Malaysian Airliner crashes in Ukraine

[Costa Fierro]

Frogfoots and A-10s usually carry something resembling a sidewinder or two, it would be stupid otherwise.

RT, however, is stupider for implying that it could reach those heights and shoot the plane down.

RT is not implying it. The image "Image courtesy of the Russian Defense Ministry" clearly shows the SU-25 fighter at H(eight) 10,000M. Are you seriously suggesting that the Russian Defense Ministry would go around handing out deliberately false evidence?

Maybe. After all, it's RT. The truth and RT are two words that are never legitimately seen in the same sentence together. It still doesn't absolve the rebels of mistaking a military aircraft for a passenger jet.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Frogfoots and A-10s usually carry something resembling a sidewinder or two, it would be stupid otherwise.

RT, however, is stupider for implying that it could reach those heights and shoot the plane down.

RT is not implying it. The image "Image courtesy of the Russian Defense Ministry" clearly shows the SU-25 fighter at H(eight) 10,000M. Are you seriously suggesting that the Russian Defense Ministry would go around handing out deliberately false evidence?

I wouldn't doubt it.

[Arkinesia]

Are you seriously suggesting that the Russian Defense Ministry would go around handing out deliberately false evidence?

I would. They outright lied about the Korean Air shootdown, it's not like this is something new that the Russian Defense Ministry would lie to cover their asses.

[United Marxist Nations]

Are you seriously suggesting that the Russian Defense Ministry would go around handing out deliberately false evidence?

I would. They outright lied about the Korean Air shootdown, it's not like this is something new that the Russian Defense Ministry would lie to cover their asses.

What did they lie in about the KAL007 shootdown? It's not like they had to cover their asses on that one, they were well within their right to shoot that one down.

[Arkinesia]

I would. They outright lied about the Korean Air shootdown, it's not like this is something new that the Russian Defense Ministry would lie to cover their asses.

What did they lie in about the KAL007 shootdown? It's not like they had to cover their asses on that one, they were well within their right to shoot that one down.

They kept insisting they had proof it was a spy plane, and then when that was revealed to be a lie, they insisted that it was a false flag with an empty aircraft to discredit the Soviet Union.

[Gravlen]

>Calls for UNSC Peacekeepers in Donbass
>No one responds to call for Peacekeepers
>UMN is sad

If you're going to insert peacekeepers into an internal conflict, there first has to be a peace to keep. Neither side has shown any willingness to end hostilities, so there's no peace and thus no role for peacekeepers here.

[Ducrotia]

The youngest person identified in the crash so far was 8.

[Herrebrugh]

The youngest person identified in the crash so far was 8.

There were three (?) babies in there.

[Ducrotia]

>Calls for UNSC Peacekeepers in Donbass
>No one responds to call for Peacekeepers
>UMN is sad

If you're going to insert peacekeepers into an internal conflict, there first has to be a peace to keep. Neither side has shown any willingness to end hostilities, so there's no peace and thus no role for peacekeepers here.

If we had some peacemakers...

[Marcurix]

If you're going to insert peacekeepers into an internal conflict, there first has to be a peace to keep. Neither side has shown any willingness to end hostilities, so there's no peace and thus no role for peacekeepers here.

If we had some peacemakers...

I'm sure Russia would be delighted.

[Lyttenburg]

What did they lie in about the KAL007 shootdown? It's not like they had to cover their asses on that one, they were well within their right to shoot that one down.

They kept insisting they had proof it was a spy plane, and then when that was revealed to be a lie, they insisted that it was a false flag with an empty aircraft to discredit the Soviet Union.

Can you decide already? Is it "Russian" or the "Soviet" habit of "lying outright". 'cause in 1983 both Russia and the Ukraine were just parts of the USSR.

[Washington Resistance Army]

They kept insisting they had proof it was a spy plane, and then when that was revealed to be a lie, they insisted that it was a false flag with an empty aircraft to discredit the Soviet Union.

Can you decide already? Is it "Russian" or the "Soviet" habit of "lying outright". 'cause in 1983 both Russia and the Ukraine were just parts of the USSR.

Russia is the direct successor state of the USSR, so Russia=USSR in a loose sense. It's why treaties signed with the USSR carried over to the Russian Federation.

[Gravlen]

If you're going to insert peacekeepers into an internal conflict, there first has to be a peace to keep. Neither side has shown any willingness to end hostilities, so there's no peace and thus no role for peacekeepers here.

If we had some peacemakers...

Indeed, that would be nice.

[Genivaria]

So THAT'S where the damned thing went.

[Norstal]

So THAT'S where the damned thing went.

Booo get off the stage boo

[The Latin Commonwealth]

Ukrainian government claims that the rebels took off the voice recordings of the pilots (saying what was happening during the accident).
Opinions?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Ukrainian government claims that the rebels took off the voice recordings of the pilots (saying what was happening during the accident).
Opinions?

I don't know anything about black boxes so I don't know if that's even possible.

[Aeken]

>Calls for UNSC Peacekeepers in Donbass
>No one responds to call for Peacekeepers
>UMN is sad

I would think Russia would rather have CSTO peacekeepers.

[United Marxist Nations]

Ukrainian government claims that the rebels took off the voice recordings of the pilots (saying what was happening during the accident).
Opinions?

I don't know anything about black boxes so I don't know if that's even possible.

I'd also be interested in a source, especially since I think they handed them over to Malaysia, not Ukraine.

[Herrebrugh]

Ukrainian government claims that the rebels took off the voice recordings of the pilots (saying what was happening during the accident).
Opinions?

If that's the case they can pretty much be declared guilty on the spot. Even more so than they can be already.

[Spirit of Hope]

Ukrainian government claims that the rebels took off the voice recordings of the pilots (saying what was happening during the accident).
Opinions?

I don't know anything about black boxes so I don't know if that's even possible.

I would be surprised if it was possible to access data from a black box at all without the proper authorization. I would be even more surprised if you could delete specific data from the black box. Probably afar an accident you can never delete the data, wouldn't be that hard to set up that way.

[Ducrotia]

The youngest person identified in the crash so far was 8.

There were three (?) babies in there.

Huh. Probably should've checked the date that article was published on before posting that. Stupid self.

[Ducrotia]

It bothers me a little that Malaysian Airlines was focused more on getting to their destination faster than getting there safely. I mean one of their planes already vanished without a trace. Maybe they should've taken that as a sign to be a little more careful?

[Vinco]

It bothers me a little that Malaysian Airlines was focused more on getting to their destination faster than getting there safely. I mean one of their planes already vanished without a trace. Maybe they should've taken that as a sign to be a little more careful?

Many other airlines used the exact same route. It's not as if Malaysia Airlines was alone. They followed all of the safety restrictions, such as staying above a restricted altitude, it could have happened to any of the many airlines flying that same route.

[Vinco]

I don't know anything about black boxes so I don't know if that's even possible.

I would be surprised if it was possible to access data from a black box at all without the proper authorization. I would be even more surprised if you could delete specific data from the black box. Probably afar an accident you can never delete the data, wouldn't be that hard to set up that way.

To my knowledge, it is quite easy to "erase" data from a "black box". All you basically have to do is cut the part of the tape you don't want. However, to experts, it can be spotted that the tape on the black box was tampered with, and that would raise questions about missing data.