Malaysian Airliner crashes in Ukraine

[Roski]

http://grub.gunaxin.com/american-beer-e ... ker/137389
http://www.beertutor.com/articles/american_beer.shtml
http://www.sptimes.com/2007/08/17/Drink ... __Th.shtml

Still considered shit beer compared to what Germany, Belgium, and England produce. Oh and can't forget Ireland. Irelands hard liquor same as Scotland's

280 people died and you are talking about beer.

Americans

[Slavija Slovenska]

See thats okay…but if you specifically made a joke about the person or persons being hung then its not okay.

"Murderer James French has been attributed with famous last words before his death by electric chair: "How's this for a headline? 'French Fries'."

See, once again, depends.

If he said it himself it doesn't matter.

[Slavija Slovenska]

Still considered shit beer compared to what Germany, Belgium, and England produce. Oh and can't forget Ireland. Irelands hard liquor same as Scotland's

280 people died and you are talking about beer.

Americans

Im talking about beer because I was talking to some one else. Don't act like I'm the only one getting off topic here Piggy

[OMGeverynameistaken]

American football terminology. A "hail mary" pass is a long-distance throw down the field with a low chance of success. The idea here being that the rebels (in my personal speculation on the matter,) want to force Putin to support them.

There were Americans on that plane too. So cut the appeal to emotion, because I'm angry over it too. I just don't think that jumping to conclusions before being in possession of all the facts in a situation like this is a terribly brilliant idea.

At the end of the day, whoever shot down this plane, was an ill experienced force with an advanced air defence system, now there are only two options as a result of the geopolitical landscape of the area, either the Russians shot it down or PRO-RUSSIAN, RUSSIAN SPEAKING TERRORISTS shot it down. Now, no international independent investigation team can enter the area because the last time an international team went inside a Pro-Russian held territory of Ukraine, it didn't go well...

Once more, Russia has been distancing itself from Donetsk and the "pro-Russian" movement in Eastern Ukraine. It seems to me that Putin is eager to bring that whole thing to an end, and was probably quite happy that media attention was moving on.

Evidence as it stands would seem to indicate that the separatists are responsible for shooting the plane down, but they did so with equipment they took from a Ukrainian source. IE: Not provided by Russia.

[Napkiraly]

Still considered shit beer compared to what Germany, Belgium, and England produce. Oh and can't forget Ireland. Irelands hard liquor same as Scotland's

280 people died and you are talking about beer.

Americans

Yes, all the other Americans on this topic have been talking about nothing but beer and Kim Kardashian. And it's almost like I'm sure if you went to most places, people would go "Oh my gosh" then go about their day.

[Empire of Symphonia]

Malaysia Airlines: Very good service, extremely bad luck. What's more is that they've already taken a beating from China because of the other flight as well, now they have to deal with this issue.

[Roski]

280 people died and you are talking about beer.

Americans

Im talking about beer because I was talking to some one else. Don't act like I'm the only one getting off topic here Piggy

This was for you and that person.

[Roski]

280 people died and you are talking about beer.

Americans

Yes, all the other Americans on this topic have been talking about nothing but beer and Kim Kardashian. And it's almost like I'm sure if you went to most places, people would go "Oh my gosh" then go about their day.

That's what I said.
To the letter.
*nods

[Slavija Slovenska]

Im talking about beer because I was talking to some one else. Don't act like I'm the only one getting off topic here Piggy

This was for you and that person.

and this

Piggy

was for you. So you want to get back on topic porkins? We can start by shutting up about what was 2 minutes ago. You think the Russians did it?

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

At the end of the day, whoever shot down this plane, was an ill experienced force with an advanced air defence system, now there are only two options as a result of the geopolitical landscape of the area, either the Russians shot it down or PRO-RUSSIAN, RUSSIAN SPEAKING TERRORISTS shot it down. Now, no international independent investigation team can enter the area because the last time an international team went inside a Pro-Russian held territory of Ukraine, it didn't go well...

Once more, Russia has been distancing itself from Donetsk and the "pro-Russian" movement in Eastern Ukraine. It seems to me that Putin is eager to bring that whole thing to an end, and was probably quite happy that media attention was moving on.

Evidence as it stands would seem to indicate that the separatists are responsible for shooting the plane down, but they did so with equipment they took from a Ukrainian source. IE: Not provided by Russia.

And so? If ISIS took over Chinese nukes and launched it at America, is it the Chinese's fault? What's the point you're trying to make? It doesn't matter whose equipment they used, it's who used the equipment, period.

[Roski]

This was for you and that person.

and this

Piggy

was for you. So you want to get back on topic porkins? We can start but shutting up about what was 2 minutes ago. You think the Russians did it?

Nope.
I haven't actually stated an opinion, I've been calling it like I see it.

[Slavija Slovenska]

Once more, Russia has been distancing itself from Donetsk and the "pro-Russian" movement in Eastern Ukraine. It seems to me that Putin is eager to bring that whole thing to an end, and was probably quite happy that media attention was moving on.

Evidence as it stands would seem to indicate that the separatists are responsible for shooting the plane down, but they did so with equipment they took from a Ukrainian source. IE: Not provided by Russia.

And so? If ISIS took over Chinese nukes and launched it at America, is it the Chinese's fault? What's the point you're trying to make? It doesn't matter whose equipment they used, it's who used the equipment, period.

EXACTLY! and the question is…who used the equipment? Have the separatists been supplied by the Ruskies?

[Greed and Death]

Still considered shit beer compared to what Germany, Belgium, and England produce. Oh and can't forget Ireland. Irelands hard liquor same as Scotland's

280 people died and you are talking about beer.

Americans

295, 280 passengers, 15 crew members.

Why do the Europeans always forget about the help?

[Costa Fierro]

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

And so? If ISIS took over Chinese nukes and launched it at America, is it the Chinese's fault? What's the point you're trying to make? It doesn't matter whose equipment they used, it's who used the equipment, period.

EXACTLY! and the question is…who used the equipment? Have the separatists been supplied by the Ruskies?

I wonder what weapons most the separatists are using? They sure aren't American...

[The BranRiech]

Besides CNN postponing The Sixties to cover the same thing for at least 6 hours straight, which has pissed me off beyond belief as I was looking forward to that episode, I've been interested in the news. Of course, those people didn't deserve to be caught in the crossfire, but it will certainly be interesting to see what this does to the conflict.

[Roski]

280 people died and you are talking about beer.

Americans

295, 280 passengers, 15 crew members.

Why do the Europeans always forget about the help?

I'm not European, and I didn't post an exact number. Shoot me.

[Costa Fierro]

EXACTLY! and the question is…who used the equipment? Have the separatists been supplied by the Ruskies?

I wonder what weapons most the separatists are using? They sure aren't American...

Soviet-era equipment and whatever they smuggle from Russia or salvage from Ukrainian military stockpiles.

[OMGeverynameistaken]

Once more, Russia has been distancing itself from Donetsk and the "pro-Russian" movement in Eastern Ukraine. It seems to me that Putin is eager to bring that whole thing to an end, and was probably quite happy that media attention was moving on.

Evidence as it stands would seem to indicate that the separatists are responsible for shooting the plane down, but they did so with equipment they took from a Ukrainian source. IE: Not provided by Russia.

And so? If ISIS took over Chinese nukes and launched it at America, is it the Chinese's fault? What's the point you're trying to make? It doesn't matter whose equipment they used, it's who used the equipment, period.

My point is the separatists are not Russia, no matter how "pro-Russian" they may be. Their actions do not reflect Russia's foreign policy or intent. Hell, it even seems that the separatists didn't shoot the plane down on purpose. Some untrained militiaman probably saw a blip on the radar and shot the thing off without bothering to think what he might be targeting.

It's a tragic, insane accident. It's not cause to start WWIII because "the West" decides to rush in and beat up Russia over a group of Russian fanboys being dumbasses and playing with toys they don't know how to use.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

295, 280 passengers, 15 crew members.

Why do the Europeans always forget about the help?

I'm not European, and I didn't post an exact number. Shoot me.

*shot* Yay, I'm an American now!
But on a more serious note, it's actually 298 people.

[Roski]

Besides CNN postponing The Sixties to cover the same thing for at least 6 hours straight, which has pissed me off beyond belief as I was looking forward to that episode, I've been interested in the news. Of course, those people didn't deserve to be caught in the crossfire, but it will certainly be interesting to see what this does to the conflict.

They were warned to stay out of that particular spot of airspace.
Nobody listened of course.
They are now, because the jet was shot down.

Fucking people man.

"Oh, that warning is bullshit"

"OH FUCK SOMEONE GOT SHOT DOWN BECAUSE WE DIDN'T LISTEN TO THE WARNING CRY CRY CRY"

That actually legitimately pisses me off, that airliners will risk their passengers safety just for a couple bucks.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

And so? If ISIS took over Chinese nukes and launched it at America, is it the Chinese's fault? What's the point you're trying to make? It doesn't matter whose equipment they used, it's who used the equipment, period.

My point is the separatists are not Russia, no matter how "pro-Russian" they may be. Their actions do not reflect Russia's foreign policy or intent. Hell, it even seems that the separatists didn't shoot the plane down on purpose. Some untrained militiaman probably saw a blip on the radar and shot the thing off without bothering to think what he might be targeting.

It's a tragic, insane accident. It's not cause to start WWIII because "the West" decides to rush in and beat up Russia over a group of Russian fanboys being dumbasses and playing with toys they don't know how to use.

Oh please, that's what the Russians said about the Korean Airlines flight back in the 80s...

[Costa Fierro]

Besides CNN postponing The Sixties to cover the same thing for at least 6 hours straight, which has pissed me off beyond belief as I was looking forward to that episode, I've been interested in the news. Of course, those people didn't deserve to be caught in the crossfire, but it will certainly be interesting to see what this does to the conflict.

They were warned to stay out of that particular spot of airspace.
Nobody listened of course.
They are now, because the jet was shot down.

Fucking people man.

"Oh, that warning is bullshit"

"OH FUCK SOMEONE GOT SHOT DOWN BECAUSE WE DIDN'T LISTEN TO THE WARNING CRY CRY CRY"

That actually legitimately pisses me off, that airliners will risk their passengers safety just for a couple bucks.

Airlines have been flying over conflict zones for decades. They have systems onboard aircraft that clearly show that it is civilian in nature. You don't fucking shoot civilian airliners down for shits and giggles (unless you are the Soviet Union and the airliner happens to be Korean).

[Greed and Death]

Once more, Russia has been distancing itself from Donetsk and the "pro-Russian" movement in Eastern Ukraine. It seems to me that Putin is eager to bring that whole thing to an end, and was probably quite happy that media attention was moving on.

Evidence as it stands would seem to indicate that the separatists are responsible for shooting the plane down, but they did so with equipment they took from a Ukrainian source. IE: Not provided by Russia.

And so? If ISIS took over Chinese nukes and launched it at America, is it the Chinese's fault? What's the point you're trying to make? It doesn't matter whose equipment they used, it's who used the equipment, period.

Lets fix this analogy.

1st We are dealing with a separatist faction domestic to the country. So instead of ISIS nuking the US, lets say the New Confederate states of America Nuked the US.

2nd The weapons were not taken from Russia they were given. So instead of the Confederate states of America invading China to get nukes to nuke the US, China gives the nuclear weapons to the confederate state of the US.

So yes if China gives nuclear weapons to the confederate states of the US, China would have a degree of moral responsibility for the use of those nuclear weapons.

[Roski]

And so? If ISIS took over Chinese nukes and launched it at America, is it the Chinese's fault? What's the point you're trying to make? It doesn't matter whose equipment they used, it's who used the equipment, period.

Lets fix this analogy.

1st We are dealing with a separatist faction domestic to the country. So instead of ISIS nuking the US, lets say the New Confederate states of America Nuked the US.

2nd The weapons were not taken from Russia they were given. So instead of the Confederate states of America invading China to get nukes to nuke the US, China gives the nuclear weapons to the confederate state of the US.

So yes if China gives nuclear weapons to the confederate states of the US, China would have a degree of moral responsibility for the use of those nuclear weapons.

Replace the United States with Malaysia.
Then the analogy is perfect.