Ignorance, American Media and Partisan Polarization

[-Arabiyah-]

But I don't trust the state to do that. I'm sorry, I don't like the idea of the government telling people what to think of government.

They could do the weather, though. That's pretty objective.

Weather and shit's fine. World events, meh, it's okay.
It wouldn't be like North Korean propoganda.

Don't worry about DPRK Propoganda all they talk about is how great there nation is and Kim il song I don't really care. It's like fox.

[The Serbian Empire]

Why on earth do you want to watch Propoganda? I could imagine a state run news station a lot like it would be just like ABC news or CNN.

I'm not saying we scrap freedom of the press and make it all propoganda. I'm saying we put people on the news who just say what the fuck's going on and don't add crazy shit in, which won't happen in Murica without some kind of BBC-esque thing.

The American politicians would probably turn it into Saddam Hussein's type of propaganda channel. It won't be watched if it has no propaganda. Americans love jingoism and propaganda.

[Viritica]

If there is a solution, it will be slowly introducing publicly-funded unbiased news and sanity into the American Media. And it will take a long time, because if its too quick the frog will notice it's being cooked and it will call bullshit.

Any media run by the State will be biased. Unfortunately, unbiased media is simply impossible. People must be taught to think and learn for themselves. How that will happen, I haven't any idea.

Exactly.

[Sebtopiaris]

I'm not saying we scrap freedom of the press and make it all propoganda. I'm saying we put people on the news who just say what the fuck's going on and don't add crazy shit in.

I believe that this should happen^. I was a victim of Fox 5. I managed to survive it however.

Thank you. Unfortunately, I'm surrounded by some more Americans who automatically think state news= North Korean propoganda.
Britain's got this system. France's got this system. Australia's got this system. It's not all that scary scary unless the head of the people paying for it gets called "dear leader"

[The New Sea Territory]

But I don't trust the state to do that. I'm sorry, I don't like the idea of the government telling people what to think of government.

They could do the weather, though. That's pretty objective.

Weather and shit's fine. World events, meh, it's okay.
It wouldn't be like North Korean propoganda.

It wouldn't be blatant lies, sure, but its like if the writer of the book told you to buy it because it's a good book. You have no uninvolved party here.

[Sebtopiaris]

I'm not saying we scrap freedom of the press and make it all propoganda. I'm saying we put people on the news who just say what the fuck's going on and don't add crazy shit in, which won't happen in Murica without some kind of BBC-esque thing.

The American politicians would probably turn it into Saddam Hussein's type of propaganda channel. It won't be watched if it has no propaganda. Americans love jingoism and propaganda.

A man can dream of sanity, can he not? I mean, if we actually fucking educate people about shit, we might be able to get somewhere after a long time. Gotta plan for the long-term, bro.

[Sebtopiaris]

Weather and shit's fine. World events, meh, it's okay.
It wouldn't be like North Korean propoganda.

It wouldn't be blatant lies, sure, but its like if the writer of the book told you to buy it because it's a good book. You have no uninvolved party here.

And this is worse than the system you guys have now how exactly?

[The Serbian Empire]

The American politicians would probably turn it into Saddam Hussein's type of propaganda channel. It won't be watched if it has no propaganda. Americans love jingoism and propaganda.

A man can dream of sanity, can he not? I mean, if we actually fucking educate people about shit, we might be able to get somewhere after a long time. Gotta plan for the long-term, bro.

You can't make sanity out of a people who could fall for McCarthyism and two red scares.

[The New Sea Territory]

It wouldn't be blatant lies, sure, but its like if the writer of the book told you to buy it because it's a good book. You have no uninvolved party here.

And this is worse than the system you guys have now how exactly?

It's isn't worse. but about the same.

[The New Sea Territory]

A man can dream of sanity, can he not? I mean, if we actually fucking educate people about shit, we might be able to get somewhere after a long time. Gotta plan for the long-term, bro.

You can't make sanity out of a people who could fall for McCarthyism and two red scares.

Or people who believe Homosexuality in America is caused by legalizingBirth Control.

[Sebtopiaris]

A man can dream of sanity, can he not? I mean, if we actually fucking educate people about shit, we might be able to get somewhere after a long time. Gotta plan for the long-term, bro.

You can't make sanity out of a people who could fall for McCarthyism and two red scares.

Well then, I honestly don't know what we should do about America's problems. I mean, there are solutions, but they'd be terrible ones that aren't realistic without nuclear fallout blotting out the sun for months on end.

[Sebtopiaris]

And this is worse than the system you guys have now how exactly?

It's isn't worse. but about the same.

Look at the people in Europe and other places. Do they seriously appear as stupid to you as the average American does?

[-Arabiyah-]

I believe that this should happen^. I was a victim of Fox 5. I managed to survive it however.

Thank you. Unfortunately, I'm surrounded by some more Americans who automatically think state news= North Korean propoganda.
Britain's got this system. France's got this system. Australia's got this system. It's not all that scary scary unless the head of the people paying for it gets called "dear leader"

It's like PBS Europe isn't the best system to follow. It is infect a horrible system €6 for a beverage but €3 for wine or beer and gas is above the roof €5.50 for a liter yeah Europe is a wonderful system. Spain has a constitutional monarchy despite the fact it had a dictatorship before it why not just a full democracy instead of an embarrassment same for the UK. Russia I know that it isn't consider Europe economically or Politcally(Geopolitcs yes). But they are needing to cause genocide in Caucasia and invade a peninsula to look strong. And in places like Romania with horrible housing and expensive taxes and prices. Just to pay for news I don't think so europe is not the model for the world.

[Libantica]

The American politicians would probably turn it into Saddam Hussein's type of propaganda channel. It won't be watched if it has no propaganda. Americans love jingoism and propaganda.

A man can dream of sanity, can he not? I mean, if we actually fucking educate people about shit, we might be able to get somewhere after a long time. Gotta plan for the long-term, bro.

I agree with you that people need to be educated, but in our current society, who educates people? Oh, right. The State.

[Sebtopiaris]

A man can dream of sanity, can he not? I mean, if we actually fucking educate people about shit, we might be able to get somewhere after a long time. Gotta plan for the long-term, bro.

I agree with you that people need to be educated, but in our current society, who educates people? Oh, right. The State.

And? Look at Sweden. Smart people, lovely welfare state, way better than Ameri-Oh noes! Teh ebul state is ebulling deir kids in teh state schools!

[The Serbian Empire]

You can't make sanity out of a people who could fall for McCarthyism and two red scares.

Well then, I honestly don't know what we should do about America's problems. I mean, there are solutions, but they'd be terrible ones that aren't realistic without nuclear fallout blotting out the sun for months on end.

A controlled Balkanization might be necessary if only to produce more manageable government systems that can be overseen more easily. However, that's just a topic for another time.

[-Arabiyah-]

Schools are where the propagation begins. By Text books and crap like common core teachers hate it by the way. My school's text book for history says "Ayataollah Ruhollah Khoemnin is a extrem Moslem(I hate when spelled like that) who terrorized thousands of innocent Iranians along with Americans he also is abusive to the Iranian people much more than the former Shah of Iran." And I love Khomeni, Ayatollah Sayyid Khomeni is a heroic revolutionary Muslim who is bringing us all one step closer to the Ummah and Iranians love him.

[Sebtopiaris]

Thank you. Unfortunately, I'm surrounded by some more Americans who automatically think state news= North Korean propoganda.
Britain's got this system. France's got this system. Australia's got this system. It's not all that scary scary unless the head of the people paying for it gets called "dear leader"

It's like PBS Europe isn't the best system to follow. 1. It is infect a horrible system €6 for a beverage but €3 for wine or beer and gas is above the roof €5.50 for a liter yeah Europe is a wonderful system. 2.Spain has a constitutional monarchy despite the fact it had a dictatorship before it why not just a full democracy instead of an embarrassment same for the UK. 3.Russia I know that it isn't consider Europe economically or Politcally(Geopolitcs yes). But they are needing to cause genocide in Caucasia and invade a peninsula to look strong. 4.And in places like Romania with horrible housing and expensive taxes and prices. 5.Just to pay for news I don't think so europe is not the model for the world.

1.Maybe things can be more expensive because their money is worth less because they're smaller countries and have been hit hard by the GFC.
2. As much as I hate monarchy, it's not that bad, and there are plenty of republican states with wonderful policies. Namely France, Finland, Germany, Switzerland...
3.You just highlighted why your own fucking argument was irrelevant. Good job.
4. Romania is a post-soviet shithole, not a progressive wonderland like the European nations I was talking about.
5. Oh. Poor you. So many taxes.
Maybe it's a good thing they have that magical social safety net that you Americans (wrongfully) call Socialism.

[Sebtopiaris]

Well then, I honestly don't know what we should do about America's problems. I mean, there are solutions, but they'd be terrible ones that aren't realistic without nuclear fallout blotting out the sun for months on end.

A controlled Balkanization might be necessary if only to produce more manageable government systems that can be overseen more easily. However, that's just a topic for another time.

Oh yes. Balkanisation does make things easier to manage, and even the Mongols aren't the exception on this one. Golden Horde, anyone?

Schools are where the propagation begins. By Text books and crap like common core teachers hate it by the way. My school's text book for history says "Ayataollah Ruhollah Khoemnin is a extrem Moslem(I hate when spelled like that) who terrorized thousands of innocent Iranians along with Americans he also is abusive to the Iranian people much more than the former Shah of Iran." And I love Khomeni, Ayatollah Sayyid Khomeni is a heroic revolutionary Muslim who is bringing us all one step closer to the Ummah and Iranians love him.

So you want to replace biased textbooks with your ethnic-nationalist, fundamentalist bullshit that's caused genocides, encourages violent revolution and murder and has been inspired by the now-distorted preachings of a batshit crazy old shepherd who lived in Arabia over a thousand years ago? Makes total sense, bro.

[-Arabiyah-]

It's like PBS Europe isn't the best system to follow. 1. It is infect a horrible system €6 for a beverage but €3 for wine or beer and gas is above the roof €5.50 for a liter yeah Europe is a wonderful system. 2.Spain has a constitutional monarchy despite the fact it had a dictatorship before it why not just a full democracy instead of an embarrassment same for the UK. 3.Russia I know that it isn't consider Europe economically or Politcally(Geopolitcs yes). But they are needing to cause genocide in Caucasia and invade a peninsula to look strong. 4.And in places like Romania with horrible housing and expensive taxes and prices. 5.Just to pay for news I don't think so europe is not the model for the world.

1.Maybe things can be more expensive because their money is worth less because they're smaller countries and have been hit hard by the GFC.
2. As much as I hate monarchy, it's not that bad, and there are plenty of republican states with wonderful policies. Namely France, Finland, Germany, Switzerland...
3.You just highlighted why your own fucking argument was irrelevant. Good job.
4. Romania is a post-soviet shithole, not a progressive wonderland like the European nations I was talking about.
5. Oh. Poor you. So many taxes.
Maybe it's a good thing they have that magical social safety net that you Americans call Socialism.

Germany wonderful maybe the people and actual land but the government I don't think so. Pastarie is €4 and every last thing is a extra €. And there are scam artists selling the same crap all over the damn place be it in Rome or Pisa same folding bowl I'm sick of it! And I swaer it's the same African man selling it. I want to know where they get there inventory because those bowls are so cool. Even up in Innsburck same people and München. It dosnt bother me but the fact they resort to that and beggars too who are gypsies. But there are genuine poor people who are begging who are missing limbs who need money holding cups asking for coins is this your great progressiveness and every car being a damn stick shift and also having a peddale to turn on a faucet no wonder us Muslims in the middle east are making so much money selling oil to every one.

[Sebtopiaris]

1.Maybe things can be more expensive because their money is worth less because they're smaller countries and have been hit hard by the GFC.
2. As much as I hate monarchy, it's not that bad, and there are plenty of republican states with wonderful policies. Namely France, Finland, Germany, Switzerland...
3.You just highlighted why your own fucking argument was irrelevant. Good job.
4. Romania is a post-soviet shithole, not a progressive wonderland like the European nations I was talking about.
5. Oh. Poor you. So many taxes.
Maybe it's a good thing they have that magical social safety net that you Americans call Socialism.

Germany wonderful maybe the people and actual land but the government I don't think so. Pastarie is €4 and every last thing is a extra €. And there are scam artists selling the same crap all over the damn place be it in Rome or Pisa same folding bowl I'm sick of it! And I swaer it's the same African man selling it. I want to know where they get there inventory because those bowls are so cool. Even up in Innsburck same people and München. It dosnt bother me but the fact they resort to that and beggars too who are gypsies. But there are genuine poor people who are begging who are missing limbs who need money holding cups asking for coins is this your great progressiveness and every car being a damn stick shift and also having a peddale to turn on a faucet no wonder us Muslims in the middle east are making so much money selling oil to every one.

Sounds like a badly-worded tourist review as opposed to an argument. Speak proper English and actually argue.

[-Arabiyah-]

Germany wonderful maybe the people and actual land but the government I don't think so. Pastarie is €4 and every last thing is a extra €. And there are scam artists selling the same crap all over the damn place be it in Rome or Pisa same folding bowl I'm sick of it! And I swaer it's the same African man selling it. I want to know where they get there inventory because those bowls are so cool. Even up in Innsburck same people and München. It dosnt bother me but the fact they resort to that and beggars too who are gypsies. But there are genuine poor people who are begging who are missing limbs who need money holding cups asking for coins is this your great progressiveness and every car being a damn stick shift and also having a peddale to turn on a faucet no wonder us Muslims in the middle east are making so much money selling oil to every one.

Sounds like a badly-worded tourist review as opposed to an argument. Speak proper English and actually argue.

The Argument is that the prices due to inflation are insane along with the fact that beggars who my heart goes out to have to sit on the streets begging is horrible where is the EU? I'm not talking about gypsies I mean the old and the ones with out limbs. The EU is a failed cause. Europe has a beautiful landscape and very nice people but the government spoile it. nearly 6 months to mail from say Italy or Germany to Anonther country like Saudi Arabia? And all of you Europeans coming down to Dubai because you can't take it any more.

[Estado Paulista]

The left demonizes those who disagree with them. But they don't throw around words like "communist" and "socialist". Instead they use terms like "racist", "sexist", and "xenophobic".

Let me remind you there is no "Left". You, I assume to be a conservative in American terms, are far-right. The Democrats are, by and large, Centrist, somewhat leaning right in practice when they try to compromise with you.

America has no real leftist party.

You don't necessarily need to belong to a political party to support a political ideology. America might not have a "real leftist party", but there are plenty of American left-wingers who, just like the "religious right", throw around scary buzzwords in order to reinforce their beliefs.

[The New Sea Territory]

Let me remind you there is no "Left". You, I assume to be a conservative in American terms, are far-right. The Democrats are, by and large, Centrist, somewhat leaning right in practice when they try to compromise with you.

America has no real leftist party.

You don't necessarily need to belong to a political party to support a political ideology. America might not have a "real leftist party", but there are plenty of American left-wingers who, just like the "religious right", throw around scary buzzwords in order to reinforce their beliefs.

Yes, of course. But there is no party or media that supports leftism in mainstream America. Even some progressive news, like TYT (which I do enjoy).

[Saiwania]

Yes, of course. But there is no party or media that supports leftism in mainstream America.

If you're conservative you vote Republican and if you're liberal you vote Democrat. This is how it has been in America since forever. I'd say there are plenty of leftist organizations in the US. Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), and Weather Underground for example. These were so radically to the left as to be Marxist.