Surge 2014: A debate on Illegal Immigration and US Policies.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

It's okay, you use the term "Third Worlder" for the same reason the Greeks invented the term Barbarian. To dehumanize people, and to create a psychological concept of "the other" in order to, in your mind, justify treating them differently from other people.

Well the very fact that they are not from here means they are an other. What am I gonna call them? Other-Americans? Or we can call them Third Worlders, because, you know, they're by and large from the Third World.

Why not just call them "Latin Americans" like, you know, the rest of educated people who are not just trying to stir shit up does? Because we all know you're talking about Latin Americans when you talk about illegal immigration.

Or is that too complicated for you?

[DEC-LAND]

In addition to that last point, the terms 1st, 2nd, and 3rd world do not apply to many countries anymore.
It used to be that:
1st=Capitalist/NATO
2nd=Communist/Warsaw Pact
3rd=undeveloped
Someone(I cannot remember who, sorry) coined the term BRIC nations to encompass Brazil, Russia, India, & China. None of which neatly fell into any description(at that point in time)

[Libertarian California]

Well the very fact that they are not from here means they are an other. What am I gonna call them? Other-Americans? Or we can call them Third Worlders, because, you know, they're by and large from the Third World.

Why not just call them "Latin Americans" like, you know, the rest of educated people who are not just trying to stir shit up does?

Or is that too complicated for you?

Well not all illegal immigrants are from Latin America.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Why not just call them "Latin Americans" like, you know, the rest of educated people who are not just trying to stir shit up does?

Or is that too complicated for you?

Well not all illegal immigrants are from Latin America.

So why not just say "Asians" "Europeans" and "African" then?

Is it too complicated for you to be civil?

[Geilinor]

Why not just call them "Latin Americans" like, you know, the rest of educated people who are not just trying to stir shit up does?

Or is that too complicated for you?

Well not all illegal immigrants are from Latin America.

Why not call them "illegal immigrants" or "undocumented immigrants"?

[Libertarian California]

Well not all illegal immigrants are from Latin America.

Why not call them "illegal immigrants" or "undocumented immigrants"?

Because supposedly, that is racist.

[Threayce]

It's okay, you use the term "Third Worlder" for the same reason the Greeks invented the term Barbarian. To dehumanize people, and to create a psychological concept of "the other" in order to, in your mind, justify treating them differently from other people.

Well the very fact that they are not from here means they are an other. What am I gonna call them? Other-Americans? Or we can call them Third Worlders, because, you know, they're by and large from the Third World.

You could call them people, as that's what they are.

Them simply being from a "Third World" country does not make them any less worthy of medical assistance than anyone else. However, by using dehumanizing language like Third Worlder, you take the venom out of the truth of what you are proposing; that being denying thousands of sick people good health and in some cases life itself simply because they are not on our side of the arbitrary line.

No, you aren't denying healthcare to people from Central America on the grounds that they are from Central America, or wherever. You are denying it to "Third Worlders". Which one sounds more inhumane?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Why not call them "illegal immigrants" or "undocumented immigrants"?

Because supposedly, that is racist.

No, calling them "illegals" is xenophobic. Calling them "illegal immigrants" isn't.

Illegal immigrants is the common usage. Illegals is as derogatory as calling me a mescan or a spic.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Why not call them "illegal immigrants" or "undocumented immigrants"?

Border jaywalkers

[Libertarian California]

Well not all illegal immigrants are from Latin America.

So why not just say "Asians" "Europeans" and "African" then?

Is it too complicated for you to be civil?

Well, how many are coming from Europe? This isn't 1840 or 1900. And outside of Europe and parts of Asia, they are coming from the Third World.

Honestly, how is "Third World" not civil. Is it not civil to say "First World"?

[Blakk Metal]

Does nobody seem to care about the diseases these people are bringing in?

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immigration-border-crisis/border-agent-contracts-scabies-after-handling-undocumented-immigrants-n148791
http://mesquitelocalnews.com/2014/07/illegal-immigrants-bringing-epidemic/
http://www.10news.com/news/2nd-immigrant-plane-heads-to-san-diego-as-protests-ramp-up-in-murrieta
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/02/us/california-immigrant-transfers/

1. skin disease conditions in homeless people are really unavoidable

So what? America doesn't want your ringworm.

2. it's actually a victory that dengue is shifting from the tropics! as a person who had it, son of people who had it 5 times together in total, I applaud it being no longer a neglected tropical disease

Why do you hate white people so much that you want them to catch deadly diseases? And why are you acting like it is an act of war?

3. chicken pox? pharyngitis? staph skin conditions? really?

All of them can be fatal.

So cures that we develop for our people are now up for grabs by third worlders?

Like we should have done years ago instead of letting it bite us in the ass.

We couldn't because you leftists banned DDT.

Well the very fact that they are not from here means they are an other. What am I gonna call them? Other-Americans? Or we can call them Third Worlders, because, you know, they're by and large from the Third World.

Just call them immigrants.

And lump them in with East Asians and East Europeans?

In addition to that last point, the terms 1st, 2nd, and 3rd world do not apply to many countries anymore.
It used to be that:
1st=Capitalist/NATO
2nd=Communist/Warsaw Pact
3rd=undeveloped

Since when was Yugoslavia poor?

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

mescan

wait what

this is a new one

[Libertarian California]

Well the very fact that they are not from here means they are an other. What am I gonna call them? Other-Americans? Or we can call them Third Worlders, because, you know, they're by and large from the Third World.

You could call them people, as that's what they are.

Them simply being from a "Third World" country does not make them any less worthy of medical assistance than anyone else. However, by using dehumanizing language like Third Worlder, you take the venom out of the truth of what you are proposing; that being denying thousands of sick people good health and in some cases life itself simply because they are not on our side of the arbitrary line.

No, you aren't denying healthcare to people from Central America on the grounds that they are from Central America, or wherever. You are denying it to "Third Worlders". Which one sounds more inhumane?

How do they sound any different? Central America is part of the Third World!

[Soldati Senza Confini]

We couldn't because you leftists banned DDT.

What does a pesticide that kills people have to do with any of this?

Unless you're suggesting that we should intoxicate Latin America to death.

[Geilinor]

1. skin disease conditions in homeless people are really unavoidable

So what? America doesn't want your ringworm.

2. it's actually a victory that dengue is shifting from the tropics! as a person who had it, son of people who had it 5 times together in total, I applaud it being no longer a neglected tropical disease

Why do you hate white people so much that you want them to catch deadly diseases?

There aren't just white people in the US and there are lots of white people in Brazil.

[Blakk Metal]

So why not just say "Asians" "Europeans" and "African" then?

Is it too complicated for you to be civil?

Well, how many are coming from Europe? This isn't 1840 or 1900. And outside of Europe and parts of Asia, they are coming from the Third World.

Honestly, how is "Third World" not civil. Is it not civil to say "First World"?

Third world is an incorrect outdated word that encompassed decent places like Yugoslavia.

[Libertarian California]

Because supposedly, that is racist.

No, calling them "illegals" is xenophobic. Calling them "illegal immigrants" isn't.

Illegal immigrants is the common usage. Illegals is as derogatory as calling me a mescan or a spic.

Is this a new thing or something?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

So why not just say "Asians" "Europeans" and "African" then?

Is it too complicated for you to be civil?

Well, how many are coming from Europe? This isn't 1840 or 1900. And outside of Europe and parts of Asia, they are coming from the Third World.

Honestly, how is "Third World" not civil. Is it not civil to say "First World"?

I don't call you a "First Worlder" because it's offensive and it smacks of ignorance because there's no such thing as a "first world" anymore.

[Libertarian California]

Well, how many are coming from Europe? This isn't 1840 or 1900. And outside of Europe and parts of Asia, they are coming from the Third World.

Honestly, how is "Third World" not civil. Is it not civil to say "First World"?

Third world is an incorrect outdated word that encompassed decent places like Yugoslavia.

Well, the Third World was anywhere that wasn't pro-US or pro-Soviet.

Like 85% of these places were/are terrible places

[Geilinor]

No, calling them "illegals" is xenophobic. Calling them "illegal immigrants" isn't.

Illegal immigrants is the common usage. Illegals is as derogatory as calling me a mescan or a spic.

Is this a new thing or something?

Not unless you've been sleeping under a rock. "Illegals" is dehumanizing, while specifying what is illegal is not.

[Threayce]

You could call them people, as that's what they are.

Them simply being from a "Third World" country does not make them any less worthy of medical assistance than anyone else. However, by using dehumanizing language like Third Worlder, you take the venom out of the truth of what you are proposing; that being denying thousands of sick people good health and in some cases life itself simply because they are not on our side of the arbitrary line.

No, you aren't denying healthcare to people from Central America on the grounds that they are from Central America, or wherever. You are denying it to "Third Worlders". Which one sounds more inhumane?

How do they sound any different? Central America is part of the Third World!

The difference being one is a proper term, and the other is dehumanizing language.

"What do you mean nigger sounds different than black? Niggers are black!"

[Libertarian California]

Well, how many are coming from Europe? This isn't 1840 or 1900. And outside of Europe and parts of Asia, they are coming from the Third World.

Honestly, how is "Third World" not civil. Is it not civil to say "First World"?

I don't call you a "First Worlder" because it's offensive and it smacks of ignorance because there's no such thing as a "first world" anymore.

How is it offensive? Seriously. Call me a First Worlder. I can guarantee you I'm not going to be phased. Hell, go ahead and use it in a derogatory sense!

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Why do you hate white people so much that you want them to catch deadly diseases? And why are you acting like it is an act of war?

"white people" thank you for implying that the world is divided into a big condo of beautiful Aryans and the slum of what else

Because it's a deadly disease that doesn't have a vaccine just because it wouldn't be profitable enough to develop one.

Also, don't act like dengue is ebola. With first world-quality medicine it's little more complex than the flu.

[Libertarian California]

How do they sound any different? Central America is part of the Third World!

The difference being one is a proper term, and the other is dehumanizing language.

"What do you mean nigger sounds different than black? Niggers are black!"

Third World is in no way like the word "nigger". Seriously, you're running on the assumption that it's offensive, and when I ask you to explain how, you just say it's offensive.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

No, calling them "illegals" is xenophobic. Calling them "illegal immigrants" isn't.

Illegal immigrants is the common usage. Illegals is as derogatory as calling me a mescan or a spic.

Is this a new thing or something?

No, it really isn't. It's just the fact that when people say "illegals" they say it with vitriol in mind, so it's derogatory.

You see, whenever a new word becomes popular with a certain group and they keep on using it it becomes part of offensive language. It's how "nigger" came to be known as a derogatory word. It isn't the word itself, it's whether it was uttered with vitriol or not.

The fact someone calls other person illegal is merely said to express vitriolic thoughts, that is the only way I have heard it used before even in real life.