Surge 2014: A debate on Illegal Immigration and US Policies.

[Threayce]

That isn't what you said. Like, at all.

Besides, the concept of "bringing america to them" is one part imperialistic, and another ridiculous.

>Bring America to them is imperialism
>Bring their country to America is not

Imperialism: a policy of extending a country's power and influence through diplomacy or military force.

Allowing people to come to our nation of their own free will is not imperialism.

America imposing its culture and society on other sovereign nations is imperialism.

This is not a complicated concept.

[Avenio]

Their problems are not ours. It's as simple as that. Those illegals ought to be deported and there's no reason for us to do otherwise.

Considering that the countries the refugees are coming from are in such terrible shape almost solely because of 100 years of American foreign policy in Central America going to hell Ina hand basket, I'd say that's obligation enough right there.

[Souldek]

The impact of this surge on local and national levels.
It's a issue on the taxpayer. It's also a national security issue, you say it's Central American children, but the whole world knows that border is not secure and American authorities aren't sending them back. I'm 100% certain that Islamic terrorists and Mexican drug cartels would be taking advantage of this. Also, what about the diseases they are bringing in that doctors and nurses are getting threatened for if they speak out?
how the policies of the administration did or did not contribute to the crisis.
Obama is the reason for this surge in illegal immigration. And I got a feeling it's on purpose for his benefit (not sure what he is doing, definitely not in the interests of the American people). I know the issue has always been there, but look at the MASSIVE increase over Obama's term. They should be deported for entering the country illegally, but Obama is sending a clear message that all are welcome and the numbers coming in will cripple the already fucked American economy.
Realistic solutions to "fix" or lessen the impact of this problem.
Get the national guard there, complete the construction of the border, and keep it secured.
Political ideology and personal beliefs and how they affect your side on the issue.
Not a big fan of immigration, but if people do it legally, I appreciate that. And if they are here to work, 2 things I hate is people on welfare, and people on welfare who aren't even from the country. What I don't agree with is people doing it illegally. It'd be great if people could come and live in developed nations and enjoy our lives, but in reality, it can't happen. Humanity is not equal and people need to get that through their heads. It's been the same since the birth of civilisation. You can't bring them in, they are a burden on the economy, and the citizens there. And in Americas situation, you have enough people living in poverty. Clean up your own yard before offering a hand to your neighbours, simple as that.

-I'm not American, but love that nation. Just getting really scared of the future of western society.

[Arkinesia]

>French statue

The poem was written by an American.

Also I don't know what the nation that made the statue has anything to do with its relevance to the discussion. If anything it just further validates the point, this is a great monoculture, we have no innate ethnic identity or cultural identity. We take all kinds of different bits of everyone else's culture, so why not take bits of other countries' aesthetics?

This country does have an ethnic identity that rather specifically outlined in the 1790 Naturalization Act. Unfortunately, certain elements have attempted to destroy this.

And many of those aesthetics are truly awful.

The 1790 Naturalization Act? That shit got repealed five years later. A repealed law is meaningless. The US has no ethnic identity and this is reinforced by both the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution as well as the McCarran-Walter Act of 1952.

Stop being wrong.

[Freiheit Reich]

Are you fucking serious? We're not going to prevent people from coming to the U.S. because they're poor. Sucks for you. We've had poor immigrants come into the U.S. for centuries, during all kinds of economic situations that our country and government has faced. My great grandfather - God rest his soul - was a poor immigrant from Sicily. Italians were the Central Americans of that era, treated rudely and stereotyped. They rejected him at Ellis Island, so a few years later, he illegally immigrated to Chicago through Canada. And over time, some members of his family got out of poverty, and today, his descendents are accountants, crime scene investigators, cops, business owners, firemen, and nurses. You say "Let's kick out the poor immigrants and only let in the rich ones." If we followed that rule, we would not exist as a country. We were born from impoverished, persecuted peoples.

"Inscription on the Statue of Liberty"

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

We have enough people. Send them to less crowded nations like Mongolia or perhaps to more liberal nations like Canada.

The new poem should read: "Give me your educated, your rich, your higher classes yearning to breath free, the wanted people of your teeming shore (so long as this shore is not on the national 'evil nation list') send these, the ambitious, to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door and to all else NO VACANCY."

[Kiruri]

"Inscription on the Statue of Liberty"

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

Because basing policy on a French statue is an astute idea.

Are you kidding me....

do you not know your history? That inscription isn't French

[Kiruri]

"Inscription on the Statue of Liberty"

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

We have enough people. Send them to less crowded nations like Mongolia or perhaps to more liberal nations like Canada.

The new poem should read: "Give me your educated, your rich, your higher classes yearning to breath free, the wanted people of your teeming shore (so long as this shore is not on the national 'evil nation list') send these, the ambitious, to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door and to all else NO VACANCY."

Such tha anti-american

[Blekksprutia]

Okay, again: Really, have some empathy.

Do you have ANY idea what these--mostly KIDS--have gone through to get here? Because first of all, these kids have gone through so much more than most of us ever will and are tougher and braver than most of us will ever be.

So, you've just arrived at the border. You're safer now. You've just gone through so much insane hardship, you just want to find a place where you know when your next meal will be, or that you'll have a next meal. And you're greeted with this warm welcome:

"Welcome! Before you come in, first you must find out if your are eligible to apply for naturalization! Review the naturalization eligibility worksheet to help you decide. Then you must either download or fill out in person the 34-page Form N-400 and send it to either Phoenix, Arizona or Dallas, Texas, depending on your current residence, (Of course, applications from current and former members of the US Military and close relatives of deceased members of the US Military go to Lincoln, Nebraska). Then send in two passport style photos of yourself, along with the necessary documents; a photocopy of both sides of your Permanent Resident Card; and 2 identical color photographs, with your name and Alien Registration Number (A-Number) written lightly in pencil on the back of each photo; and a check or money order for the application fee and the biometrics services fee for fingerprinting, as stated in the M-479, Current Naturalization Fees, enclosure in the Guide. Send your application package and filing fee to the appropriate Lockbox Facility or Service Center. Receive an appointment letter for biometric services from USCIS. Visit a USCIS fingerprinting location and have fingerprints taken. Receive an appointment for an interview with a USCIS Officer. Go to your local USCIS office at the specified time. Bring state-issued identification, Permanent Resident Card, and any additional documents specific to your case. Answer questions about your application and background. Take the English and civics tests. Then await a decision on your case."*

Oh, and by the way, you're eight years old and don't speak a word of English.

So, I'll end from my previous tirade:

What people say, both on and off NS, is really infuriating.

'Gee, how dare these kids try to escape a life of poverty, crime and turmoil and seek refuge in our huge country that could support them?'

Firstly, how can someone be so narrow-minded that they can't realize that America is completely made up of immigrants? How can someone be so cold and inhospitable to turn young, innocent refuge-seekers away at the border to go back to a life of hardship and turmoil, so disgustingly, abhorrently cruel that they can't even recognize that they're humans, no different from the kids you have at home, just that they were born in a different place? How is it an invasion when some of the invaders still need their formula heated? How dare someone refuse these young people the fundamental human right of a decent life when they've just gone through more hardship and struggle than your first-world mind could ever imagine?

How could you shut them out?

I hope I could shed some light on the issue.
Information on the naturalization process is quoted, and in some cases paraphrased, from the USCIS website and corresponding PDF files.

TL;DR: don't be an idiot.

[Norstal]

"Inscription on the Statue of Liberty"

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

We have enough people. Send them to less crowded nations like Mongolia or perhaps to more liberal nations like Canada.

The new poem should read: "Give me your educated, your rich, your higher classes yearning to breath free, the wanted people of your teeming shore (so long as this shore is not on the national 'evil nation list') send these, the ambitious, to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door and to all else NO VACANCY."

I could've sworn we broke free from the British because we wanted more freedom and justice for all.

[Wolffbaden]

"Inscription on the Statue of Liberty"

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

Sonnets from the 19th century inscribed on large statues gifted to us by foreign states and appeals to emotion that ask us to suspend common sense and forgo reasonable debate are not how we determine our national immigration policies and other important government affairs.

Sorry.

[Kraciva]

"Inscription on the Statue of Liberty"

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

We have enough people. Send them to less crowded nations like Mongolia or perhaps to more liberal nations like Canada.

The new poem should read: "Give me your educated, your rich, your higher classes yearning to breath free, the wanted people of your teeming shore (so long as this shore is not on the national 'evil nation list') send these, the ambitious, to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door and to all else NO VACANCY."

Sir...you do realize that unless those persons are citizens of Mongolia or Canada, we can't send them there, right? That's not how immigration works. Besides, even if these immigrants wanted to go there, let me tell you how stupid your idea is. I was trying to think of a nicer word for it, but that was the only word that came to mind. Let's look at a kid from Honduras. Possibly harassed by gangs. To get to Canada, he has to go through the US...see a problem there? To get to Mongolia, he has to get a plane ticket...which ain't cheap and also is required having to a learn a language and culture that is nowhere close to your own. Soooo tell me how this is a bright idea??

[Freiheit Reich]

Okay, again: Really, have some empathy.

Do you have ANY idea what these--mostly KIDS--have gone through to get here? Because first of all, these kids have gone through so much more than most of us ever will and are tougher and braver than most of us will ever be.

So, you've just arrived at the border. You're safer now. You've just gone through so much insane hardship, you just want to find a place where you know when your next meal will be, or that you'll have a next meal. And you're greeted with this warm welcome:

"Welcome! Before you come in, first you must find out if your are eligible to apply for naturalization! Review the naturalization eligibility worksheet to help you decide. Then you must either download or fill out in person the 34-page Form N-400 and send it to either Phoenix, Arizona or Dallas, Texas, depending on your current residence, (Of course, applications from current and former members of the US Military and close relatives of deceased members of the US Military go to Lincoln, Nebraska). Then send in two passport style photos of yourself, along with the necessary documents; a photocopy of both sides of your Permanent Resident Card; and 2 identical color photographs, with your name and Alien Registration Number (A-Number) written lightly in pencil on the back of each photo; and a check or money order for the application fee and the biometrics services fee for fingerprinting, as stated in the M-479, Current Naturalization Fees, enclosure in the Guide. Send your application package and filing fee to the appropriate Lockbox Facility or Service Center. Receive an appointment letter for biometric services from USCIS. Visit a USCIS fingerprinting location and have fingerprints taken. Receive an appointment for an interview with a USCIS Officer. Go to your local USCIS office at the specified time. Bring state-issued identification, Permanent Resident Card, and any additional documents specific to your case. Answer questions about your application and background. Take the English and civics tests. Then await a decision on your case."*

Oh, and by the way, you're eight years old and don't speak a word of English.

So, I'll end from my previous tirade:

What people say, both on and off NS, is really infuriating.

'Gee, how dare these kids try to escape a life of poverty, crime and turmoil and seek refuge in our huge country that could support them?'

Firstly, how can someone be so narrow-minded that they can't realize that America is completely made up of immigrants? How can someone be so cold and inhospitable to turn young, innocent refuge-seekers away at the border to go back to a life of hardship and turmoil, so disgustingly, abhorrently cruel that they can't even recognize that they're humans, no different from the kids you have at home, just that they were born in a different place? How is it an invasion when some of the invaders still need their formula heated? How dare someone refuse these young people the fundamental human right of a decent life when they've just gone through more hardship and struggle than your first-world mind could ever imagine?

How could you shut them out?

I hope I could shed some light on the issue.
Information on the naturalization process is quoted, and in some cases paraphrased, from the USCIS website and corresponding PDF files.

TL;DR: don't be an idiot.

Why can't Mexico help these poor Central American refugees out? They have a very similar culture (same language, religion) and Mexico is much closer. Why isn't the world asking Mexico, wealthier than the majority of nations in the world, to help out? Mexico is a nation of immigrants also.

The USA is always asked to bear the burden. The world knows the USA is a sucker and now expects us to bend over backwards yet again to save the world while destroying the nation.

An idea is to use the children for child labor, perhaps they work 3 days a week, go to school 3 days a week (factory schools taught using illegal immigrant teachers and volunteers), and get 1 day to rest and go to the factory church. The money from their profits would go to pay for their upkeep and the rest would go to help the govt. pay its debts. This plan would help us compete with China for manufactured labor while helping them get their freedom from gangs in Latin America.

Of course, this will never be allowed because the USA believes even illegal immigrant children should get full rights. Since they can't earn their keep-they must be sent back. If they could earn their keep than it might be OK to let them in.

Perhaps other nations could volunteer to take them in as indentured servants. If conditions are really bad in their homeland, they would jump at this opportunity.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Okay, again: Really, have some empathy.

Do you have ANY idea what these--mostly KIDS--have gone through to get here? Because first of all, these kids have gone through so much more than most of us ever will and are tougher and braver than most of us will ever be.

So, you've just arrived at the border. You're safer now. You've just gone through so much insane hardship, you just want to find a place where you know when your next meal will be, or that you'll have a next meal. And you're greeted with this warm welcome:

"Welcome! Before you come in, first you must find out if your are eligible to apply for naturalization! Review the naturalization eligibility worksheet to help you decide. Then you must either download or fill out in person the 34-page Form N-400 and send it to either Phoenix, Arizona or Dallas, Texas, depending on your current residence, (Of course, applications from current and former members of the US Military and close relatives of deceased members of the US Military go to Lincoln, Nebraska). Then send in two passport style photos of yourself, along with the necessary documents; a photocopy of both sides of your Permanent Resident Card; and 2 identical color photographs, with your name and Alien Registration Number (A-Number) written lightly in pencil on the back of each photo; and a check or money order for the application fee and the biometrics services fee for fingerprinting, as stated in the M-479, Current Naturalization Fees, enclosure in the Guide. Send your application package and filing fee to the appropriate Lockbox Facility or Service Center. Receive an appointment letter for biometric services from USCIS. Visit a USCIS fingerprinting location and have fingerprints taken. Receive an appointment for an interview with a USCIS Officer. Go to your local USCIS office at the specified time. Bring state-issued identification, Permanent Resident Card, and any additional documents specific to your case. Answer questions about your application and background. Take the English and civics tests. Then await a decision on your case."*

Oh, and by the way, you're eight years old and don't speak a word of English.

So, I'll end from my previous tirade:

What people say, both on and off NS, is really infuriating.

'Gee, how dare these kids try to escape a life of poverty, crime and turmoil and seek refuge in our huge country that could support them?'

Firstly, how can someone be so narrow-minded that they can't realize that America is completely made up of immigrants? How can someone be so cold and inhospitable to turn young, innocent refuge-seekers away at the border to go back to a life of hardship and turmoil, so disgustingly, abhorrently cruel that they can't even recognize that they're humans, no different from the kids you have at home, just that they were born in a different place? How is it an invasion when some of the invaders still need their formula heated? How dare someone refuse these young people the fundamental human right of a decent life when they've just gone through more hardship and struggle than your first-world mind could ever imagine?

How could you shut them out?

I hope I could shed some light on the issue.
Information on the naturalization process is quoted, and in some cases paraphrased, from the USCIS website and corresponding PDF files.

TL;DR: don't be an idiot.

Why can't Mexico help these poor Central American refugees out? They have a very similar culture (same language, religion) and Mexico is much closer. Why isn't the world asking Mexico, wealthier than the majority of nations in the world, to help out? Mexico is a nation of immigrants also.

The USA is always asked to bear the burden. The world knows the USA is a sucker and now expects us to bend over backwards yet again to save the world while destroying the nation.

An idea is to use the children for child labor, perhaps they work 3 days a week, go to school 3 days a week (factory schools taught using illegal immigrant teachers and volunteers), and get 1 day to rest and go to the factory church. The money from their profits would go to pay for their upkeep and the rest would go to help the govt. pay its debts. This plan would help us compete with China for manufactured labor while helping them get their freedom from gangs in Latin America.

Of course, this will never be allowed because the USA believes even illegal immigrant children should get full rights. Since they can't earn their keep-they must be sent back. If they could earn their keep than it might be OK to let them in.

Perhaps other nations could volunteer to take them in as indentured servants. If conditions are really bad in their homeland, they would jump at this opportunity.

Yea, let's also ask China if they can take some of our American homeless now why don't we?

[Kiruri]

Okay, again: Really, have some empathy.

Do you have ANY idea what these--mostly KIDS--have gone through to get here? Because first of all, these kids have gone through so much more than most of us ever will and are tougher and braver than most of us will ever be.

So, you've just arrived at the border. You're safer now. You've just gone through so much insane hardship, you just want to find a place where you know when your next meal will be, or that you'll have a next meal. And you're greeted with this warm welcome:

"Welcome! Before you come in, first you must find out if your are eligible to apply for naturalization! Review the naturalization eligibility worksheet to help you decide. Then you must either download or fill out in person the 34-page Form N-400 and send it to either Phoenix, Arizona or Dallas, Texas, depending on your current residence, (Of course, applications from current and former members of the US Military and close relatives of deceased members of the US Military go to Lincoln, Nebraska). Then send in two passport style photos of yourself, along with the necessary documents; a photocopy of both sides of your Permanent Resident Card; and 2 identical color photographs, with your name and Alien Registration Number (A-Number) written lightly in pencil on the back of each photo; and a check or money order for the application fee and the biometrics services fee for fingerprinting, as stated in the M-479, Current Naturalization Fees, enclosure in the Guide. Send your application package and filing fee to the appropriate Lockbox Facility or Service Center. Receive an appointment letter for biometric services from USCIS. Visit a USCIS fingerprinting location and have fingerprints taken. Receive an appointment for an interview with a USCIS Officer. Go to your local USCIS office at the specified time. Bring state-issued identification, Permanent Resident Card, and any additional documents specific to your case. Answer questions about your application and background. Take the English and civics tests. Then await a decision on your case."*

Oh, and by the way, you're eight years old and don't speak a word of English.

So, I'll end from my previous tirade:

What people say, both on and off NS, is really infuriating.

'Gee, how dare these kids try to escape a life of poverty, crime and turmoil and seek refuge in our huge country that could support them?'

Firstly, how can someone be so narrow-minded that they can't realize that America is completely made up of immigrants? How can someone be so cold and inhospitable to turn young, innocent refuge-seekers away at the border to go back to a life of hardship and turmoil, so disgustingly, abhorrently cruel that they can't even recognize that they're humans, no different from the kids you have at home, just that they were born in a different place? How is it an invasion when some of the invaders still need their formula heated? How dare someone refuse these young people the fundamental human right of a decent life when they've just gone through more hardship and struggle than your first-world mind could ever imagine?

How could you shut them out?

I hope I could shed some light on the issue.
Information on the naturalization process is quoted, and in some cases paraphrased, from the USCIS website and corresponding PDF files.

TL;DR: don't be an idiot.

Why can't Mexico help these poor Central American refugees out? They have a very similar culture (same language, religion) and Mexico is much closer. Why isn't the world asking Mexico, wealthier than the majority of nations in the world, to help out? Mexico is a nation of immigrants also.

The USA is always asked to bear the burden. The world knows the USA is a sucker and now expects us to bend over backwards yet again to save the world while destroying the nation.

An idea is to use the children for child labor, perhaps they work 3 days a week, go to school 3 days a week (factory schools taught using illegal immigrant teachers and volunteers), and get 1 day to rest and go to the factory church. The money from their profits would go to pay for their upkeep and the rest would go to help the govt. pay its debts. This plan would help us compete with China for manufactured labor while helping them get their freedom from gangs in Latin America.

Of course, this will never be allowed because the USA believes even illegal immigrant children should get full rights. Since they can't earn their keep-they must be sent back. If they could earn their keep than it might be OK to let them in.

Perhaps other nations could volunteer to take them in as indentured servants. If conditions are really bad in their homeland, they would jump at this opportunity.

I cannot believe you're that ignorant.. ¬¬

[Freiheit Reich]

We have enough people. Send them to less crowded nations like Mongolia or perhaps to more liberal nations like Canada.

The new poem should read: "Give me your educated, your rich, your higher classes yearning to breath free, the wanted people of your teeming shore (so long as this shore is not on the national 'evil nation list') send these, the ambitious, to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door and to all else NO VACANCY."

Sir...you do realize that unless those persons are citizens of Mongolia or Canada, we can't send them there, right? That's not how immigration works. Besides, even if these immigrants wanted to go there, let me tell you how stupid your idea is. I was trying to think of a nicer word for it, but that was the only word that came to mind. Let's look at a kid from Honduras. Possibly harassed by gangs. To get to Canada, he has to go through the US...see a problem there? To get to Mongolia, he has to get a plane ticket...which ain't cheap and also is required having to a learn a language and culture that is nowhere close to your own. Soooo tell me how this is a bright idea??

Canada would work. They could show the USA how compassionate they are by offering to take all illegal immigrants from the USA. We could put them on freight cars and send them to the border. We ask Canada's permission which they would have to give if they want to show their moral superiority to the evil USA (as many countries think of the USA).

The point I made about Mongolia was the fact that the USA is much more crowded than that nation. Nobody is asking them to take in millions of refugees but the USA is asked to do it again and again. The USA has over 300 million people and that number is fast growing. We are not the same nation we were when the Statue of Liberty was installed, we have plenty of people and we can now be picky about whom to accept..

A better idea would be shipping them to Iraq or Afghanistan. Those nations owe us big time for the billions we spent to rebuild their nations. We dump the immigrants there and they can find their own way back if they dislike it. If we do this a few times, it will scare most of the rest from trying to illegally enter the USA. Even better, we wouldn't look that bad vs. another popular idea which is to shoot anybody illegally crossing (also effective but controversial).

[Blakk Metal]

Why can't Mexico help these poor Central American refugees out? They have a very similar culture (same language, religion) and Mexico is much closer. Why isn't the world asking Mexico, wealthier than the majority of nations in the world, to help out? Mexico is a nation of immigrants also.

The USA is always asked to bear the burden. The world knows the USA is a sucker and now expects us to bend over backwards yet again to save the world while destroying the nation.

An idea is to use the children for child labor, perhaps they work 3 days a week, go to school 3 days a week (factory schools taught using illegal immigrant teachers and volunteers), and get 1 day to rest and go to the factory church. The money from their profits would go to pay for their upkeep and the rest would go to help the govt. pay its debts. This plan would help us compete with China for manufactured labor while helping them get their freedom from gangs in Latin America.

Of course, this will never be allowed because the USA believes even illegal immigrant children should get full rights. Since they can't earn their keep-they must be sent back. If they could earn their keep than it might be OK to let them in.

Perhaps other nations could volunteer to take them in as indentured servants. If conditions are really bad in their homeland, they would jump at this opportunity.

I cannot believe you're that ignorant.. ¬¬

Do you mean ignorant as stupid, or ignorant as politically correct. If it is the former, explain how, if it is the latter, nobody cares.

[Freiheit Reich]

Why can't Mexico help these poor Central American refugees out? They have a very similar culture (same language, religion) and Mexico is much closer. Why isn't the world asking Mexico, wealthier than the majority of nations in the world, to help out? Mexico is a nation of immigrants also.

The USA is always asked to bear the burden. The world knows the USA is a sucker and now expects us to bend over backwards yet again to save the world while destroying the nation.

An idea is to use the children for child labor, perhaps they work 3 days a week, go to school 3 days a week (factory schools taught using illegal immigrant teachers and volunteers), and get 1 day to rest and go to the factory church. The money from their profits would go to pay for their upkeep and the rest would go to help the govt. pay its debts. This plan would help us compete with China for manufactured labor while helping them get their freedom from gangs in Latin America.

Of course, this will never be allowed because the USA believes even illegal immigrant children should get full rights. Since they can't earn their keep-they must be sent back. If they could earn their keep than it might be OK to let them in.

Perhaps other nations could volunteer to take them in as indentured servants. If conditions are really bad in their homeland, they would jump at this opportunity.

Yea, let's also ask China if they can take some of our American homeless now why don't we?

Actually we should send our criminal and mentally ill homeless population to Middle Eastern nations that hate us. Let them deal with the problem.

[The 502nd SS]

Lets keep those illegals out of our country. I don't care that they have a hard life, they just need to suck it up and head back to the hell holes they call countries. I have seen first hand damage they can cause to hard working Americans such as property damage, theft, breaking and entering, murder, smuggling illegal drugs, and more. The first things I listed actually happened to me and my family.

Lets deport those things and better fortify our border.

[Avenio]

Canada would work.

Why? We already have double the net immigration rate the US does. We don't have to 'prove' anything.

If you have some sort of weird desire to round up the untermenschen and put them in box cars then that's, well, fine, but keep us out of your prison camp commandant fantasies, alright?

[Rio Cana]

Sir...you do realize that unless those persons are citizens of Mongolia or Canada, we can't send them there, right? That's not how immigration works. Besides, even if these immigrants wanted to go there, let me tell you how stupid your idea is. I was trying to think of a nicer word for it, but that was the only word that came to mind. Let's look at a kid from Honduras. Possibly harassed by gangs. To get to Canada, he has to go through the US...see a problem there? To get to Mongolia, he has to get a plane ticket...which ain't cheap and also is required having to a learn a language and culture that is nowhere close to your own. Soooo tell me how this is a bright idea??

Canada would work. They could show the USA how compassionate they are by offering to take all illegal immigrants from the USA. We could put them on freight cars and send them to the border. We ask Canada's permission which they would have to give if they want to show their moral superiority to the evil USA (as many countries think of the USA).

The point I made about Mongolia was the fact that the USA is much more crowded than that nation. Nobody is asking them to take in millions of refugees but the USA is asked to do it again and again. The USA has over 300 million people and that number is fast growing. We are not the same nation we were when the Statue of Liberty was installed, we have plenty of people and we can now be picky about whom to accept..

A better idea would be shipping them to Iraq or Afghanistan. Those nations owe us big time for the billions we spent to rebuild their nations. We dump the immigrants there and they can find their own way back if they dislike it. If we do this a few times, it will scare most of the rest from trying to illegally enter the USA. Even better, we wouldn't look that bad vs. another popular idea which is to shoot anybody illegally crossing (also effective but controversial).

Having said that the US owes those nations big time. After all, the people there never asked to be exploited by that US Banana company. They also did not ask for the US to interfere in there internal matters. El Salvador is one of the nations the kids are coming from. El Salvador on the insistence of the US even sent troops to Iraq.

Short video on the troops they sent to Iraq. They were involved there from 2003 to 2009.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=947_1237560470

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Sir...you do realize that unless those persons are citizens of Mongolia or Canada, we can't send them there, right? That's not how immigration works. Besides, even if these immigrants wanted to go there, let me tell you how stupid your idea is. I was trying to think of a nicer word for it, but that was the only word that came to mind. Let's look at a kid from Honduras. Possibly harassed by gangs. To get to Canada, he has to go through the US...see a problem there? To get to Mongolia, he has to get a plane ticket...which ain't cheap and also is required having to a learn a language and culture that is nowhere close to your own. Soooo tell me how this is a bright idea??

Canada would work. They could show the USA how compassionate they are by offering to take all illegal immigrants from the USA. We could put them on freight cars and send them to the border. We ask Canada's permission which they would have to give if they want to show their moral superiority to the evil USA (as many countries think of the USA).

The point I made about Mongolia was the fact that the USA is much more crowded than that nation. Nobody is asking them to take in millions of refugees but the USA is asked to do it again and again. The USA has over 300 million people and that number is fast growing. We are not the same nation we were when the Statue of Liberty was installed, we have plenty of people and we can now be picky about whom to accept..

A better idea would be shipping them to Iraq or Afghanistan. Those nations owe us big time for the billions we spent to rebuild their nations. We dump the immigrants there and they can find their own way back if they dislike it. If we do this a few times, it will scare most of the rest from trying to illegally enter the USA. Even better, we wouldn't look that bad vs. another popular idea which is to shoot anybody illegally crossing (also effective but controversial).

Yea, let's defenestrate everyone who dared come to the U.S and extort them to pay us a million dollars or we kill them at gunpoint. What could possibly do wrong?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Yea, let's also ask China if they can take some of our American homeless now why don't we?

Actually we should send our criminal and mentally ill homeless population to Middle Eastern nations that hate us. Let them deal with the problem.

Yea, that'd solve an economic crisis. We should also do away with those pesky Geneva conventions And labor laws and child labor laws, so inconvenient aren't they?

[Freiheit Reich]

Canada would work.

Why? We already have double the net immigration rate the US does. We don't have to 'prove' anything.

If you have some sort of weird desire to round up the untermenschen and put them in box cars then that's, well, fine, but keep us out of your prison camp commandant fantasies, alright?

The train cars are an attempt to ship large numbers of people at the cheapest way possible.

I just wonder how Canada would feel about getting millions of poor and uneducated immigrants from nations with high crime rates? Many of Canada's immigrants are wealthy Chinese (the kind the US needs over poor Central Americans).

How many illegal immigrants come into Canada vs. the USA? Illegals vs. legal immigrants is the important issue here.

[Kiruri]

I cannot believe you're that ignorant.. ¬¬

Do you mean ignorant as stupid, or ignorant as politically correct. If it is the former, explain how, if it is the latter, nobody cares.

Why can't Mexico help these poor Central American refugees out? They have a very similar culture (same language, religion) and Mexico is much closer. Why isn't the world asking Mexico, wealthier than the majority of nations in the world, to help out? Mexico is a nation of immigrants also.

Okay.. first off, Mexico isn't a nation of immigrants, and if I'm mistaken, I'd like some proof showing that mexico is a nation of immigrants on level with the US, because that's what you're getting at.

Mexico is doing what it can to solvent their own set of issues, which includes immigration. It's not sitting by idly, and claiming such a thing is stupid.

The USA is always asked to bear the burden. The world knows the USA is a sucker and now expects us to bend over backwards yet again to save the world while destroying the nation.

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The rest is irrelevant and serves in showing the level of ignorance the poster can reach.

[Freiheit Reich]

Actually we should send our criminal and mentally ill homeless population to Middle Eastern nations that hate us. Let them deal with the problem.

Yea, that'd solve an economic crisis. We should also do away with those pesky Geneva conventions And labor laws and child labor laws, so inconvenient aren't they?

I am against most child labor laws and the USA needs to get out of NATO and the UN and follow its own path.

Maybe the illegal immigrants could be useful. If we can find a profitable use for them than maybe they could be welcomed. You forget, the USA has a huge national debt, we can't afford to be generous to anybody right now until the debt is paid off.