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Postby Aquitayne » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:42 pm

Slavija Slovenska wrote:
Free Tristania wrote:Hear hear: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnuHxAR01Jo

Pro-Russian rebels discuss the shooting down of the Malaysian Airlines airliner

If it's not vice i don't wanna watch it


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On a different note, I'm curious to see how this plays out. I think the Separatists are going to try to do some damage control, Ukraine will have no choice but to accept Russian "assistance" in the investigation only because Moscow as the FDR, and there will probably be much renewed attacks around the Donetsk region from the Ukrainian military.

Can't say the Separatists don't have it coming, though.
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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:43 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:The Russians are now trying to put some blame on Poland.

Edit: And the rebels have the FDR and the black box. Fucking brilliant.

Russia may need to Annex Poland to make things right.
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Postby Aquitayne » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:43 pm

greed and death wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:The Russians are now trying to put some blame on Poland.

Edit: And the rebels have the FDR and the black box. Fucking brilliant.

Russia may need to Annex Poland to make things right.


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Postby The Scientific States » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:44 pm

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Has it been confirmed that the plane was shot down?


The US are saying it is. Russian cossacks said they shot it down.


And yet the diehard Pro-Russian crowd is saying "It couldn't be Russian militants!"
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Postby Roski Emericans » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:44 pm

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greed and death wrote:Russia may need to Annex Poland to make things right.


It's the only way.


It might be better if the United States annexes the entire world. *nods

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Postby Organized States » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:44 pm

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Napkiraly wrote:US officials are saying it was.


Well, shit.

Believed to have been shot down by a 2K12 Kub (AKA, SA-6 "Gainful), which are operated by the most pro-Russian units, and are report-ably manned by either Russians or old, former Soviet Air Force guys.
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Postby Slavija Slovenska » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:45 pm

Roski Emericans wrote:So

1: Never board a flight in Malaysia
2: Never board a flight going to Malaysia
3: Never board a flight with thousands of SAM sites in the path
4: Never board a flight over the indian ocean.

Like I said i flew Malaysian Airlines it wasn't that bad. As for that video I trust vice more than I do CNN or even this video linked^^ so I still find this kinda sketchy.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:46 pm

Organized States wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
Well, shit.

Believed to have been shot down by a 2K12 Kub (AKA, SA-6 "Gainful), which are operated by the most pro-Russian units, and are report-ably manned by either Russians or old, former Soviet Air Force guys.


The BBC and others are saying it was a Buk missile system, which has the ability to shoot down aircraft from that height.
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Postby Roski Emericans » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:46 pm

Organized States wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
Well, shit.

Believed to have been shot down by a 2K12 Kub (AKA, SA-6 "Gainful), which are operated by the most pro-Russian units, and are report-ably manned by either Russians or old, former Soviet Air Force guys.


The Article I read on Military.com said something similar to a Buk SAM system, which, if I read correctly, is run by both Ukraine and Russia, meaning its not implausible that any of the three sides shot it down.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2014/07/17/official-malaysian-plane-shot-down-over-ukraine.html?comp=7000023435700&rank=1

There's the article if you needed it.
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Postby OMGeverynameistaken » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:46 pm

Organized States wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
Well, shit.

Believed to have been shot down by a 2K12 Kub (AKA, SA-6 "Gainful), which are operated by the most pro-Russian units, and are report-ably manned by either Russians or old, former Soviet Air Force guys.

Reported to be any of a variety of missiles, all of which are operated by both Russia and Ukraine because they're Soviet-era, and armories in that area are chock full of the things.

Roski Emericans wrote:
Organized States wrote:Believed to have been shot down by a 2K12 Kub (AKA, SA-6 "Gainful), which are operated by the most pro-Russian units, and are report-ably manned by either Russians or old, former Soviet Air Force guys.


The Article I read on Military.com said something similar to a Buk SAM system, which, if I read correctly, is run by both Ukraine and Russia, meaning its not implausible that any of the three sides shot it down.


The Kub is even older than the Buk, and, from what I've been able to dig up, more used by Ukraine than Russia. The Russians only have one operational unit of Kub launchers, and they're in the Caucuses.
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Postby Slavija Slovenska » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:47 pm

Roski Emericans wrote:
Aquitayne wrote:
It's the only way.


It might be better if the United States annexes the entire world. *nods

Please no…so many cultures, languages, and ethnicities destroyed by fat mine hungry corporations who put a choke hold on all tourism. I definitely do not want a Taco Bell in Poland oh and the beer…..the beer would taste like shit if America took over the rest of the world. The beer would just be water.
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Postby Sxvoryia » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:47 pm

Oh no da plane farring is ober ukraine

kwik, brace but fur when hit water!

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Postby Slavija Slovenska » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:48 pm

Sxvoryia wrote:Oh no da plane farring is ober ukraine

kwik, brace but fur when hit water!

Wat?
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Postby The Scientific States » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:48 pm

Sxvoryia wrote:Oh no da plane farring is ober ukraine

kwik, brace but fur when hit water!


A plane was shot down, and lives were lost, so this isn't something to joke about.
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Postby Aquitayne » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:48 pm

Slavija Slovenska wrote:
Roski Emericans wrote:
It might be better if the United States annexes the entire world. *nods

Please no…so many cultures, languages, and ethnicities destroyed by fat mine hungry corporations who put a choke hold on all tourism. I definitely do not want a Taco Bell in Poland oh and the beer…..the beer would taste like shit if America took over the rest of the world. The beer would just be water.


I don't think he knows how to sarcasm
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Postby The Republic of Pantalleria » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:48 pm

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The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:The Russians are going to pay for this... How else would a plane cruising at 33,000 feet be shot down, even if it wasn't the Russians directly, it was still going to be a pro-russian force...

A "pro-Russian" state which the Russians have been distancing themselves from.

As I said earlier, I'd bet on this either being a foolish accident by some trigger-happy separatist or a desperate Hail Mary play to force Putin's involvement.

Hail Mary Play? Excuse me for thinking that a nation that China learns from when it comes to diplomacy and international laws, supports terrorist groups that sow instability and wars in places where it is not necessary, shoots down a civilian aircraft with three of my fellow country men never being able to return home to their families... >:(
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Postby Sxvoryia » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:50 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Sxvoryia wrote:Oh no da plane farring is ober ukraine

kwik, brace but fur when hit water!


A plane was shot down, and lives were lost, so this isn't something to joke about.


wait it was shot!

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Postby Cyyro » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:50 pm

Slavija Slovenska wrote:
Roski Emericans wrote:
It might be better if the United States annexes the entire world. *nods

Please no…so many cultures, languages, and ethnicities destroyed by fat mine hungry corporations who put a choke hold on all tourism. I definitely do not want a Taco Bell in Poland oh and the beer…..the beer would taste like shit if America took over the rest of the world. The beer would just be water.


American beer taste the same as others. It's a misconception.
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Postby The Republic of Pantalleria » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:50 pm

Sxvoryia wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
A plane was shot down, and lives were lost, so this isn't something to joke about.


wait it was shot!

Turn on the T.V. And watch it like any other american...
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Postby Roski Emericans » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:50 pm

OMGeverynameistaken wrote:
Organized States wrote:Believed to have been shot down by a 2K12 Kub (AKA, SA-6 "Gainful), which are operated by the most pro-Russian units, and are report-ably manned by either Russians or old, former Soviet Air Force guys.

Reported to be any of a variety of missiles, all of which are operated by both Russia and Ukraine because they're Soviet-era, and armories in that area are chock full of the things.

Roski Emericans wrote:
The Article I read on Military.com said something similar to a Buk SAM system, which, if I read correctly, is run by both Ukraine and Russia, meaning its not implausible that any of the three sides shot it down.


The Kub is even older than the Buk, and, from what I've been able to dig up, more used by Ukraine than Russia. The Russians only have one operational unit of Kub launchers, and they're in the Caucuses.



Anton Gerashenko, an adviser to Ukraine's interior minister, said on his Facebook page the plane was flying at about 10,000 meters (33,000 feet) when it was hit by a missile from a Buk launcher, which can fire up to an altitude of 22,000 meters (72,000 feet). He said only that his information was based on "intelligence."
Igor Sutyagin, a research fellow in Russian studies at the Royal United Services Institute, said both Ukrainian and Russian forces have SA-17 missile systems — also known as Buk ground-to-air launcher systems.
Rebels had bragged recently about having acquired Buk systems.
Sutyagin said Russia had supplied separatists with military hardware but had seen no evidence "of the transfer of that type of system from Russia." The weapons that the rebels are known to have do not have the capacity to reach beyond 4,500 meters. (14,750 feet)


http://www.military.com/daily-news/2014/07/17/official-malaysian-plane-shot-down-over-ukraine.html?comp=7000023435700&rank=1

This is where I got my information.

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Postby Slavija Slovenska » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:51 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Sxvoryia wrote:Oh no da plane farring is ober ukraine

kwik, brace but fur when hit water!


A plane was shot down, and lives were lost, so this isn't something to joke about.

Im with you on this one don't get me wrong but the same could be said for 9/11 YET YOU HAVE IDIOTS still making jokes about it….i couldn't give a rats ass if it was 12 years ago lives were still lost.
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Postby Roski Emericans » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:52 pm

Sxvoryia wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
A plane was shot down, and lives were lost, so this isn't something to joke about.


wait it was shot!


Officials in the United States have stated it to have been shot down.

Russia blames seperatists,
Ukraine blames seperatists
America blames Russia and seperatists.

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Postby The Scientific States » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:52 pm

Slavija Slovenska wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
A plane was shot down, and lives were lost, so this isn't something to joke about.

Im with you on this one don't get me wrong but the same could be said for 9/11 YET YOU HAVE IDIOTS still making jokes about it….i couldn't give a rats ass if it was 12 years ago lives were still lost.


What? I'm not seeing how this is relevant.
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Postby Napkiraly » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:52 pm

Organized States wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
Well, shit.

Believed to have been shot down by a 2K12 Kub (AKA, SA-6 "Gainful), which are operated by the most pro-Russian units, and are report-ably manned by either Russians or old, former Soviet Air Force guys.

I think you mean, Buk. A Kub can only reach 20 000 ft, the plane was at 33 000.

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Postby Slavija Slovenska » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:52 pm

Aquitayne wrote:
Slavija Slovenska wrote:Please no…so many cultures, languages, and ethnicities destroyed by fat mine hungry corporations who put a choke hold on all tourism. I definitely do not want a Taco Bell in Poland oh and the beer…..the beer would taste like shit if America took over the rest of the world. The beer would just be water.


I don't think he knows how to sarcasm

I know that was sarcasm. Apparently you didn't see my sarcasm so between the three of us it is YOU who doesn't understand sarcasm.
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