Surge 2014: A debate on Illegal Immigration and US Policies.

[Libertarian California]

1.You say the word racist like it's supposed to validate anything.



2.It actually did establish one because it clearly outlined who could be an American. It was specifically aimed at one race of people. Hence it's ethnic.

Do I really need to explain how the aesthetics of Mexico are pretty bad?

1. You can only interpret "violent, backward" people in one way.

2. Yeah, but guess what, 1795 wasn't exactly a watershed year for race relations.
Please explain the aesthetic part.

Well, quite simply, Mexican aesthetics are reflective of a culture that promotes backwardness and seems to be passive to gang activity, hence why they seem to love putting those god awful murals on their buildings of some dead gang member. Not mention, when I went to Mexico City, people seemed to be quite okay with littering and general keep the city smelly.

[The 502nd SS]

No we should drop freedom on their cities

FIREBOMB MEXICO LEGALIZE NUCLEAR WEAPONS PACIFISM IS THEFT CURTIS LEMAY 2014

I wish we could just go ahead destroy mexico and the middle east. Would solve a lot of problems and would give me a nice view from my house.

[Libertarian California]

Hardly, because the vast majority of Mexicans there arrived in 20th century.

But the tradition from the Spanish predates any American development by hundreds of years.

No. Outside of the few churches, the land was populated by Indians who pretty much hated everything to do with Spain.

Probably the only viable Spanish-descended cultural practice that remains is the rodeo.

[Blakk Metal]

Hardly, because the vast majority of Mexicans there arrived in 20th century.

But the tradition from the Spanish predates any American development by hundreds of years.

The West used to be a Republican stronghold. Thanks to the Mestizos and Amerindians it ain't anymore.

I wish we could just go ahead destroy mexico and the middle east. Would solve a lot of problems and would give me a nice view from my house.

You'd also die from the heat.

[Libertarian California]

But the tradition from the Spanish predates any American development by hundreds of years.

The West used to be a Republican stronghold. Thanks to the Mestizos and Amerindians it ain't anymore.

Hell, back in the day, even the Asians here voted Republican.

[The 502nd SS]

But the tradition from the Spanish predates any American development by hundreds of years.

The West used to be a Republican stronghold. Thanks to the Mestizos and Amerindians it ain't anymore.

I wish we could just go ahead destroy mexico and the middle east. Would solve a lot of problems and would give me a nice view from my house.

You'd also die from the heat.

Ok fine my house is a good couple hundred miles from the border but still

[Soldati Senza Confini]

The US is also a nation of immigrants, but we should conveniently ignore that for the sake of our argument now should we?

You apparently cannot into context. The whole issue started with this suggestion:

Why can't Mexico help these poor Central American refugees out? They have a very similar culture (same language, religion) and Mexico is much closer. Why isn't the world asking Mexico, wealthier than the majority of nations in the world, to help out? Mexico is a nation of immigrants also.

And you apparently have an issue getting the point

[Blekksprutia]

1. If we just say "why can't mexico do ittttttt" then Mexico's going to say "why can't america do it?" and meanwhile the kids in question don't have forever.
2. The us didn't 'fix' Iraq >.<

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Imperialism: a policy of extending a country's power and influence through diplomacy or military force.

Allowing people to come to our nation of their own free will is not imperialism.

America imposing its culture and society on other sovereign nations is imperialism.

This is not a complicated concept.

Ever hear of cultural imperialism? Maybe you don't live in a Southwest state, but Mexican cultural influence here is quite overreaching.

And is that such a big issue to you that you can't possibly live anymore?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

The US is also a nation of immigrants, but we should conveniently ignore that for the sake of our argument now should we?

Technically no. It was founded by colonists who were by and large born in the colonies, and the immigrants that came later were of a very specific variety.

And who are these variety of people?

[The 502nd SS]

1. If we just say "why can't mexico do ittttttt" then Mexico's going to say "why can't america do it?" and meanwhile the kids in question don't have forever.
2. The us didn't 'fix' Iraq >.<

Because they refuse to be fixed. My Sgt. was deployed to Iraq and he said that their military is a bunch of crap and the soldiers have no motivation. Then everytime we try and help some terrorist blows himself up trying to ruin sh!t again.

[Libertarian California]

Technically no. It was founded by colonists who were by and large born in the colonies, and the immigrants that came later were of a very specific variety.

And who are these variety of people?

Europeans.

Yes, a tiny number of Asians came in, but their immigration was ended rather quickly.

[Libertarian California]

Ever hear of cultural imperialism? Maybe you don't live in a Southwest state, but Mexican cultural influence here is quite overreaching.

And is that such a big issue to you that you can't possibly live anymore?

Well yes, because Mexican cultural values could grow in influence to begin affecting government policy.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

1. You can only interpret "violent, backward" people in one way.

2. Yeah, but guess what, 1795 wasn't exactly a watershed year for race relations.
Please explain the aesthetic part.

Well, quite simply, Mexican aesthetics are reflective of a culture that promotes backwardness and seems to be passive to gang activity, hence why they seem to love putting those god awful murals on their buildings of some dead gang member. Not mention, when I went to Mexico City, people seemed to be quite okay with littering and general keep the city smelly.

What does culture have to do with immigration?

Are we so suddenly paranoid that immigrants will ruin the culture? I mean, if that's the case I know a place where they won't disturb you: it's called the country

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And is that such a big issue to you that you can't possibly live anymore?

Well yes, because Mexican cultural values could grow in influence to begin affecting government policy.

It's like you haven't seen our government lately.

We really don't need help from Mexico or other countries to fuck ourselves over, we do the work by ourselves.

[Kiruri]

Are you kidding me....

do you not know your history? That inscription isn't French

As if that makes the slightest difference in the absurdity of basing policy on a plaque.

Not that I ever implied or stated basing policy on an american poem...

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And who are these variety of people?

Europeans.

Yes, a tiny number of Asians came in, but their immigration was ended rather quickly.

Which was then repealed through counter legislation.

You're not really good at this.

[Libertarian California]

Well yes, because Mexican cultural values could grow in influence to begin affecting government policy.

It's like you haven't seen our government lately.

Well, thankful, Sonia Sotomayor doesn't have that much influence, but she's flat out admitted that she's going to factor in her ethnic identity in her judgement.

[Libertarian California]

Europeans.

Yes, a tiny number of Asians came in, but their immigration was ended rather quickly.

Which was then repealed through counter legislation.

You're not really good at this.

Repealed through counter legislation long after the nation's identity had been established, so no.

[Libertarian California]

Well yes, because Mexican cultural values could grow in influence to begin affecting government policy.

It's like you haven't seen our government lately.

We really don't need help from Mexico or other countries to fuck ourselves over, we do the work by ourselves.

Actually, having seen Mexico's government and Mexican politicians, if anything, they'd speed up the process.

[Libertarian California]

Well, quite simply, Mexican aesthetics are reflective of a culture that promotes backwardness and seems to be passive to gang activity, hence why they seem to love putting those god awful murals on their buildings of some dead gang member. Not mention, when I went to Mexico City, people seemed to be quite okay with littering and general keep the city smelly.

What does culture have to do with immigration?

Are we so suddenly paranoid that immigrants will ruin the culture? I mean, if that's the case I know a place where they won't disturb you: it's called the country

Culture has everything to do with immigration because this is the culture they bring with them.

No, the concern is that these people will grow in numbers large enough to begin influencing the government.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

It's like you haven't seen our government lately.

We really don't need help from Mexico or other countries to fuck ourselves over, we do the work by ourselves.

Actually, having seen Mexico's government and Mexican politicians, if anything, they'd speed up the process.

Trust me, it wouldn't. We're doing quite well on our own for fucking everyone we don't like over and then cry foul. This thread represents as much with you and others making it seem like if we solve the immigration issue by letting immigrants in we're going to suddenly see a post-apocalyptic wasteland.

[Libertarian California]

Actually, having seen Mexico's government and Mexican politicians, if anything, they'd speed up the process.

Trust me, it wouldn't. We're doing quite well on our own for fucking everyone we don't like over and then cry foul. This thread represents as much with you and others making it seem like if we solve the immigration issue by letting immigrants in we're going to suddenly see a post-apocalyptic wasteland.

No, but the country will eventually start to look like the country these immigrants came from, if present trends continue.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

What does culture have to do with immigration?

Are we so suddenly paranoid that immigrants will ruin the culture? I mean, if that's the case I know a place where they won't disturb you: it's called the country

Culture has everything to do with immigration because this is the culture they bring with them.

No, the concern is that these people will grow in numbers large enough to begin influencing the government.

Oh because white people are always right. Fuck them niggers and spics and chinks, right? I mean, we're worse than Neanderthals after all.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Trust me, it wouldn't. We're doing quite well on our own for fucking everyone we don't like over and then cry foul. This thread represents as much with you and others making it seem like if we solve the immigration issue by letting immigrants in we're going to suddenly see a post-apocalyptic wasteland.

No, but the country will eventually start to look like the country these immigrants came from, if present trends continue.

It really wouldn't. Now you're just grasping at straws, but nice job at showing how little you know about immigrants.