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Are you Pro Palestine or Israel and Do you support Hamas or Not

Pro Palestine
357
28%
Pro Isael
341
27%
Neutral
160
13%
I don't really give a fuck
98
8%
Pro Hamas
26
2%
You don't support Hamas
257
20%
Whatever
37
3%
 
Total votes : 1276

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MERIZoC
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Founded: Dec 05, 2013
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Postby MERIZoC » Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:48 am

Calimera II wrote:
Merizoc wrote:RSSS was.

Then it should be aimed at RSSS and not at me. As example, I am not going to debate with you about something you didn't said.

…you entered yourself into that little debate.

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Christiaanistan
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Posts: 747
Founded: Jun 19, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Christiaanistan » Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:49 am

Alyakia wrote:
Christiaanistan wrote:Anytime you conduct military operations near civilian populations, for the purpose of attempting to deter your enemy from firing upon you, you are using human beings as shields. You are forcing your enemy to put civilian lives at risk in order to defend themselves from assault.


shame there were no military operations on the beach in either incident :-(
That's your story, and spare me the crocodile-tears. You don't care about the children--you care about your ideology.
I just might move to Calabash and start pretending that the rest of the world sank to the bottom of the ocean.

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MERIZoC
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Founded: Dec 05, 2013
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Postby MERIZoC » Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:49 am

South Panem wrote:I am and continue to be pro-Israel. Most people seem to forget that half of Palestine's government consists of the Hamas, a recognized terrorist organization. Israel has a right to defend itself from the unrelenting barrage of missiles from the Gaza Strip, and when retaliating exercises far more effort to prevent civilian deaths than any other government in the world. When America was targeted by terrorists, they flew half way around the world and invaded two countries, causing the death of over 60,000 civilians. They did not use a knock on the roof method, they did not even warn civilians of pending missile attacks. But did people even bat an eye? No. Israel remains the target of double-standards and hypocritical criticism. Israel should, and has a right, to exist. They have been indigenous to the region for thousands of years, longer than the Palestinians. Also, Israel IS a secular democracy.

Bull absolute fucking shit.

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Vamtrl
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Posts: 1990
Founded: Oct 11, 2013
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Postby Vamtrl » Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:49 am

The Rich Port wrote:I find it really sad people are ignorant enough to split sides in this way.

This isn't goddamn American Idol.


"ignorant" HA!

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Alyakia
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Founded: Jul 12, 2011
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Postby Alyakia » Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:51 am

The Rich Port wrote:I find it really sad people are ignorant enough to split sides in this way.

This isn't goddamn American Idol.


it's a shame. if it wasn't for american public support we'd probably have sorted this shit out by now.

http://i.imgur.com/uKDGSjG.jpg

Christiaanistan wrote:
Alyakia wrote:
shame there were no military operations on the beach in either incident :-(
That's your story, and spare me the crocodile-tears. You don't care about the children--you care about your ideology.


there's a video of it happening. feel free to look it up and point out the rockets to me and explain why they adjusted their aim to hit the children as they fled. or you could keep making excuses.
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anti: bad

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Keyboard Warriors
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Founded: Mar 17, 2014
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Postby Keyboard Warriors » Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:52 am

Christiaanistan wrote:
Alyakia wrote:
shame there were no military operations on the beach in either incident :-(
That's your story, and spare me the crocodile-tears. You don't care about the children--you care about your ideology.

An ideology of children not being shot.
Yes.

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Avoxlia
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Founded: Jun 09, 2014
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Postby Avoxlia » Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:53 am

I'm for a two state solution but Palestine must recognise Israel as well as vice versa. The next best solution is the federlisation of the region with the Gaza Strip and the West Bank becoming autonomous regions of Israel, although I doubt that idea be popular.

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MERIZoC
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Founded: Dec 05, 2013
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Postby MERIZoC » Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:54 am

Avoxlia wrote:I'm for a two state solution but Palestine must recognise Israel as well as vice versa. The next best solution is the federlisation of the region with the Gaza Strip and the West Bank becoming autonomous regions of Israel, although I doubt that idea be popular.

No, that idea wouldn't be popular at all, and in my opinion it's an awful solution. The only good solution is a two-state one. All the others suck.

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Aldenineveh
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Posts: 3
Founded: Jul 15, 2014
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Postby Aldenineveh » Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:56 am

Israel is fake. The victims became murders!! AND AMERICA SUPPORTS THEM!!! ISRAEL IS Fake!!

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Russian Socialist Soviet States
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Posts: 4493
Founded: Apr 09, 2014
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Postby Russian Socialist Soviet States » Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:56 am

Aldenineveh wrote:Israel is fake. The victims became murders!! AND AMERICA SUPPORTS THEM!!! ISRAEL IS Fake!!

Palestine is more like Nazi Germany.
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Aldenineveh
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Posts: 3
Founded: Jul 15, 2014
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Postby Aldenineveh » Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:57 am

Russian Socialist Soviet States wrote:
Aldenineveh wrote:Israel is fake. The victims became murders!! AND AMERICA SUPPORTS THEM!!! ISRAEL IS Fake!!

Palestine is more like Nazi Germany.

Certainly not, Israel kills people. I'm not Palestine, but I know it. Europe is against Israel now, so I hope America will join us against Israel :)
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Christiaanistan
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Founded: Jun 19, 2014
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Postby Christiaanistan » Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:58 am

Alexzanabbgggggg wrote:I do not fee; bad for Hamas,
I feel bad for them. I wish that there were a way to talk sense into them, but they are about as impossible to reason with as my idiot Puritan ancestors, who nigh about ruint themselves coming over to the water moccasin-infested New World. My ancestors did idiotic things in the name of the same type of religious zealotry, and so are Hamas today. They are my brothers, but they are on a dark path.

I feel bad for the people who are being blown up by another country.
Well, there are left-leaning organizations in Israel who are putting up one hell of an outcry over it, not that you've ever given them any moral support or even bothered trying to learn anything about them. There are also relatively liberal Israelis who have a soft-Zionist outlook who would be compatible with more reasonable compromise than the current government, but people don't seem to care about the fact that they exist. Did you know that there were human rights organizations in Israel who are actually making legitimate charges against IDF forces? Do you know anything about them?

You don't because you don't want there to be a solution. You care about your ideology first, people second, so spare me your fucking crocodile-tears. There are good people in Israel who could use your moral support, damn it, or at least recognition of their existence.
I just might move to Calabash and start pretending that the rest of the world sank to the bottom of the ocean.

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MERIZoC
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Founded: Dec 05, 2013
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Postby MERIZoC » Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:58 am

Russian Socialist Soviet States wrote:
Aldenineveh wrote:Israel is fake. The victims became murders!! AND AMERICA SUPPORTS THEM!!! ISRAEL IS Fake!!

Palestine is more like Nazi Germany.

Oh, not this again. For one, Palestine isn't killing all the Jews and brown people. Because, y'know, that kind of makes up their entire population. For another, they have elections. And finally, they haven't invaded anyone, and established an empire.

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Aldenineveh
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Posts: 3
Founded: Jul 15, 2014
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Postby Aldenineveh » Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:59 am

Israel is commiting crimes! And America is irritating Russia...

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Basseemia
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Posts: 2226
Founded: Sep 24, 2013
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Postby Basseemia » Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:59 am

As a Palestinian I can proudly say I'm one billion percent pro-Palestine but one trillion percent anti-Hamas
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Russian Socialist Soviet States
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Founded: Apr 09, 2014
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Postby Russian Socialist Soviet States » Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:59 am

Aldenineveh wrote:
Russian Socialist Soviet States wrote:Palestine is more like Nazi Germany.

Certainly not, Israel kills people. I'm not Palestine, but I know it. Europe is against Israel now, so I hope America will join us against Israel :)

That would be the new Axis powers against Israel. Palestine is to not be supported as they are authoritarian racists.
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Allector
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Postby Allector » Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:59 am

I'm pro Palestine. Always have been, always will. That does not mean however, that I am supportive of Hamas. Yes, their intentions may be noble, but they are still a terrorist organization.

That being said, I honestly do not see any solution that's going to leave everyone happy. Lord knows that Israel will not accept a two-state solution OR a secular single state solution. And, for that matter, neither will Palestine.
Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.

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The Rich Port
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Postby The Rich Port » Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:01 am

... Has anyone else noticed all of the new people that are all of a sudden signing up and posting in this thread?
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Keyboard Warriors
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Postby Keyboard Warriors » Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:01 am

Allector wrote:Yes, their intentions may be noble, but they are still a terrorist organization

Regarding Hamas, it's their intentions which make them a terrorist organization. Both them and Fatah want a liberated Palestine, but Fatah wants co-existence with Israel while Hamas does not.
Yes.

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Keyboard Warriors
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Postby Keyboard Warriors » Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:02 am

The Rich Port wrote:... Has anyone else noticed all of the new people that are all of a sudden signing up?

Just to post in this thread? Say it ain't so!
Yes.

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MERIZoC
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Founded: Dec 05, 2013
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Postby MERIZoC » Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:02 am

The Rich Port wrote:... Has anyone else noticed all of the new people that are all of a sudden signing up?

…No.

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Avoxlia
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Founded: Jun 09, 2014
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Postby Avoxlia » Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:02 am

Merizoc wrote:
Avoxlia wrote:I'm for a two state solution but Palestine must recognise Israel as well as vice versa. The next best solution is the federlisation of the region with the Gaza Strip and the West Bank becoming autonomous regions of Israel, although I doubt that idea be popular.

No, that idea wouldn't be popular at all, and in my opinion it's an awful solution. The only good solution is a two-state one. All the others suck.


I was thinking of Bosnia and Herzegovina as the model for a Federal Israel-Palestinian state with the Bosniaks, Serbs and Croats living together. Although Bosnia isn't a model state either due to the ethnic conflict there.

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The Rich Port
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Founded: Jul 29, 2008
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Postby The Rich Port » Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:03 am

Keyboard Warriors wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:... Has anyone else noticed all of the new people that are all of a sudden signing up?

Just to post in this thread? Say it ain't so!


Or, even more strangely, have been around for years and have only begun to post recently in this thread.
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Keyboard Warriors
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Founded: Mar 17, 2014
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Postby Keyboard Warriors » Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:04 am

The Rich Port wrote:
Keyboard Warriors wrote:Just to post in this thread? Say it ain't so!


Or, even more strangely, have been around for years and have only begun to post recently in this thread.

My guess is a few people using gameplay puppets or something so their main account doesn't get associated with whatever their posting.
Yes.

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Peachany
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Founded: Jul 14, 2014
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Postby Peachany » Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:06 am

Calimera II wrote:
Peachany wrote:Israel commited crimes agaist humanity.
I'm against any sort of violence!! Stop Israelian Imperialism!

If take your claim to be true, does it make Palestine crimes good?

Yes, but Israel is invading Innocent people's land, they stole their lands...
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