Sea Shepherd vs Whalers battle goes high tech

[F1-Insanity]

Those sea shepherd guys are dicks.

^this

I support the Japanese, and the others should have just a little more respect for Japan's culture.

Notice how many folks that oppose whaling want to force their western/ethical supremacist/monocultural ideas upon the Japanese?

I don't give a crap 'bout stupid ass whales anyway.

Norway and Japan have been dragging their feet on the whaling issue for a very long time without particularly good reason. Neither country in any way needs to whale; they just have a domestic market for whale meat and don't want to knuckle to Greenpeace. If sale or trade of whale products harvested for "scientific" purposes was banned, you'd probably see Japanese "research" whaling disappear within a couple years at the most.

Cultural supremacism, eh? What makes your ideas better or morally superior to theirs?

[South Norwega]

Those sea shepherd guys are dicks.

^this

I support the Japanese, and the others should have just a little more respect for Japan's culture.

Notice how many folks that oppose whaling want to force their western/ethical supremacist/monocultural ideas upon the Japanese?

I don't give a crap 'bout stupid ass whales anyway.

I support this, as long as whales can be hunted sustainably. We can't have them going extinct, now can we?

[F1-Insanity]

I support this, as long as whales can be hunted sustainably. We can't have them going extinct, now can we?

Why not? Is there a law that says species are not allowed to go extinct?

If so, then it was probably drawn up by the same people who claim that climate change isn't a natural phenomenon anymore, ie morans.

[Yootopia]

Those sea shepherd guys are dicks.

I support the Japanese, and the others should have just a little more respect for Japan's culture.

I dunno, their working somewhat hard and driving on the proper side of the road I respect. Fuck the Japanese on this issue.

[Yootopia]

I support this, as long as whales can be hunted sustainably. We can't have them going extinct, now can we?

Why not? Is there a law that says species are not allowed to go extinct?

If so, then it was probably drawn up by the same people who claim that climate change isn't a natural phenomenon anymore, ie morans.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

I would go out on the Sea Shepherd if given the opportunity and help them. But not because I want to save the whales

[The Valepian Lands]

I would go out on the Sea Shepherd if given the opportunity and help them. But not because I want to save the whales

To throw butter at annoyed Whalers?

[Fartsniffage]

I would go out on the Sea Shepherd if given the opportunity and help them. But not because I want to save the whales

To throw butter at annoyed Whalers?

To ride in Batman's boat.

[Non Aligned States]

I would go out on the Sea Shepherd if given the opportunity and help them. But not because I want to save the whales

To throw butter at annoyed Whalers?

To ride in Batman's boat.

Bad idea that. Batman will show up sooner or later, give the crew a good walloping and dump them overboard with life preservers tied to the boat as he speeds off.

[Ifreann]

I support this, as long as whales can be hunted sustainably. We can't have them going extinct, now can we?

Why not? Is there a law that says species are not allowed to go extinct?

Obviously not, but since when is "culture" a good enough reason for wiping out a species?

If so, then it was probably drawn up by the same people who claim that climate change isn't a natural phenomenon anymore, ie morans.

Cute.

[Blouman Empire]

They're using those research permits to continue commercial harvests of whales. That contavenes the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora (CITES).

So the japanese are researching how they taste. Fact it they have the permits.

I say they are researching the whales. And then saying well the whale is dead, why not follow the rules of waste not want not.

I think that according to the IWC treaty, any whale taken for scientific research can't be wasted.

There you go the Japanese have a legal obligation to eat those whales.
In fact I will make a trip to go help them fulfill their obligation because whale meat taste good.

And you accept this without a source?

[Blouman Empire]

I hardly think so. I have no idea how Japan interprets its own body of international law, but they seem to believe that they are doing nothing wrong under the treaty apparently. If it was illegal, they wouldn't be doing it, would they?

Did you really just ask this question?

Do you really think governments don't do things illegally simply because they are illegal?

[Blouman Empire]

So many Generalites remind of of Nelson Muntz.

Gotta nuke something.

[Gauthier]

I would go out on the Sea Shepherd if given the opportunity and help them. But not because I want to save the whales

To throw butter at annoyed Whalers?

To ride in Batman's boat.

Bad idea that. Batman will show up sooner or later, give the crew a good walloping and dump them overboard with life preservers tied to the boat as he speeds off.

Hell, the crew might just skip the walloping and jump overboard with life preservers tied to the boat. Hell, if I was with the Shepherds and found out Batman was aboard I'd do that.

[South Norwega]

I would go out on the Sea Shepherd if given the opportunity and help them. But not because I want to save the whales

To throw butter at annoyed Whalers?

To ride in Batman's boat.

Bad idea that. Batman will show up sooner or later, give the crew a good walloping and dump them overboard with life preservers tied to the boat as he speeds off.

Hell, the crew might just skip the walloping and jump overboard with life preservers tied to the boat. Hell, if I was with the Shepherds and found out Batman was aboard I'd do that.

They'd probably rather try to conserve him. Batman is unique, and thus an endangered species, you know...

[Haken Rider]

I support this, as long as whales can be hunted sustainably. We can't have them going extinct, now can we?

Why not? Is there a law that says species are not allowed to go extinct?

[-snip-]

1) You support whaling, because it's part of Japanese culture and it should be preserved.

2) You support whaling because you don't mind whales going extinct.


So... you're just debating with yourself?

[Gauthier]

I would go out on the Sea Shepherd if given the opportunity and help them. But not because I want to save the whales

To throw butter at annoyed Whalers?

To ride in Batman's boat.

Bad idea that. Batman will show up sooner or later, give the crew a good walloping and dump them overboard with life preservers tied to the boat as he speeds off.

Hell, the crew might just skip the walloping and jump overboard with life preservers tied to the boat. Hell, if I was with the Shepherds and found out Batman was aboard I'd do that.

They'd probably rather try to conserve him. Batman is unique, and thus an endangered species, you know...

Which is brilliant as trying to conserve the only known live megalodon.

[Blouman Empire]

I support this, as long as whales can be hunted sustainably. We can't have them going extinct, now can we?

Why not? Is there a law that says species are not allowed to go extinct?

[-snip-]

1) You support whaling, because it's part of Japanese culture and it should be preserved.

2) You support whaling because you don't mind whales going extinct.


So... you're just debating with yourself?

Why should culture and tradition always be allowed to overrule everything?

The good thing about the Japanese government is that they are starting to admit they aren't doing it for scientific research but rather because they want to eat it and now coming up with crap about culture.

[Greed and Death]

I support this, as long as whales can be hunted sustainably. We can't have them going extinct, now can we?

Why not? Is there a law that says species are not allowed to go extinct?

[-snip-]

1) You support whaling, because it's part of Japanese culture and it should be preserved.

2) You support whaling because you don't mind whales going extinct.


So... you're just debating with yourself?

The Japanese are hunting the whales in a sustainable manner.
Extinction is not a threat.

[Haken Rider]

I support this, as long as whales can be hunted sustainably. We can't have them going extinct, now can we?

Why not? Is there a law that says species are not allowed to go extinct?

[-snip-]

1) You support whaling, because it's part of Japanese culture and it should be preserved.

2) You support whaling because you don't mind whales going extinct.


So... you're just debating with yourself?

The Japanese are hunting the whales in a sustainable manner.
Extinction is not a threat.

Yes, I know, and so are other countries (Norway, Island, Canada,...), but the way he put those two arguments together, it just seems like he doesn't really care and just tries to be argumentative.

[Jingoist Hippostan]

I don't see why the whalers don't just fuck the sea shepard guys up already. What with this, and the acid throwing incident, they're pretty much asking for it.

[Lackadaisical2]

The Japanese are hunting the whales in a sustainable manner.
Extinction is not a threat.

Well, fuck. Who cares then? We ought to get in on some of that whale meaty-goodness then. I want some

[Greed and Death]

The Japanese are hunting the whales in a sustainable manner.
Extinction is not a threat.

Well, fuck. Who cares then? We ought to get in on some of that whale meaty-goodness then. I want some

If commercial fishing resumed the total number of whales taken would likely be less. Because it would get more political over the quotas. And European countries with objections to whaling could get quotas but not use them.
since however it is research the Japanese can take as many as their scientist say is safe.

[Tahar Joblis]

Cultural supremacism, eh? What makes your ideas better or morally superior to theirs?

Two things. One, whale-hunting techniques are cruel. Two, whales are smart as fuck.

It's not an issue of cultural supremacism to say that hunting great apes for "bush meat" is reprehensible; nor is it an issue of cultural supremacism to say that whaling is reprehensible. It's not a question of traditional cooking and whether this or that meat is healthy or tasty; it's a question of what makes an animal worthy of protection. To say that high intelligence does so, or that unnecessary cruelty to things that feel pain should be avoided, is not a culturally specific assertion.

There is good reason why almost every nation on Earth was willing to sign onto a moratorium on whaling. It is not because Laos, New Zealand, Russia, Kenya, China, Ghana, Peru, India, Brazil, the United States, and the other IWC nations share a common culture; it is because there is a very strong cross-cultural argument against whaling. A number of these nations even had traditional whaling as part of their culture for a long time. Whaling represented one of the major economic activities of New England, back in the day.

The only thing that makes whaling even remotely excusable is the question of necessity for survival - us or them. And the nations persisting in whaling are not poor countries, so that's not a very applicable excuse (unlike with the hunting of "bush meat," which is generally carried out by some of the poorest people on Earth.)

[Severket]

Whaling could be done sustainably. after all they are a good source of food and its no less cruel than farming pigs and cows just to be killed.

What should be done is rather than trying to keep one side happy we should be making both sides happy by setting up a sustainable whaling plan