Are you Pro Palestine or Israel

[Aikayla]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_demo ... n_conflict

there's a whole article for this too

If you bothered to read the article you would know the purpose of the demolitions.
House demolition is typically justified by the IDF on the basis of:

Deterrence, achieved by harming the relatives of those who carry out, or are suspected of involvement in carrying out, attacks[3]
Counter-terrorism, by destroying militant facilities such as bombs labs, weapons factories, weapons and ammunition warehouses, headquarters, offices etc.[citation needed]
Legality, according to building and housing regulations[citation needed]
Forcing out an individual barricaded inside a house, which may be rigged House demolition is typically justified by the IDF on the basis of:

Deterrence, achieved by harming the relatives of those who carry out, or are suspected of involvement in carrying out, attacks[3]
Counter-terrorism, by destroying militant facilities such as bombs labs, weapons factories, weapons and ammunition warehouses, headquarters, offices etc.
Legality, according to building and housing regulations
Forcing out an individual barricaded inside a house, which may be rigged with explosives, without risking soldiers' lives
Self-defence, by destroying possible hideouts and rocket propelled grenade/gun posts[8]
Combat engineering, clearing a path for tanks and heavy armoured personnel carriers
Destroying structures rigged with booby traps and explosives in order to prevent risk to soldiers and civilians with explosives, without risking soldiers' lives
Self-defence, by destroying possible hideouts and rocket propelled grenade/gun posts[8]
Combat engineering, clearing a path for tanks and heavy armoured personnel carriers
Destroying structures rigged with booby traps and explosives in order to prevent risk to soldiers and civilians

i did. the first one is collectie punishment and is therefore a war crime, so you should probably be careful!

[South Panem]

I like to point out it's very hypocritical for Western nations to criticise the formation of Israel over what it's alrady inhabited territory when nations such as Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and the United States were formed by European colonists at the expense of it's indigenous populations, regardless of what period of time these countries came into existence.

what if we are a nation that has histoircally been oppressed but still has a relatively pro-palestine government?

You mean governments such as the Palestinian Authority and the Hamas?

[Aikayla]

what if we are a nation that has histoircally been oppressed but still has a relatively pro-palestine government?

You mean governments such as the Palestinian Authority and the Hamas?

not necessarily pro-PA no but definitely in favour of palestinian statehood as far as i know. i think you might hae misread my post.

[Avoxlia]

I like to point out it's very hypocritical for Western nations to criticise the formation of Israel over what it's alrady inhabited territory when nations such as Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and the United States were formed by European colonists at the expense of it's indigenous populations, regardless of what period of time these countries came into existence.

what if we are a nation that has histoircally been oppressed but still has a relatively pro-palestine government?

What nation in question? These first world countries I mentioned had always been ruled by white people, or WASPs in particular.

[South Panem]

If you bothered to read the article you would know the purpose of the demolitions.
House demolition is typically justified by the IDF on the basis of:

Deterrence, achieved by harming the relatives of those who carry out, or are suspected of involvement in carrying out, attacks[3]
Counter-terrorism, by destroying militant facilities such as bombs labs, weapons factories, weapons and ammunition warehouses, headquarters, offices etc.[citation needed]
Legality, according to building and housing regulations[citation needed]
Forcing out an individual barricaded inside a house, which may be rigged House demolition is typically justified by the IDF on the basis of:

Deterrence, achieved by harming the relatives of those who carry out, or are suspected of involvement in carrying out, attacks[3]
Counter-terrorism, by destroying militant facilities such as bombs labs, weapons factories, weapons and ammunition warehouses, headquarters, offices etc.
Legality, according to building and housing regulations
Forcing out an individual barricaded inside a house, which may be rigged with explosives, without risking soldiers' lives
Self-defence, by destroying possible hideouts and rocket propelled grenade/gun posts[8]
Combat engineering, clearing a path for tanks and heavy armoured personnel carriers
Destroying structures rigged with booby traps and explosives in order to prevent risk to soldiers and civilians with explosives, without risking soldiers' lives
Self-defence, by destroying possible hideouts and rocket propelled grenade/gun posts[8]
Combat engineering, clearing a path for tanks and heavy armoured personnel carriers
Destroying structures rigged with booby traps and explosives in order to prevent risk to soldiers and civilians

i did. the first one is collectie punishment and is therefore a war crime, so you should probably be careful!

Apparently you didn't, because I just stated exactly what Wikipedia said. You're stating only criticism which foreign organizations perpetuate.

[Aikayla]

i did. the first one is collectie punishment and is therefore a war crime, so you should probably be careful!

Apparently you didn't, because I just stated exactly what Wikipedia said. You're stating only criticism which foreign organizations perpetuate.

it's not foreign organizations, it's domestic ones as well. going "foreign organizations!!!" won't make it less of a war crime than it is. you can't punish people for crimes they didn't commit. and the house demolitions are desinged to do just that. it's that simple.

[MERIZoC]

i did. the first one is collectie punishment and is therefore a war crime, so you should probably be careful!

Apparently you didn't, because I just stated exactly what Wikipedia said. You're stating only criticism which foreign organizations perpetuate.

Not…foreign organizations! Dahn dun daaaaaaan!

[Aikayla]

what if we are a nation that has histoircally been oppressed but still has a relatively pro-palestine government?

What nation in question? These first world countries I mentioned had always been ruled by white people, or WASPs in particular (with the exception of Quebec).

when you said western nations i thought of all western nations. ireland is the one i know the best but you shouldn't need to go far to find others. it gets even worse if you consider nations like chile to be western and not colonalists.

[South Panem]

You mean governments such as the Palestinian Authority and the Hamas?

not necessarily pro-PA no but definitely in favour of palestinian statehood as far as i know. i think you might hae misread my post.

Hamas is recognized as a terrorist organization by the international community and is in favour of the destruction of Israel. Just because they are in favour of a Palestinian state doesn't make them morally right.

[Avenio]

House demolition is typically justified by the IDF on the basis of:
Deterrence, achieved by harming the relatives of those who carry out, or are suspected of involvement in carrying out, attacks[3]

Between 2001 and 2005, Israel’s military demolished 664 houses belonging to suspected Palestinian militants and their families, according to B’Tselem. The policy was abandoned in 2005 after the military determined that the demolitions bred resentment and inspired fresh recruits, helping fuel the Palestinian insurgency.

[South Panem]

Apparently you didn't, because I just stated exactly what Wikipedia said. You're stating only criticism which foreign organizations perpetuate.

it's not foreign organizations, it's domestic ones as well. going "foreign organizations!!!" won't make it less of a war crime than it is. you can't punish people for crimes they didn't commit. and the house demolitions are desinged to do just that. it's that simple.

Ya, but it's not a war crime because it's not used as collective punishment. The IDF even says why demolitions are used, read my past post.

[Aikayla]

it's not foreign organizations, it's domestic ones as well. going "foreign organizations!!!" won't make it less of a war crime than it is. you can't punish people for crimes they didn't commit. and the house demolitions are desinged to do just that. it's that simple.

Ya, but it's not a war crime because it's not used as collective punishment. The IDF even says why demolitions are used, read my past post.

it is used as colective punishment. it is used to punish the families and deter militants by encouraing their families to stop them or else their hous will get blown up. this is collective punshment.

"Deterrence, achieved by harming the relatives of those who carry out, or are suspected of involvement in carrying out, attacks[3]"

harming the relatives

[Avoxlia]

What nation in question? These first world countries I mentioned had always been ruled by white people, or WASPs in particular (with the exception of Quebec).

when you said western nations i thought of all western nations. ireland is the one i know the best but you shouldn't need to go far to find others. it gets even worse if you consider nations like chile to be western and not colonalists.

I could understand how the Irish Republic could sympathise with the Palestinians as well as the Basque Seperatists. They were subjected to appalling treatment by their more powerful neighbour Britian so they probably know more about oppression than most Americans. I'm for the two state solution but like I said before, Palestine needs to recognise Israel as a state in it's own right in the same respect that Israel should recognise Palestine as a seperate sovereign entity, along with the rest of the world.

Btw I'm descended from Irish Catholics and Protestants along with Jewish immigrants from Germany.

Also was Chile a Spanish colony?

[South Panem]

Ya, but it's not a war crime because it's not used as collective punishment. The IDF even says why demolitions are used, read my past post.

it is used as colective punishment. it is used to punish the families and deter militants by encouraing their families to stop them or else their hous will get blown up. this is collective punshment.

"Deterrence, achieved by harming the relatives of those who carry out, or are suspected of involvement in carrying out, attacks[3]"

harming the relatives

So I guess this justifies the Palestinian terrorists in their actions. Also, care to comment on the war crimes committed by Hamas, or is it only an atrocity when Israel is the perpetrator. Also, Israel abandoned the deterrence strategy years ago, so your argument is invalid.

[Aikayla]

it is used as colective punishment. it is used to punish the families and deter militants by encouraing their families to stop them or else their hous will get blown up. this is collective punshment.

"Deterrence, achieved by harming the relatives of those who carry out, or are suspected of involvement in carrying out, attacks[3]"

harming the relatives

So I guess this justifies the Palestinian terrorists in their actions. Also, care to comment on the war crimes committed by Hamas, or is it only an atrocity when Israel is the perpetrator. Also, Israel abandoned the deterrence strategy years ago, so your argument is invalid.

they started demolishing homes again recently. in the past week over 150 homes have been demolished.

when you are unable to argue your way out of israels crimes, throw a bunch of fallacies and accusatory questions to try and distract. yes war crimes commited by hamas are bad. did you need to be told that?

[Aikayla]

when you said western nations i thought of all western nations. ireland is the one i know the best but you shouldn't need to go far to find others. it gets even worse if you consider nations like chile to be western and not colonalists.

I could understand how the Irish Republic could sympathise with the Palestinians as well as the Basque Seperatists. They were subjected to appalling treatment by their more power neighbour Britian so they probably know more about oppression than most Americans. I'm for the two state solution but like I said before, Palestine needs to recognise Israel as a state in it's own right in the same respect that Israel should recognise Palestine as a seperate sovereign entity, along with the rest of the world.

Btw I'm descended from Irish Catholics and Protestants along with Jewish immigrants from Germany.

Also was Chile a Spanish colony?

i think they were owedn by spain but i'm not sure if the people there are descened from colonalists or not.

[South Panem]

So I guess this justifies the Palestinian terrorists in their actions. Also, care to comment on the war crimes committed by Hamas, or is it only an atrocity when Israel is the perpetrator. Also, Israel abandoned the deterrence strategy years ago, so your argument is invalid.

they started demolishing homes again recently. in the past week over 150 homes have been demolished.

when you are unable to argue your way out of israels crimes, throw a bunch of fallacies and accusatory questions to try and distract. yes war crimes commited by hamas are bad. did you need to be told that?

If the Palestinian militants had chosen a different path then terrorism, that would not have happened. Also, I am not saying Israel is a perfect country. Israeli has committed some crimes. But find me a country that has never stumbled morally or legally. I am saying that Israel is held to way more rigorous standards and criticism than other countries and governments.

[Washington Resistance Army]

they started demolishing homes again recently. in the past week over 150 homes have been demolished.

when you are unable to argue your way out of israels crimes, throw a bunch of fallacies and accusatory questions to try and distract. yes war crimes commited by hamas are bad. did you need to be told that?

If the Palestinian militants had chosen a different path then terrorism, that would not have happened. Also, I am not saying Israel is a perfect country. Israeli has committed some crimes. But find me a country that has never stumbled morally or legally. I am saying that Israel is held to way more rigorous standards and criticism than other countries and governments.

San Marino. GGWP no re.

[Aikayla]

they started demolishing homes again recently. in the past week over 150 homes have been demolished.

when you are unable to argue your way out of israels crimes, throw a bunch of fallacies and accusatory questions to try and distract. yes war crimes commited by hamas are bad. did you need to be told that?

If the Palestinian militants had chosen a different path then terrorism, that would not have happened. Also, I am not saying Israel is a perfect country. Israeli has committed some crimes. But find me a country that has never stumbled morally or legally. I am saying that Israel is held to way more rigorous standards and criticism than other countries and governments.

you can't commit war crimes against people you can't even proven were involved because 3 teens got murdered. sorry.

the difference is we kinda tried to stop commit war crimes but israel still does them. actually, find me another country that blows up peoples houses like israel does for punishment. you might be surprised at what you find.

israel is held to the same standard as every other western democracy. if it can't handle that maybe it should stop proclaiming itself to be the shinig beacon of the middle east.

christ, it's just a caconophony of bullshit.

[South Panem]

Thank you washington.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Thank you washington.

Anytime Someone has to stick up for The Most Serene Republic.

[South Panem]

If the Palestinian militants had chosen a different path then terrorism, that would not have happened. Also, I am not saying Israel is a perfect country. Israeli has committed some crimes. But find me a country that has never stumbled morally or legally. I am saying that Israel is held to way more rigorous standards and criticism than other countries and governments.

you can't commit war crimes against people you can't even proven were involved because 3 teens got murdered. sorry.

the difference is we kinda tried to stop commit war crimes but israel still does them. actually, find me another country that blows up peoples houses like israel does for punishment. you might be surprised at what you find.

israel is held to the same standard as every other western democracy. if it can't handle that maybe it should stop proclaiming itself to be the shinig beacon of the middle east.

christ, it's just a caconophony of bullshit.

Very credible statement disproving what I said . Israel IS the shining beacon of the middle east.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I could understand how the Irish Republic could sympathise with the Palestinians as well as the Basque Seperatists. They were subjected to appalling treatment by their more power neighbour Britian so they probably know more about oppression than most Americans. I'm for the two state solution but like I said before, Palestine needs to recognise Israel as a state in it's own right in the same respect that Israel should recognise Palestine as a seperate sovereign entity, along with the rest of the world.

Btw I'm descended from Irish Catholics and Protestants along with Jewish immigrants from Germany.

Also was Chile a Spanish colony?

i think they were owedn by spain but i'm not sure if the people there are descened from colonalists or not.

Chile was part of the South American claims done by the SPanish yes. Particularly they reigned through the viceroyalty of Peru from 1542 to 1810 when Chile became independent; and yes, the majority of people from Chile descend from Colonialists (figures based on the 1778 census of the Chilean region)

[Alyakia]

you can't commit war crimes against people you can't even proven were involved because 3 teens got murdered. sorry.

the difference is we kinda tried to stop commit war crimes but israel still does them. actually, find me another country that blows up peoples houses like israel does for punishment. you might be surprised at what you find.

israel is held to the same standard as every other western democracy. if it can't handle that maybe it should stop proclaiming itself to be the shinig beacon of the middle east.

christ, it's just a caconophony of bullshit.

Very credible statement disproving what I said . Israel IS the shining beacon of the middle east.

i think the other lines which you ignored where much better at disproving what you said but that might be my opinion.

you can't say that israel is the shining beacon in the middle east then complain when people hold it to that standard. if you think israel gets more criticism then i hate to tell you this but it's basically your fault.

[South Panem]

Say that I agree that Israel shouldn't commit the crime of collective punishment, what are you're other arguments and if you think "I don't need them" then how does collective punishment immediately put Israel lower than Palestine.