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Belief?

Religious
46
40%
Non Religious
56
48%
It's Complicated
14
12%
 
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Postby Slavija Slovenska » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:09 pm

Please just vote religious, non religious, it's complicated.
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Breakdown:
Religious: you believe in a God or multiple Gods, you have a sort of religious belief
Non Religious: You do no believe in God, you have no religion
It's Complicated: you believe in a higher power not necessarily God, you aren't sure how you feel about religion or God, you hit a low point in your life and were previously religious but are starting to lose faith, you hit. High point in your life but are still unsure about religion.
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Postby MERIZoC » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:10 pm

You don't get to make threads like this….

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Postby Seaxeland » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:10 pm

Slavija Slovenska wrote:Please just vote religious, non religious, it's complicated.
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I don't want any arguments or debates starting over this. Just want to see via poll the sheer difference between the three on nationstates.

Breakdown:
Religious: you believe in a God or multiple Gods, you have a sort of religious belief
Non Religious: You do no believe in God, you have no religion
It's Complicated: you believe in a higher power not necessarily God, you aren't sure how you feel about religion or God, you hit a low point in your life and were previously religious but are starting to lose faith, you hit. High point in your life but are still unsure about religion.


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Postby The New Sea Territory » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:10 pm

This doesn't make any sense....why can't we post?
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Postby Sjovenia » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:11 pm

Merizoc wrote:You don't get to make threads like this….

Where would a thread like this go? Also it's just a simple voting option. You vote or you don't it's up to you. I just said no posting to avoid confrontation between people that will probably end badly. So if I change it to you can post just avoid flaming, cursing etc etc you think you guys could handle that?
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Postby District XIV » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:15 pm

Sjovenia wrote:
Merizoc wrote:You don't get to make threads like this….

Where would a thread like this go? Also it's just a simple voting option. You vote or you don't it's up to you. I just said no posting to avoid confrontation between people that will probably end badly. So if I change it to you can post just avoid flaming, cursing etc etc you think you guys could handle that?

There is no thread ownership in General. Meaning: you can't prohibit people from posting.

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Postby Sjovenia » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:20 pm

District XIV wrote:
Sjovenia wrote:Where would a thread like this go? Also it's just a simple voting option. You vote or you don't it's up to you. I just said no posting to avoid confrontation between people that will probably end badly. So if I change it to you can post just avoid flaming, cursing etc etc you think you guys could handle that?

There is no thread ownership in General. Meaning: you can't prohibit people from posting.

Fine...go ahead and post just self moderate. Meaning try to not insult eachother, try and not flame, self control all that good stuff. I'm not trying to start anything here.
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Postby District XIV » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:22 pm

I think non-religious will be the winner anyway. I saw a thread awhile ago with a poll similar to this and the majority of the poll-takers were atheists, like me.
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Postby Sjovenia » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:24 pm

District XIV wrote:I think non-religious will be the winner anyway. I saw a thread awhile ago with a poll similar to this and the majority of the poll-takers were atheists, like me.


Possibly but you never know?
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Postby Planeia » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:25 pm

Not sure if Agnostic falls under Non-Religious or It's Complicated.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:29 pm

Planeia wrote:Not sure if Agnostic falls under Non-Religious or It's Complicated.


If you are not practicing a religion then you are non-religious.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:31 pm

Ok. To start out debate, religion is nothing more than man's way of comforting himself by staying in the "Denial" stage. Man denies that life is meaningless by creating his own subjective meaning and denying reality.
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Postby District XIV » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:34 pm

One of my problems with organized religion is that they treat their "God" as a male.

That's actually one of the primary reasons I quit being Lutheran.

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Postby Skappola » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:35 pm

District XIV wrote:I think non-religious will be the winner anyway. I saw a thread awhile ago with a poll similar to this and the majority of the poll-takers were atheists, like me.

That was probably my Confessional Seal thread. The thing is, a divided Catholics and Other Christians in two separate groups while combining non-religious and Non-Christian religious into one group, because it was more pertinent to my poll to know that info. This poll will likely see more religious votes because non-religious and other-religious aren't combined and the different Christian groups are combined with every other religion.
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Postby Sjovenia » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:36 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Planeia wrote:Not sure if Agnostic falls under Non-Religious or It's Complicated.


If you are not practicing a religion then you are non-religious.

Agnostic is when you believe in a higher power right? Not necessarily a religion but you aren't necessarily non religious since you still believe in something. I would put its complicated. And yes you have the option to change your answer.
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Postby MERIZoC » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:37 pm

Sjovenia wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
If you are not practicing a religion then you are non-religious.

Agnostic is when you believe in a higher power right?

No.

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Postby Skappola » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:37 pm

District XIV wrote:One of my problems with organized religion is that they treat their "God" as a male.

That's actually one of the primary reasons I quit being Lutheran.

Really? You cared that much about the depicted gender of the God? I mean, they have to use some type of pronoun to describe God, and "it" just sounds wrong.
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Postby District XIV » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:39 pm

Sjovenia wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
If you are not practicing a religion then you are non-religious.

Agnostic is when you believe in a higher power right? Not necessarily a religion but you aren't necessarily non religious since you still believe in something. I would put its complicated. And yes you have the option to change your answer.

From Google: "a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God."

Someone who believes in a higher power is a theist or a deist, to my understanding.

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Postby Skappola » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:39 pm

Sjovenia wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
If you are not practicing a religion then you are non-religious.

Agnostic is when you believe in a higher power right? Not necessarily a religion but you aren't necessarily non religious since you still believe in something. I would put its complicated. And yes you have the option to change your answer.

Agnostic is when you aren't sure whether there is a God or not, and don't believe it can bs proven or disproven. Agnostic-Theist is when you believe there is a higher power but don't believe it is possible to prove, while Agnostic-Atheist is when you don't believe in a higher power but don't believe it is possible to disprove.
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Postby District XIV » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:39 pm

Skappola wrote:
District XIV wrote:One of my problems with organized religion is that they treat their "God" as a male.

That's actually one of the primary reasons I quit being Lutheran.

Really? You cared that much about the depicted gender of the God? I mean, they have to use some type of pronoun to describe God, and "it" just sounds wrong.

*cough* "they" *cough*

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Postby Sjovenia » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:40 pm

District XIV wrote:One of my problems with organized religion is that they treat their "God" as a male.

That's actually one of the primary reasons I quit being Lutheran.

Treating and bluntly saying is two different things. We, as Catholics, believe God is God. We don't know if he is black, white, asian, male, female or both. But yes we do normally make it out to be a male. Doesn't mean that if you asked if God is male or female we would give you a M or F answer. Now my problem with other religious people is how they portray Jesus as white. He was born and lived in the middle east. I would expect him to look at least a hint darker. Random fact..I once saw a fat jesus painting in a church in Italy.
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Postby Skappola » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:40 pm

District XIV wrote:
Skappola wrote:Really? You cared that much about the depicted gender of the God? I mean, they have to use some type of pronoun to describe God, and "it" just sounds wrong.

*cough* "they" *cough*

"They" suggests that there are multiple gods, which is polytheism and flies in the face of many of the church teachings, which are exclusively monotheist.
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Postby Calimera II » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:41 pm

Some relationship are complicated. On Facebook. Really.

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Postby District XIV » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:42 pm

Sjovenia wrote:
District XIV wrote:One of my problems with organized religion is that they treat their "God" as a male.

That's actually one of the primary reasons I quit being Lutheran.

Treating and bluntly saying is two different things. We, as Catholics, believe God is God. We don't know if he is black, white, asian, male, female or both. But yes we do normally make it out to be a male. Doesn't mean that if you asked if God is male or female we would give you a M or F answer. Now my problem with other religious people is how they portray Jesus as white. He was born and lived in the middle east. I would expect him to look at least a hint darker. Random fact..I once saw a fat jesus painting in a church in Italy.

I just do not simply believe in defining a deity as any race, gender, etc. I think, that if a deity or even multiple deities exist, then they would be asexual, and probably not even humanoid.

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Postby Sjovenia » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:42 pm

District XIV wrote:
Sjovenia wrote:Agnostic is when you believe in a higher power right? Not necessarily a religion but you aren't necessarily non religious since you still believe in something. I would put its complicated. And yes you have the option to change your answer.

From Google: "a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God."

Someone who believes in a higher power is a theist or a deist, to my understanding.

I would still consider that complicated because you aren't deny God but neither are you acknowledging him. For reason that may include you don't understand, you aren't sure etc etc.
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