Are you Pro Palestine or Israel

[Alyakia]

The leaders, but not the people.

Not the case in many nations, here a dutch article: http://www.dagelijksestandaard.nl/2013/ ... aan-isra-l

Dutch just want more support for Israel

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A striking outcome of a recent representative survey among the Dutch population: many Dutch feel that the Netherlands should give Israel more support, way more support than to the Palestinians.

The survey was conducted among 4200 people, on the occasion of the 40th anniversary of the CIDI and the farewell on 11 November of Director Ronny Naftaniel.

Most respondents (33%) believe that the Netherlands both parties should be treated equally. Nevertheless, 16% that the Netherlands should give to Israel than to the Palestinians more support. Only 9% think the other way around: that the Netherlands should support the Palestinians. Another 36% believe that the Netherlands should step aside.

16% is not striking.

[Peachany]

Belgium: 63% of the people in favor for Palestine (Fb)
Slovakia: 72% of the people in favor for Palestine

[Kuzestan]

About the whole Israeli-Palestinian situation, I'm for the two-state solution, like many people in Indonesia. I'm pro-Palestine for the current conflict, but I'm becoming increasingly troubled by the unending flow of civilian casualties and both sides seemingly being unable to come together and negotiate a ceasefire (that they will faithfully adhere to) on their own rather than waiting for another party to do it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but a lot of people here (Indonesia) only cares (and expecting) the destruction of Israel. Which means that they wanted to see all Israeli flags from Eilat to Southern Lebanon to be replaced with Palestinian flag.

[Calimera II]

Belgium: 63% of the people in favor for Palestine (Fb)
Slovakia: 72% of the people in favor for Palestine

I really hope fb doesn't means facebook here..

[Russian Socialist Soviet States]

Belgium: 63% of the people in favor for Palestine (Fb)
Slovakia: 72% of the people in favor for Palestine

Hitler got his wish about Belgium and Slovakia.

[DogDoo 7]

About the whole Israeli-Palestinian situation, I'm for the two-state solution, like many people in Indonesia. I'm pro-Palestine for the current conflict, but I'm becoming increasingly troubled by the unending flow of civilian casualties and both sides seemingly being unable to come together and negotiate a ceasefire (that they will faithfully adhere to) on their own rather than waiting for another party to do it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but a lot of people here (Indonesia) only cares (and expecting) the destruction of Israel. Which means that they wanted to see all Israeli flags from Eilat to Southern Lebanon to be replaced with Palestinian flag.

who gives a shit about a stupid flag? it's what it means for the people that matter. if everyone was treated equally here I wouldn't care if we had the goatse image for our flag.

[Genivaria]

Arguing that Israel deserves all the land it has purely because it may or may not have controlled that land at some point in the past is an absurdly stupid argument to make, because you can apply that to almost any area of the world and use it to justify murderous irredentism.

The same argument is made by the Palestinians living in Israel who say that Israelis don't deserve to live there because the Arabs were there before them. Well if we go by that argument... That's simply not true because the Israelis were there before the Arabs invaded that region. Btw, to argue that someone's argument is stupid shows ignorance and disrespect.

The difference being that Jews lived in the area thousands of years ago whereas Palestinians in living memory have had land taken from them.

[Genivaria]

About the whole Israeli-Palestinian situation, I'm for the two-state solution, like many people in Indonesia. I'm pro-Palestine for the current conflict, but I'm becoming increasingly troubled by the unending flow of civilian casualties and both sides seemingly being unable to come together and negotiate a ceasefire (that they will faithfully adhere to) on their own rather than waiting for another party to do it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but a lot of people here (Indonesia) only cares (and expecting) the destruction of Israel. Which means that they wanted to see all Israeli flags from Eilat to Southern Lebanon to be replaced with Palestinian flag.

Who gives a shit? Make it an Isratin flag for all I care if it brings peace.

[Dixie]

The difference being that Jews lived in the area thousands of years ago whereas Palestinians in living memory have had land taken from them.

But, uh, didn't God give the land to the Jews?

[Genivaria]

The difference being that Jews lived in the area thousands of years ago whereas Palestinians in living memory have had land taken from them.

But, uh, didn't God give the land to the Jews?

According to the Jews yes, and according to the Muslims THEY were given the land.
Both claims are irrelevant.

[Peachany]

Belgium: 63% of the people in favor for Palestine (Fb)
Slovakia: 72% of the people in favor for Palestine

Hitler got his wish about Belgium and Slovakia.

What do you mean with that...
It's not if you are pro-Palestine, that we are Nazi's...
In fact, most of the supporters in Slovakia and Belgium are Socialists, Catholics, Communists and Liberals

[DogDoo 7]

But, uh, didn't God give the land to the Jews?

According to the Jews yes, and according to the Muslims THEY were given the land.
Both claims are irrelevant.

about the muslim claim, not that it matters, but i've heard people say that the jews are supposed to rule here until all the muslims become really good muslims and then jesus will come and join the muslim army to fight (and kill) the jews.

ya, i'm not really big into the whole religion thing.

[Russian Socialist Soviet States]

Hitler got his wish about Belgium and Slovakia.

What do you mean with that...
It's not if you are pro-Palestine, that we are Nazi's...
In fact, most of the supporters in Slovakia and Belgium are Socialists, Catholics, Communists and Liberals

Hitler loved Arab Muslims.

[Peachany]

What do you mean with that...
It's not if you are pro-Palestine, that we are Nazi's...
In fact, most of the supporters in Slovakia and Belgium are Socialists, Catholics, Communists and Liberals

Hitler loved Arab Muslims.

I'm not against jews!!! But I don't support such of violence against other human kind.

[Genivaria]

Really though I'd say I'm pro-peace more then any loyalty to a country.
Which means I'm not afraid to call out Israel on its bullshit even though I consider them to be a mostly respectable and democratic nation.
Same way I view my own country.

[Dorhaven]

I support Isreal's cause, but not the methods the use to achieve it. Honestly, I'm not really for either side. I'd rather there was a two state solution with some nuetral country keeping order between the two.

[Genivaria]

I support Isreal's cause, but not the methods the use to achieve it. Honestly, I'm not really for either side. I'd rather there was a two state solution with some nuetral country keeping order between the two.

Maybe have an organization backed by the democratic nations in the region to mediate.

[MERIZoC]

I support Isreal's cause, but not the methods the use to achieve it. Honestly, I'm not really for either side. I'd rather there was a two state solution with some nuetral country keeping order between the two.

Just give the entire region to Switzerland.
*nods*

[Souriya Al-Assad]

What do you mean with that...
It's not if you are pro-Palestine, that we are Nazi's...
In fact, most of the supporters in Slovakia and Belgium are Socialists, Catholics, Communists and Liberals

Hitler loved Arab Muslims.

Many Arab Muslims despise Hitler as well. The Palestinian organisations I support all recognise the Holocaust occurred. Syria's dominant party led ruling coalition too is anti-Fascist (Syrian Ba'ath is often called the Left-Wing Ba'ath in the Middle East; Nasserists are also socialistic; & the NPF has Syria's two biggest Communist parties).

Iran's theocratic-socialist government also recognises & condemns the Holocaust. Moreover Hitler was supporting right-wing organisations in the region at his epoch. Let's not generalise the rest, shalt we?

Lastly, Hitler himself is a product of the Havaara Pact.

[Russian Socialist Soviet States]

Hitler loved Arab Muslims.

Many Arab Muslims despise Hitler as well. The Palestinian organisations I support all recognise the Holocaust occurred. Syria's dominant party led ruling coalition too is anti-Fascist (Syrian Ba'ath is often called the Left-Wing Ba'ath in the Middle East; Nasserists are also socialistic; & the NPF has Syria's two biggest Communist parties).

Iran's theocratic-socialist government also recognises & condemns the Holocaust. Moreover Hitler was supporting right-wing organisations in the region at his epoch. Let's not generalise the rest, shalt we?

Lastly, Hitler himself is a product of the Havaara Pact.

If you say so.

[Souriya Al-Assad]

Many Arab Muslims despise Hitler as well. The Palestinian organisations I support all recognise the Holocaust occurred. Syria's dominant party led ruling coalition too is anti-Fascist (Syrian Ba'ath is often called the Left-Wing Ba'ath in the Middle East; Nasserists are also socialistic; & the NPF has Syria's two biggest Communist parties).

Iran's theocratic-socialist government also recognises & condemns the Holocaust. Moreover Hitler was supporting right-wing organisations in the region at his epoch. Let's not generalise the rest, shalt we?

Lastly, Hitler himself is a product of the Havaara Pact.

If you say so.

Most Palestinians I also personally know are most Left-Wing (Economically Communistic/Socialistic) Palestinian Nationalists. They also loathe the GCC neo-Khawarjite régimes as well. Plus are getting tired of both Hamas/Fatah & the Likud régime alike.

[Kassaran]

Hitler got his wish about Belgium and Slovakia.

What do you mean with that...
It's not if you are pro-Palestine, that we are Nazi's...
In fact, most of the supporters in Slovakia and Belgium are Socialists, Catholics, Communists and Liberals

Hitler was a part of the Catholic Church until his Suicide in '45. Hitler was a part of the Nationalist Socialist party... half of your arguments are invalid.

I support Isreal's cause, but not the methods the use to achieve it. Honestly, I'm not really for either side. I'd rather there was a two state solution with some nuetral country keeping order between the two.

Then what of the Six Days War? Israel was founded, then attacked by multiple Arab nations because they felt they didn't deserve even the barren shepherd land they'd been given out of Palestine. Palestine was utterly destroyed and the Palestinian culture trampled underfoot in the massive and frankly unexpected counterattack that would have resulted in the utter destruction of all hostile forces against Israel had they not been told by the UN to settle down and stop beating the shit out of everyone. In fact, they even had to give back a bunch of land they captured. I say if anyone is stupid enough to keep fighting Israel's control of the region, then they are to take full responsibility for their actions and should take the consequences of dealing with a First World Nation by accepting the fact they're going to lose.

[Alyakia]

What do you mean with that...
It's not if you are pro-Palestine, that we are Nazi's...
In fact, most of the supporters in Slovakia and Belgium are Socialists, Catholics, Communists and Liberals

Hitler was a part of the Catholic Church until his Suicide in '45. Hitler was a part of the Nationalist Socialist party... half of your arguments are invalid.

I support Isreal's cause, but not the methods the use to achieve it. Honestly, I'm not really for either side. I'd rather there was a two state solution with some nuetral country keeping order between the two.

Then what of the Six Days War? Israel was founded, then attacked by multiple Arab nations because they felt they didn't deserve even the barren shepherd land they'd been given out of Palestine. Palestine was utterly destroyed and the Palestinian culture trampled underfoot in the massive and frankly unexpected counterattack that would have resulted in the utter destruction of all hostile forces against Israel had they not been told by the UN to settle down and stop beating the shit out of everyone. In fact, they even had to give back a bunch of land they captured. I say if anyone is stupid enough to keep fighting Israel's control of the region, then they are to take full responsibility for their actions and should take the consequences of dealing with a First World Nation by accepting the fact they're going to lose.

i don't think you have your dates or the sequence of events in the six day war right

[South Panem]

I am and continue to be pro-Israel. Most people seem to forget that half of Palestine's government consists of the Hamas, a recognized terrorist organization. Israel has a right to defend itself from the unrelenting barrage of missiles from the Gaza Strip, and when retaliating exercises far more effort to prevent civilian deaths than any other government in the world. When America was targeted by terrorists, they flew half way around the world and invaded two countries, causing the death of over 60,000 civilians. They did not use a knock on the roof method, they did not even warn civilians of pending missile attacks. Did people criticize America as much Israel? Israel remains the target of double-standards and hypocritical criticism. Israel should, and has a right, to exist. They have been indigenous to the region for thousands of years, longer than the Palestinians. Also, Israel IS a secular democracy.

Bull absolute fucking shit.

Perhaps you could elaborate upon your remark, instead of perpetuating a very broad statement that is not backed by any arguments.

[Genivaria]

I am and continue to be pro-Israel. Most people seem to forget that half of Palestine's government partly consists of the Hamas, a recognized terrorist organization. Israel has a right to defend itself from the unrelenting barrage of missiles from the Gaza Strip, and when retaliating exercises far more effort to prevent civilian deaths than any other government in the world. When America was targeted by terrorists, they flew half way around the world and invaded two countries, causing the death of over 60,000 civilians. They did not use a knock on the roof method, they did not even warn civilians of pending missile attacks. But did people even bat an eye? No. Israel remains the target of double-standards and hypocritical criticism. Israel should, and has a right, to exist. [b]They have been indigenous to the region for thousands of years, longer than the Palestinians[/b. Also, Israel IS a secular democracy.

So the fact that Jews once lived there thousands of years ago makes it okay to bulldoze and occupy the homes of people that are living there TODAY?
Do the rights of Palestinians matter less then those of Israelis?