Are you Pro Palestine or Israel

[The Rich Port]

Or, even more strangely, have been around for years and have only begun to post recently in this thread.

My guess is a few people using gameplay puppets or something so their main account doesn't get associated with whatever their posting.

You would think people wouldn't have to hide behind masks if they are proud and confident enough in their ideals to support their ideals.

[Alcase]

... Has anyone else noticed all of the new people that are all of a sudden signing up?

You mean like the thousands of other days people have been signing up for this game?

Hm... So suspicious now that people are all of a sudden signing up to play this game!

[The Rich Port]

... Has anyone else noticed all of the new people that are all of a sudden signing up?

You mean like the thousands of other days people have been signing up for this game?

Hm... So suspicious now that people are all of a sudden signing up to play this game!

I meant to post in this thread.

[Keyboard Warriors]

My guess is a few people using gameplay puppets or something so their main account doesn't get associated with whatever their posting.

You would think people wouldn't have to hide behind masks if they are proud and confident enough in their ideals to support their ideals.

You wouldn't, but given the hit and run posting and the obviously trollish one liner remarks that these threads are littered with I'm not surprised people feel the need to hide their identity.

[Christiaanistan]

That's your story, and spare me the crocodile-tears. You don't care about the children--you care about your ideology.

there's a video of it happening.

I'm not finding the video in question, and I ask that you repost it, please.

or you could keep making excuses.

Do you realize how many Palestinians would die if Israel were to stop providing them with medical care, food, supplies, electricity and water? Accidents happen, but Israel saves more Palestinian lives than ever get injured in these strikes. From what you are saying, which I have to go by for lack of a video, it sounds like an incident involving robotically guided missiles, but it's hard to tell.

[Keyboard Warriors]

there's a video of it happening.

I'm not finding the video in question, and I ask that you repost it, please.

or you could keep making excuses.

Do you realize how many Palestinians would die if Israel were to stop providing them with medical care, food, supplies, electricity and water?

Maybe you could tell us? Israel fuck around with Palestine's utilities and aid shipments all the time.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/ ... lestinians
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -Gaza.html
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/182706

[Diakhopol]

Pro... both. Palestinians deserve a state too, but Hamas is a bunch of terrorists. Peace and freedom to Palestine and Israel!

[Union of Socialist European Republics]

Certainly not, Israel kills people. I'm not Palestine, but I know it. Europe is against Israel now, so I hope America will join us against Israel

That would be the new Axis powers against Israel. Palestine is to not be supported as they are authoritarian racists.

Do you actually not see that Israel is way more fascist? The Apartheid regime in Israel is far worse than the Hamas. You say they're nazi sympathisants only because they agreed in the past with a few things Hitler did? Look at history, Hitler actually did good things too.

I hope you don't call yourself a communist or I shall be ashamed. We always take the anti-imperialist side...

[Alyakia]

there's a video of it happening.

I'm not finding the video in question, and I ask that you repost it, please.

or you could keep making excuses.

Do you realize how many Palestinians would die if Israel were to stop providing them with medical care, food, supplies, electricity and water? Accidents happen, but Israel saves more Palestinian lives than ever get injured in these strikes.

we can post videos of "hamas rocket hits tree, mildly inconveniences cat" but it's against NS rules to post videos of people getting blown up so we can't post the majority of gaza videos and if you can't find it you're shit out of luck i'm afraid

do you realize that the reason israel needs to provide them with medical care, food, supplies, electricity and water is because of the israeli blockade?

e: it was a boat

[Washington Resistance Army]

That would be the new Axis powers against Israel. Palestine is to not be supported as they are authoritarian racists.

Do you actually not see that Israel is way more fascist? The Apartheid regime in Israel is far worse than the Hamas. You say they're nazi sympathisants only because they agreed in the past with a few things Hitler did? Look at history, Hitler actually did good things too.

Don't bother, he doesn't even know what fascism nor national socialism is.

[Peachany]

If you are PRO-Israel in this conflict, you must watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWyGlTDkT5A

Israel is anti-democratic, anti-freedom of speech.

[The Rich Port]

You would think people wouldn't have to hide behind masks if they are proud and confident enough in their ideals to support their ideals.

You wouldn't, but given the hit and run posting and the obviously trollish one liner remarks that these threads are littered with I'm not surprised people feel the need to hide their identity.

I guess that makes sense. Nobody would want to out themselves as ignorant and delusional and part of the problem of the evils of mankind that have plagued it for millenia.

[Christiaanistan]

I'm not finding the video in question, and I ask that you repost it, please.

Do you realize how many Palestinians would die if Israel were to stop providing them with medical care, food, supplies, electricity and water?

Maybe you could tell us? Israel fuck around with Palestine's utilities and aid shipments all the time.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/ ... lestinians
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -Gaza.html
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/182706

Israel PROVIDES their utilities, FOR FREE, which they don't even do for their own people, and Israel routinely sends them humanitarian aid.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/ ... 86qGrEvFUQ

Thanks to people like you, who will not give any external support for Israel's leftists, now the Likud Nazis and their ilk are talking about cutting it off.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/ ... 86p47EvFUQ

[Keyboard Warriors]

Maybe you could tell us? Israel fuck around with Palestine's utilities and aid shipments all the time.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/ ... lestinians
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -Gaza.html
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/182706

Israel PROVIDES their utilities, and Israel routinely sends them humanitarian aid.

I think you're missing the point. You see, they're not just giving their utilities and aid, their "giving" them on the provision that Israel can turn them off seemingly whenever they feel like. Now, I'm sure you've felt the minor inconvenience of a blackout, hopefully you've never had to experience the sheer fright which comes with turning on a tap to find no water, so I'm sure you can appreciate how dickish this really is. See, nobody gives a fuck if Israel supplies utilities if it's just another way for them to fuck with people.

Thanks to people like you, who will not give any external support for Israel's leftists,

Seriously? I've supported Israel how many times in this thread? I'm not sure about you but "external support" doesn't mean putting Israel's metaphorical dick in my mouth and swallowing whatever load gets dumped there. When Israel fucks up, they can be criticized for it like everybody else.

[Eleutheria]

I think a point borrowed from Christopher Hitchens, that Israel's Proportional representation and the series of coalitions in both Israel and Palestine (though the latter hasn't had a serious election since 2006) has granted "the parties of god" be they Islamist or Ultra-Zionist the power to veto any attempt at reconciliation, despite the fact that most parties, and a majority of both populations, support a two state solution. I'd predict that if Israel moved to first past the post and we saw a Likud, a Labor, or a Yesh Atid (especially) majority government then real change could be achieved without the gridlock caused by appeasing competing, sectional, extreme coalition interests in both nations. It'd be much hardest to achieve such a consensus around a party in Palestine simply because it would require a Fatah-Hamas alliance in the short term to be achieved which isn't going to happen any time soon, the onus then is on Israel to take the first step.

That said I'm optimistic atm that even in the current appalling D'Hondt system which grants voices to unpalatable minority sectarian opinions like The Jewish Home party who have a hand in government with only 9% of the vote, there is still a chance we could push out these sectarians, especially if Yesh Atid keeps on gaining it could easily grow to replace such extremes in a coalition with either Likud or even Labor. I think a coalition that was basically just Likud and Yesh Atid could achieve something closer to peace than has ever been seen before.

So more than being anti-Hamas, and pro-Israel, and pro-Two State solution, I'm anti-proportional representation for making compromise of principle a political necessity between parties, and conversely compromise towards peace an impossibility between nations.

[Calimera II]

Palestine is more like Nazi Germany.

Certainly not, Israel kills people. I'm not Palestine, but I know it. Europe is against Israel now, so I hope America will join us against Israel

Europe is not against Israel. Almost no European country even recognizes Israel.

Cameron, Rutte, Merkel, Obama all said they support Israel.

[Nervium]

If this continues there's no other option, the Holy Land must become a Papal State.

It's the only sensible solution.
I learned this from playing alot of strategy games.

[Christiaanistan]

Israel PROVIDES their utilities, and Israel routinely sends them humanitarian aid.

I think you're missing the point. You see, they're not just giving their utilities and aid, their "giving" them on the provision that Israel can turn them off seemingly whenever they feel like. Now, I'm sure you've felt the minor inconvenience of a blackout, hopefully you've never had to experience the sheer fright which comes with turning on a tap to find no water, so I'm sure you can appreciate how dickish this really is. See, nobody gives a fuck if Israel supplies utilities if it's just another way for them to fuck with people.

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I would have to take some pretty hard drugs to manage that sort of rationalization.

Hamas fires rockets at civilian populations in Israel. Israel responds, understandably, with military force. Some children get caught in the crossfire, partly because of the fact that Hamas deliberately placed children between themselves and their targets, and in your mind, Israel was really taking potshots at little kids as some sick form of entertainment or something. [sarcasm]After all, everyone knows that those kikes are child-murderers who eat children for breakfast[/sarcasm].

Israel supplies the Palestinians with power and water, sends them humanitarian aid and treats them, FOR FREE, in their hospitals, at their expense. Somehow, you interpret this as "being dickish," through some logical gymnastics that HURT MY BRAIN TO EVEN THINK ABOUT.

Thanks to people like you, who will not give any external support for Israel's leftists,

Seriously? I've supported Israel how many times in this thread? I'm not sure about you but "external support" doesn't mean putting Israel's metaphorical dick in my mouth and swallowing whatever load gets dumped there. When Israel fucks up, they can be criticized for it like everybody else.

The point
Your head.

If Labor loses the next round of Israeli elections, then I am going to just tune out this entire issue, and we'll let them just fucking die until the god damn Semites manage to figure out on their own how to behave like adults. I will just chill out on a porch swing, here in the American southeast, eating blueberry pie with ice cream and sipping whiskey, because I don't have to give a shit about their problems. I have the know-how and the resources to live off-the-grid, and I just might do that, build a fence around me, and just maybe shoot anyone who sets foot on my land. A world full of people who think in the asinine black-and-white terms that you do is not something that I can deal with.

I'm a supporter of Israel and dearly love their culture, but I am also a leftist and feel that their current government is not the thing for them, although it is their duty to decide what is best for them, not mine. I am an American Southerner and ask people to respect my region's heritage and symbols rather than reducing it to some mistakes we made long ago, but I am also more liberal than most of the Democratic party. To the black-and-white thinker, I am a riddle of contradictions. To someone who can handle the idea that some people's way of thinking is askew, not right, left or "center," my ideals are very simple to understand.

That is why I understand the situation of those people in Israel who have compassion for the Palestinians and still believe in the idea of using reason before force. It must be hard.

[Alyakia]

Certainly not, Israel kills people. I'm not Palestine, but I know it. Europe is against Israel now, so I hope America will join us against Israel

Europe is not against Israel. Almost no European country even recognizes Israel.

Cameron, Rutte, Merkel, Obama all said they support Israel.

the people of every country in europe do not agree with their leaders.

http://i.imgur.com/uKDGSjG.jpg

[Calimera II]

Europe is not against Israel. Almost no European country even recognizes Israel.

Cameron, Rutte, Merkel, Obama all said they support Israel.

the people of every country in europe do not agree with their leaders.

http://i.imgur.com/uKDGSjG.jpg

No. Israel's influence =/= Being positive towards Israel in general and its policies.

And it's outdated.

[Calimera II]

Europe is not against Israel. Almost no European country even recognizes Israel.

Cameron, Rutte, Merkel, Obama all said they support Israel.

the people of every country in europe do not agree with their leaders.

http://i.imgur.com/uKDGSjG.jpg

Here you see how much the outcome differs when you change the question.

[Alyakia]

the people of every country in europe do not agree with their leaders.

http://i.imgur.com/uKDGSjG.jpg

No. Israel's influence =/= Being positive towards Israel in general and its policies.

And it's outdated.

do you think something massive has happened between now and 2012 to make everyone love israel?

i also don't know how you can say israels influence and israels policies are different. do you think "sure most people think iran has a negative influence but that doesn't mean they might not be positive towards iran in general and its policies" is a reasonable statement?

this is a bit older

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 237277.stm

but oh god lol

the people of every country in europe do not agree with their leaders.

http://i.imgur.com/uKDGSjG.jpg

Here you see how much the outcome differs when you change the question.

that's the united states not europe. it was already clear from the poll that the untied states is the only western country with a favourable opinion of israel.

[Peachany]

Certainly not, Israel kills people. I'm not Palestine, but I know it. Europe is against Israel now, so I hope America will join us against Israel

Europe is not against Israel. Almost no European country even recognizes Israel.

Cameron, Rutte, Merkel, Obama all said they support Israel.

The leaders, but not the people.

[Calimera II]

Here you see how much the outcome differs when you change the question.

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that's the united states not europe. it was already clear from the poll that the untied states is the only western country with a favourable opinion of israel.

50% =/= 70%.
There is a big difference, really.

[Calimera II]

Europe is not against Israel. Almost no European country even recognizes Israel.

Cameron, Rutte, Merkel, Obama all said they support Israel.

The leaders, but not the people.

Not the case in many nations, here a dutch article: http://www.dagelijksestandaard.nl/2013/ ... aan-isra-l

Dutch just want more support for Israel

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A striking outcome of a recent representative survey among the Dutch population: many Dutch feel that the Netherlands should give Israel more support, way more support than to the Palestinians.

The survey was conducted among 4200 people, on the occasion of the 40th anniversary of the CIDI and the farewell on 11 November of Director Ronny Naftaniel.

Most respondents (33%) believe that the Netherlands both parties should be treated equally. Nevertheless, 16% that the Netherlands should give to Israel than to the Palestinians more support. Only 9% think the other way around: that the Netherlands should support the Palestinians. Another 36% believe that the Netherlands should step aside.