesome" (admittedly a bit paraphrased)

And now you're writing in something that resembles English, but doesn't read as it.

Israel receives a lot of criticism because it is constantly stated to be the United States best ally and the best country in the Middle East and is therefore given praise and billions of dollars at each opportunity. Syria, comparatively, does not have the backing the American people and the American government from a moral and financial perspective (See: What I said about Obama. He says Israels operations are right. He has not to my knowledge said that Assad is right.) so Israel tends to produce a bit more of a contentious debate, which means more people talk about it, which means more people defend it, which means...

your rhetoric and your taxes, basically. the president never got on stage and said "yeah assads slaughtering is basically right good job assad you're so awesome" (admittedly a bit paraphrased)

Don't know what you are talking about when you say my taxes because I live in Canada, but i guess you assumed I lived in Israel because I support them. I don't know what president you are talking about but I didn't say anything about people praising assad. Maybe you should reread the end of my last post.

I had assumed you were American, actually. But feel free to look up what Harper has said about Israel. Compare to what he has said about Assad.

Yes. Their actions are evil. But no one is pretending they aren't. Meanwhile Israel commits war crimes and has everyone including you defending it. You can say it shouldn't be that way, but when your government says "Yeah killing those civilians is basically ok" it gets a hell of a lot more attention that "Kill those civilians was wrong". And let's not pretend for a second that Assad didn't catch a world of shit for his gassings.

Oh and obviously like I said above we give military aid to Israel but not to Syria, so we are much more interested in what they do with the guns I basically paid for.

e: And if I don't know why I'm talking about how people praise Netanahyu but don't praise Assad and how this matters maybe you should read your owns posts, then mine, then yours again just to make sure.

[South Panem]

And now you're writing in something that resembles English, but doesn't read as it.

Israel receives a lot of criticism because it is constantly stated to be the United States best ally and the best country in the Middle East and is therefore given praise and billions of dollars at each opportunity. Syria, comparatively, does not have the backing the American people and the American government from a moral and financial perspective (See: What I said about Obama. He says Israels operations are right. He has not to my knowledge said that Assad is right.) so Israel tends to produce a bit more of a contentious debate, which means more people talk about it, which means more people defend it, which means...

Don't know what you are talking about when you say my taxes because I live in Canada, but i guess you assumed I lived in Israel because I support them. I don't know what president you are talking about but I didn't say anything about people praising assad. Maybe you should reread the end of my last post.

America provides Israel with only 3 billion dollars a year. Meanwhile America donates a combined amount of 18 billion dollars to other middle eastern countries.



Yes. Their actions are evil. But no one is pretending they aren't. Meanwhile Israel commits war crimes and has everyone including you defending it. You can say it shouldn't be that way, but when your government says "Yeah killing those civilians is basically ok" it gets a hell of a lot more attention that "Kill those civilians was wrong". And let's not pretend for a second that Assad didn't catch a world of shit for his gassings.

America provides Israel with only 3 billion dollars a year. Meanwhile America donates a combined amount of 18 billion dollars to other middle eastern countries. Have you noticed how much the news is currently focusing on Israel instead of other problems like Isis.

[Alyakia]

Israel receives a lot of criticism because it is constantly stated to be the United States best ally and the best country in the Middle East and is therefore given praise and billions of dollars at each opportunity. Syria, comparatively, does not have the backing the American people and the American government from a moral and financial perspective (See: What I said about Obama. He says Israels operations are right. He has not to my knowledge said that Assad is right.) so Israel tends to produce a bit more of a contentious debate, which means more people talk about it, which means more people defend it, which means...


America provides Israel with only 3 billion dollars a year. Meanwhile America donates a combined amount of 18 billion dollars to other middle eastern countries.



Yes. Their actions are evil. But no one is pretending they aren't. Meanwhile Israel commits war crimes and has everyone including you defending it. You can say it shouldn't be that way, but when your government says "Yeah killing those civilians is basically ok" it gets a hell of a lot more attention that "Kill those civilians was wrong". And let's not pretend for a second that Assad didn't catch a world of shit for his gassings.

America provides Israel with only 3 billion dollars a year. Meanwhile America donates a combined amount of 18 billion dollars to other middle eastern countries. Have you noticed how much the news is currently focusing on Israel instead of other problems like Isis.

"only" my arse. it's the single largest recipient. 3 times more than iraq.

[South Panem]

I condemn Israel's collective punishment policy. I am still pro-Israel rather pro-Palestine

[South Panem]

America provides Israel with only 3 billion dollars a year. Meanwhile America donates a combined amount of 18 billion dollars to other middle eastern countries. Have you noticed how much the news is currently focusing on Israel instead of other problems like Isis.

"only" my arse. it's the single largest recipient. 3 times more than iraq.

http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newslet ... hp?id=8527 proves that they recieve 3.4 billion dollars from US.

[Alyakia]

I condemn Israel's collective punishment policy. I am still pro-Israel rather pro-Palestine

i looked back to see what you meant by this and i noticed you used the iraq war as an example without mentioning we pretty clearly now and many of us even then recognize it is a stupid massive mistake that should have never been done and may very well be one of americas worst foreign policy decisions ever lol

[Alyakia]

"only" my arse. it's the single largest recipient. 3 times more than iraq.

http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newslet ... hp?id=8527 proves that they recieve 3.4 billion dollars from US.

yes (3.4 would 3 times as much as iraq)

[South Panem]

http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newslet ... hp?id=8527 proves that they recieve 3.4 billion dollars from US.

yes (3.4 would 3 times as much as iraq)

But you said "only" my arse, which meant that you thought it was way more. Did you forget that? 3 billion is nothing compared to the quarter a trillion GDP of Israel. http://gbk.eads.usaidallnet.gov/data/fast-facts.html says that Iraq recieves 1.9 billion. 1.9 times 3 = 5.7

[Alyakia]

yes (3.4 would 3 times as much as iraq)

But you said "only" my arse, which meant that you thought it was way more. Did you forget that? 3 billion is nothing compared to the quarter a trillion GDP of Israel. http://gbk.eads.usaidallnet.gov/data/fast-facts.html says that Iraq recieves 1.9 billion. 1.9 times 3 = 5.7

i mean "only" as in you trying to play it down as a small number.

that's economic and military not military. their military aid is 1.1 billion.

[Alyakia]

yes (3.4 would 3 times as much as iraq)

But you said "only" my arse, which meant that you thought it was way more. Did you forget that? 3 billion is nothing compared to the quarter a trillion GDP of Israel. http://gbk.eads.usaidallnet.gov/data/fast-facts.html says that Iraq recieves 1.9 billion. 1.9 times 3 = 5.7

in 2012, the year we are using, israel spent 14 billion on defence. so that's about 20% actually. hardly "nothing".

[South Panem]

But you said "only" my arse, which meant that you thought it was way more. Did you forget that? 3 billion is nothing compared to the quarter a trillion GDP of Israel. http://gbk.eads.usaidallnet.gov/data/fast-facts.html says that Iraq recieves 1.9 billion. 1.9 times 3 = 5.7

i mean "only" as in you trying to play it down as a small number.

that's economic and military not military. their military aid is 1.1 billion.

3.4 billion dollars is not much different from 3 billion dollars when comparing it to the quarter a trillion GDP of Israel. Stop trying to grasp at strings. Also, you should have said military aid.

[Alyakia]

do you actually think israel spends 100% of GDP on defence or are you just bullshitting me

[South Panem]

They spend 15 billion dollars on defence

[Alyakia]

They spend 15 billion dollars on defence

oh cool so the quarter of a trillion figure is actually basically irrelevant and you just liked saying it

[South Panem]

They spend 15 billion dollars on defence

oh cool so the quarter of a trillion figure is actually basically irrelevant and you just liked saying it

You probably are incapable of seeing this but I was putting into perspective how much 3.4 billion dollars really was.

[Alyakia]

oh cool so the quarter of a trillion figure is actually basically irrelevant and you just liked saying it

You probably are incapable of seeing this but I was putting into perspective how much 3.4 billion dollars really was.

by using an irrelevant figure instead of the relevant one, where we see it's actually 20%

[Alyakia]

But according to the 972 report, Israel's minister of Industry, Trade and Labor and Jewish Home Party leader Naftali Bennett could not have disagreed more, proposing during Sunday's cabinet meeting a swifter, but illegal way to deal with prisoners.

"If you catch terrorists, you have to simply kill them," Bennett allegedly said, according to a report in the Hebrew-language print edition of Yedioth Ahronoth.

Israeli National Security Adviser Ya’akov Amidror allegedly responded by saying that such a practice was illegal. Bennett then reportedly declared, "I’ve killed lots of Arabs in my life – and there’s no problem with that.”

"I will do everything in my power to make sure they never get a state"

there's no way israel would let a guy like this into government rig- oh... he's the minister of the economy...

[Alyakia]

could be worse. they once had the minister of the interior say that israel belongs to the white man and we need to bomb gaza back to the stone age, but still not cool israel.

e:

" I defend Israel's right to defend itself against rocket attacks. But I cannot explain, justify or defend the horrifying deaths of hundreds of Palestinians, including children and innocent civilians."

ed milliband says something reasonable?!

[Greater Istanistan]

Pro-Palestine and anti-Israel. I'm only for Hamas as far as I want it to damage the Israeli forces. I have no desire for Hamas to have anything in the long run. But it's just that every time a Hamas fighter kills an Israeli soldier, I get a little happier.

[Alyakia]

http://i.imgur.com/aopakz9.png

sorry this is just too funny (yet also as far as i know accurate)

e: even if you take out the top bits