Malaysian Airliner crashes in Ukraine

by **Organized States** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 4:48 pm

So, what have we learned from all of this? Don't give air defense systems to extremists.

by **Waldriech** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 4:49 pm

Uh Oh, Got to take a flight next week. Hel- Hel- HELP
But anyways its over safe airspace (USA) and its not on Malaysian.

by **Lemanrussland** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 4:49 pm

Organized States wrote:So, what have we learned from all of this? Don't give air defense systems to extremists.

I thought we learned that lesson back in Afghanistan?

by **Estado Paulista** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 4:51 pm

What the fuck?

by **The balkens** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 4:51 pm

Lemanrussland wrote:
Organized States wrote:So, what have we learned from all of this? Don't give air defense systems to extremists.

I thought we learned that lesson back in Afghanistan?

90s happened, what a party that was!

by **Organized States** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 4:52 pm

Lemanrussland wrote:
Organized States wrote:So, what have we learned from all of this? Don't give air defense systems to extremists.

I thought we learned that lesson back in Afghanistan?

It's quite a bit more obvious now.

by **Free Tristania** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 4:55 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Free Tristania wrote:Bullshit. Last year there was a Dutch-Russian friendship year with a Russian diplomat beating up their own children and his wife marauding through The Hague (damaging cars as she went - and with her husband being arrested later on) and the Russian FSB beating up a Dutch diplomat. If this is your definition of friendship: kindly stick it up your backside.

Shit happened with diplomats. If this is the best you can do, then it just shows that you're scraping the bottom of the proverbial barrel. You're Russophobia is well known in the halls of NSG, Free Tistania:

FT on Freedom of Speech: viewtopic.php?p=19257638#p19257638

I think that it could be a good first start to ban RussiaToday here in Europe (and the US) and to block the website.

FT's Russophibia in 2013, to a query of what country's the biggest threat, his response was: China & Russia
viewtopic.php?p=17548474#p17548474

There's also another "gem" by FT: viewtopic.php?p=13653270#p13653270

Me:
Because nuking a country that borders Russia is a brilliant tactical move, amirite?

FT:
It not like anyone lives right next door to Korea. Apart from the Chinese. Maybe you should look up the population density of that particular part of Russia ? Two people and a half a horsehead. And Russians don't give a shit about their people and neither do Chinese so if the North Koreans can be nuked back to the year dot everyone will be happy. Unlike some liberal idiot like Obama much rather sees LA nuked to pieces.

I could just keep on going...

Just a career question: how much does it pay to be a KGB troll ?

Maybe it pays well ?

by **Other Thafoo** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 4:55 pm

If it was on the border, where are they going to bury the survivors?

by **Kahlenberg** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 4:57 pm

Other Thafoo wrote:If it was on the border, where are they going to bury the survivors?

Bury the survivors? That would be rather cruel. Unfortunately, there aren't any, though. Dutch victims from plane crashes have always been repatriated in the past, I think that will happen again.

by **Napkiraly** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 4:58 pm

Apparently the unit responsible is a Russian-backed Cossack unit. But that's coming from the Kyiv-Post so pinches of salt may be needed.

by **Other Thafoo** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 4:58 pm

Kahlenberg wrote:Bury the survivors? That would be rather cruel.

Drat, you got it.

by **Urmanian** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 4:59 pm

Free Tristania wrote:Just a career question: how much does it pay to be a KGB troll ? Maybe it pays well ?

85 rubles though Shofercia doubtless earns an extra for his sheer dedication.

by **Herrebrugh** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 4:59 pm

Kahlenberg wrote:
Other Thafoo wrote:If it was on the border, where are they going to bury the survivors?

Bury the survivors? That would be rather cruel. Unfortunately, there aren't any, though. Dutch victims from plane crashes have always been repatriated in the past, I think that will happen again.

And quite impossible, depressingly.

by **Organized States** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:02 pm

Napkiraly wrote:Apparently the unit responsible is a Russian-backed Cossack unit. But that's coming from the Kyiv-Post so pinches of salt may be needed.

I wouldn't be surprised. The Cossacks admitted it in a leaked piece of intelligence collected by Ukrainian Intelligence, I'm sure NSA has this and much more.

http://mashable.com/2014/07/17/malaysia ... ked-audio/

by **Imperial Nilfgaard** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:04 pm

Urmanian wrote:
Free Tristania wrote:Just a career question: how much does it pay to be a KGB troll ? Maybe it pays well ?

85 rubles though Shofercia doubtless earns an extra for his sheer dedication.

People attack the poster when they have nothing useful to add.

It was a tragedy and we still don't know what happened (except from bias sources like Ukraine's interior ministry) let's wait and see. The fact that so many instantly go on anti-Russian tirades is proof of the dangerous current of Russophobia in our time.

by **The Republic of Merrimont** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:04 pm

Other sources say it was shot down by a 9K37 Buk missile system. Soviet made.

by **Free Tristania** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:07 pm

Urmanian wrote:
Free Tristania wrote:Just a career question: how much does it pay to be a KGB troll ? Maybe it pays well ?

85 rubles though Shofercia doubtless earns an extra for his sheer dedication.

Meh... the latter would not be unlikely then.

by **Costa Fierro** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:10 pm

Just heard about it. Fuck. You. Russia (n separatists).

by **Free Tristania** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:10 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:Just heard about it. Fuck. You. Russia.

Exactly my feelings. To hell with them.

by **Organized States** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:12 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:Just heard about it. Fuck. You. Russia.

Agreed. The time for a serious discussion with the Russians has come, if they don't like what we have to say, then they can just deal with it, and go sit in the corner like they did during the Soviet era.

by **Napkiraly** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:13 pm

Organized States wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Apparently the unit responsible is a Russian-backed Cossack unit. But that's coming from the Kyiv-Post so pinches of salt may be needed.

I wouldn't be surprised. The Cossacks admitted it in a leaked piece of intelligence collected by Ukrainian Intelligence, I'm sure NSA has this and much more.

http://mashable.com/2014/07/17/malaysia ... ked-audio/

Oh yeah, gotta be spies. :palm:

by **Costa Fierro** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:14 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:It was a tragedy and we still don't know what happened (except from bias sources like Ukraine's interior ministry) let's wait and see.

Russian backed Cossacks claimed responsibility for this.

The fact that so many instantly go on anti-Russian tirades is proof of the dangerous current of Russophobia in our time.

Ooh, let's roll out the Russophobia wagon.

by **Organized States** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:14 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Organized States wrote:I wouldn't be surprised. The Cossacks admitted it in a leaked piece of intelligence collected by Ukrainian Intelligence, I'm sure NSA has this and much more.

http://mashable.com/2014/07/17/malaysia ... ked-audio/

Oh yeah, gotta be spies.

I can't verify whether it's real, but I'm sure the NSA has something quite a bit better in terms of intel about this.

by **Napkiraly** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:15 pm

Organized States wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Oh yeah, gotta be spies.

I can't verify whether it's real, but I'm sure the NSA has something quite a bit better in terms of intel about this.

True, could be faked.

by **Lemanrussland** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:15 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
Urmanian wrote:85 rubles though Shofercia doubtless earns an extra for his sheer dedication.

People attack the poster when they have nothing useful to add.

It was a tragedy and we still don't know what happened (except from bias sources like Ukraine's interior ministry) let's wait and see. The fact that so many instantly go on anti-Russian tirades is proof of the dangerous current of Russophobia in our time.

In my opinion, it was likely either the separatists or the Ukrainian military, and likely a case of mistaken identity. Both the Ukrainians and separatists have sufficiently sophisticated air defense systems to shoot the plane down.

By the way, Russia has earned it's bad reputation in the West, and fully deserves it. Everyone who doesn't worship Putin and Russia is not a "Russophobe" or a racist.

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