Sea Shepherd vs Whalers battle goes high tech

[Philimbesi]

Nah Bob Barker's the real deal, he's been advocating the forceful Castration and Tubal ligation of cats and dogs for years.

[Natapoc]

Nah Bob Barker's the real deal, he's been advocating then forceful Castration and Tubal ligation of cats and dogs for years.

From the way you phrased this It sounds like you object to sterilization of dogs and cats. Do you have a reason for that?

[Philimbesi]

Well, it's pretty much Humans dictating which cats and dogs are allowed to breed and which ones aren't right. I mean we kill or sterilze the ones we can't take care of rather than letting nature take its course, but the animals we can make a profit off of it's ok to leave their reproductive systems intact right? Seems almost as nasty as hunting animals for... food...

[Natapoc]

Well, it's pretty much Humans dictating which cats and dogs are allowed to breed and which ones aren't right. I mean we kill or sterilze the ones we can't take care of rather than letting nature take its course, but the animals we can make a profit off of it's ok to leave their reproductive systems intact right? Seems almost as nasty as hunting animals for... food...

This would be correct except that in the case of cats and dogs humans are already dictating the entire lives: each and every experience of these animals. I am fairly confident that most animals would far prefer to be castrated than shot and eaten.

Far more important is to stop breading them.

[Philimbesi]

I don't disagree, never said the argument was bulletproof, and truthfully my comment about Barker was 99.9% tongue in cheek, I'm hardly either an animal rights or hunter rights activist. I'm much more of a human rights activist. If I could be classified as any activist.

[Lackadaisical2]

I'm watching the video, and the engines on the SS boat look like they're idling at 5 seconds and going forward at 13 with continued acceleration through impact.

The second video makes it quite clear.

That the SS boat and the Whaler are both turning into each other? That's what I got out of it.

Thats what I'm seeing too, it looks like the SS boat is accelerating into the Whaling vessel.
I'd probably be a bit easily to tell whats going on exactly if the waters were calmer.

[Greed and Death]

I did watch your video, the SS boat doesn't even make an attempt to get out of the way, and its bow is pointing in the direction of the whalers, if they had rammed them head on like you say they tried to the SS boat would have been split in half not just have the tip of its bow shattered.

SS is full of idiots who have no business crewing vessels on the ocean

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1b8YCxJiIc

The reactions and expressions of the SS crew members are priceless

Wrong video. Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_KnBKri ... r_embedded

At 5 seconds in, look at the rear of the SS boat. You can clearly see the engines starting to reverse. It's even clearer at 15 seconds, when the Japanese ship veers into the reverse.

I'm watching the video, and the engines on the SS boat look like they're idling at 5 seconds and going forward at 13 with continued acceleration through impact.

Given the waves it is hard to tell if there is an intentional turn in either boat.
Though good boating is to avoid being that close to a vector of a speeding boat to begin with.

[Gun Manufacturers]

Power driven vessels are supposed to give way to a vessel engaged in fishing (according to section 2, rule 18 of the International Regulations for Avoiding Collisions at Sea). I guess the captain of the Ady Gil is at fault after all.

[New Ziedrich]

How terrible that the Earthrace should meet its end this way. That boat was really something special.

[Soratsin]

Kind of off-topic, but the vast majority of the whales being killed by the Japanese whaling fleet are minke whales, which aren't endangered.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 5-2006.svg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minke_whale

The other species such as sperm and Bryde's whales are also not on the endangered list.

So my question is, why is the fishing of non-endangered whale species such a vile criminal act that it justifies sabotage and pirate-like activities whereas the fishing of endangered/vulnerable species, such as tuna, is not?

[Philimbesi]

So my question is, why is the fishing of non-endangered whale species such a vile criminal act that it justifies sabotage and pirate-like activities whereas the fishing of other endangered species, such as tuna, is not?

Cause "Save The Tuna" doesn't go quite so well on a bumper sicker?

[The Alma Mater]

So my question is, why is the fishing of non-endangered whale species such a vile criminal act that it justifies sabotage and pirate-like activities whereas the fishing of other endangered species, such as tuna, is not?

Tuna cannot sing.

[Post-Unity Terra]

Just glorious. Maybe they should've spent their cash on a boat that wasn't made of cereal boxes and unicorn spit.

[New Ziedrich]

Just glorious. Maybe they should've spent their cash on a boat that wasn't made of cereal boxes and unicorn spit.

I pretty much knew that this would happen as soon as I heard that Watson had gotten his hands on the Earthrace. Sad, really; that was a kickass boat.

[Non Aligned States]

The second video(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Brw6JN0l ... r_embedded) has it from a different angel, and it's absolutely clear that the Japanese ship veered into the boat.

Watched the video. The SS boat is still on a direct collision course with the whaling vessel, and from studying the wake, accelerated more of his ship into the impact zone than if he had left it completely idle.

The SS captain is either a retard, or deliberately intended to get his boat rammed.

[Non Aligned States]

Shush
In practice however they will simply detain them, learn that no country wishes to host the trial and then release them again.
Just like with the Somalis.

Into the sea without life preservers or nearby friendly boats maybe?

[Non Aligned States]

The whalers have now escalated the situation to dangerous levels after sinking the earth racer. They should not be surprised if their action results in an equal and opposite reaction...

Go ahead. I look forward to seeing every last one of those irresponsible nuts being put behind bars or 6 feet under. If you want to join them, by all means.

[Natapoc]

The whalers have now escalated the situation to dangerous levels after sinking the earth racer. They should not be surprised if their action results in an equal and opposite reaction...

Go ahead. I look forward to seeing every last one of those irresponsible nuts being put behind bars or 6 feet under. If you want to join them, by all means.

Yeah looking forward to the death of other people you have never met and know nothing or next to nothing about. That is pretty hostile and misanthropic of you.

[Soratsin]

The whalers have now escalated the situation to dangerous levels after sinking the earth racer. They should not be surprised if their action results in an equal and opposite reaction...

Go ahead. I look forward to seeing every last one of those irresponsible nuts being put behind bars or 6 feet under. If you want to join them, by all means.

Yeah looking forward to the death of other people you have never met and know nothing or next to nothing about. That is pretty hostile and misanthropic of you.

So it's terrible to be hostile and misanthropic on the internet, but it's A-ok to throw acid at people, ram/sabotage their ships, and attempt to bankrupt them because you disapprove of what their employers do?

How very consistent of you.

[Gauthier]

The whalers have now escalated the situation to dangerous levels after sinking the earth racer. They should not be surprised if their action results in an equal and opposite reaction...

Go ahead. I look forward to seeing every last one of those irresponsible nuts being put behind bars or 6 feet under. If you want to join them, by all means.

Yeah looking forward to the death of other people you have never met and know nothing or next to nothing about. That is pretty hostile and misanthropic of you.

So it's terrible to be hostile and misanthropic on the internet, but it's A-ok to throw acid at people, ram/sabotage their ships, and attempt to bankrupt them because you disapprove of what their employers do?

How very consistent of you.

And remember, when a small, highly maneuverable vessel is somehow rammed by a large ship that couldn't turn on a dollar much less a dime because its crew were too busy throwing acid and sabotaging the ship, it's corporate terrorism.

[New Ziedrich]

Yeah looking forward to the death of other people you have never met and know nothing or next to nothing about. That is pretty hostile and misanthropic of you.

You know, he reminded me of a question I've been wanting to ask you. I know you're a fan of Watson and what he does, so why don't you volunteer to join his crew or something?

[Natapoc]

The whalers have now escalated the situation to dangerous levels after sinking the earth racer. They should not be surprised if their action results in an equal and opposite reaction...

Go ahead. I look forward to seeing every last one of those irresponsible nuts being put behind bars or 6 feet under. If you want to join them, by all means.

Yeah looking forward to the death of other people you have never met and know nothing or next to nothing about. That is pretty hostile and misanthropic of you.

So it's terrible to be hostile and misanthropic on the internet, but it's A-ok to throw acid at people, ram/sabotage their ships, and attempt to bankrupt them because you disapprove of what their employers do?

How very consistent of you.

I never said it is terrible that he is being misanthropic and hostile.

By the way the "acid" they are throwing is just rancid butter (ie butter that sat out in the sun for a while till it started to stink). It is less acidic than lemon juice and (at least in this case) the Japanese were the ones doing the ramming.

[South Norwega]

Sea Shepherd seems to be involved in a large number of boating collisions.

http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/Sti ... 3687010.jp
http://www.3news.co.nz/News/Internation ... fault.aspx
http://www.smh.com.au/cgi-bin/common/po ... 77251.html
http://english.ohmynews.com/articleview ... 4&rel_no=1
http://www.sundayindependent.co.za/inde ... Id=2900259

Sea Shepherd has actually previously threatened to ram Whaling vessels.

http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/536641/1455091

And they said in 1993 that they had sunk 8 vessels. (see Sunday Independent article above)

It's practically terrorism that they resort to.

[Natapoc]

Yeah looking forward to the death of other people you have never met and know nothing or next to nothing about. That is pretty hostile and misanthropic of you.

You know, he reminded me of a question I've been wanting to ask you. I know you're a fan of Watson and what he does, so why don't you volunteer to join his crew or something?

I've met them. But it is because of several reasons.

1. I'm self employed and it would be difficult to restart my company all over again (which is what I'd have to do if I left for any length of time. No one else can really fill my shoes yet)
2. I'm not a specialist in any of the skills they would most need.
3. It costs money and there is no shortage of volunteers.

If they really needed me I'd go. Luckily they have a huge number of supporters including many with military/navy backgrounds who are better suited for that type of work.

[Soratsin]

I never said it is terrible that he is being misanthropic and hostile.

If you weren't implying that it was at least reprehensible to be misanthropic and hostile than why on earth did you bother responding to his post?

By the way the "acid" they are throwing is just rancid butter (ie butter that sat out in the sun for a while till it started to stink). It is less acidic than lemon juice

Right, and it's also an R20, R21, R22, R34, R36, R37, and R38 phrase hazardous chemical. That means that it is:

Harmful in contact with skin
Harmful if swallowed
Toxic by inhalation
Burn Causing
Irritating to respiratory system
Irritating to skin

Yup, throwing stuff that is lethal if swallowed or inhaled and causes temporary blindness towards people who are working on the slippery deck of a rocking ship around heavy machinery, just a harmless bit of fun.

and (at least in this case) the Japanese were the ones doing the ramming.

A ship that can go 46 mph getting rammed by a slow-ass whaling vessel, that captain is either criminally incompetent or intentionally allowed himself to be rammed.