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Postby The New Sea Territory » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:43 pm

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Well, if we want to go into details, condoms are very good for anal simply because you don't want to get diseases.

I think it's dumb because there were PLENTY of homosexuals before Birth Control was legalized, and she is just still blaming the Sexual Revolution for all modern problems.


Yeah look man I see where you're coming from I agree 100% I'm not pro-gay or pro-abortion but facts are facts. And I agree gays have been around long before this and are still the same and still want Marraige it's just a difference in culture and how open the LGBT community is about it as I see it.


Thank you for supporting facts. On the gay marriage issue: We aren't asking for Muslim-ordained marriages, just legal ones.

On topic: How would you change things to fix this mess of information we call mainstream media?
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Postby Libantica » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:44 pm

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Sebtopiaris wrote:You wanna see state capitalism, look at the market reforms in China. It's so sad they had to ruin Market Socialism by naming their bogus policies after it.


Nono stahp make a new thread for this.

On topic:

So, what is the solution to this mess?

Uhhh... Anarchy. Is solution to everything.
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Postby Sebtopiaris » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:44 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Sebtopiaris wrote:You wanna see state capitalism, look at the market reforms in China. It's so sad they had to ruin Market Socialism by naming their bogus policies after it.


Nono stahp make a new thread for this.

On topic:

So, what is the solution to this mess?

If there is a solution, it will be slowly introducing publicly-funded unbiased news and sanity into the American Media. And it will take a long time, because if its too quick the frog will notice it's being cooked and it will call bullshit.
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Postby -Arabiyah- » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:45 pm

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I'm not pro-gay or pro-abortion

How come? There's no reason to not be.


I'm not pro-gay because I think it's morally wrong and it is satanic and against my religion but my religion also preaches to leave them in peace. I am anti-abortion because it is murder. Pleas do not make a whole covorsation about this because I hate it when threads get jacked kinda breaks my heart.
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Postby Sebtopiaris » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:45 pm

Libantica wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
Nono stahp make a new thread for this.

On topic:

So, what is the solution to this mess?

Uhhh... Anarchy. Is solution to everything.

No it isn't. It seldom is.
We need to fix things and actually educate people about shit, not just turn public schooling into a daycare system.
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Postby Libantica » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:46 pm

Sebtopiaris wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
Nono stahp make a new thread for this.

On topic:

So, what is the solution to this mess?

If there is a solution, it will be slowly introducing publicly-funded unbiased news and sanity into the American Media. And it will take a long time, because if its too quick the frog will notice it's being cooked and it will call bullshit.

Any media run by the State will be biased. Unfortunately, unbiased media is simply impossible. People must be taught to think and learn for themselves. How that will happen, I haven't any idea.
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Postby -Arabiyah- » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:47 pm

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Yeah look man I see where you're coming from I agree 100% I'm not pro-gay or pro-abortion but facts are facts. And I agree gays have been around long before this and are still the same and still want Marraige it's just a difference in culture and how open the LGBT community is about it as I see it.


Thank you for supporting facts. On the gay marriage issue: We aren't asking for Muslim-ordained marriages, just legal ones.

On topic: How would you change things to fix this mess of information we call mainstream media?


America isn't what I call a "Ummah" nation or a Muslim majorty nation so to be honest I don't care what laws are passed here it isn't affecting Islam or going against a Muslim majority. So I gusse but abortion though I still see as murder regaurdless of nation religion tribe or race.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:47 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Sebtopiaris wrote:You wanna see state capitalism, look at the market reforms in China. It's so sad they had to ruin Market Socialism by naming their bogus policies after it.


Nono stahp make a new thread for this.

On topic:

So, what is the solution to this mess?

There is no solution. The Americans can be lead to non-polarized news but will they drink it?
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Postby Sebtopiaris » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:47 pm

Libantica wrote:
Sebtopiaris wrote:If there is a solution, it will be slowly introducing publicly-funded unbiased news and sanity into the American Media. And it will take a long time, because if its too quick the frog will notice it's being cooked and it will call bullshit.

Any media run by the State will be biased. Unfortunately, unbiased media is simply impossible. People must be taught to think and learn for themselves. How that will happen, I haven't any idea.

Well then, we could still at least publicly fund (aka give moniez to) sane news and subsidize it in addition with fixing up the education system alot.
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Postby -Arabiyah- » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:48 pm

Well make Live Stream a TV station that would take care of a lot.
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Postby Libantica » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:49 pm

Sebtopiaris wrote:
Libantica wrote:Any media run by the State will be biased. Unfortunately, unbiased media is simply impossible. People must be taught to think and learn for themselves. How that will happen, I haven't any idea.

Well then, we could still at least publicly fund (aka give moniez to) sane news and subsidize it in addition with fixing up the education system alot.

Can you give me an example of sane news? And I agree that the education system needs fixed.
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Postby Sebtopiaris » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:50 pm

Libantica wrote:
Sebtopiaris wrote:Well then, we could still at least publicly fund (aka give moniez to) sane news and subsidize it in addition with fixing up the education system alot.

Can you give me an example of sane news? And I agree that the education system needs fixed.

State-funded and state run, but not necessarily controlled like Orwell's 1984. A magical thing called the BBC and the Australian ABC comes to mind, and they're more sane than American media.
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Postby Libantica » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:51 pm

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Libantica wrote:Can you give me an example of sane news? And I agree that the education system needs fixed.

State-funded and state run, but not necessarily controlled like Orwell's 1984. A magical thing called the BBC and the Australian ABC comes to mind, and they're more sane than American media.

Would a State-funded and State-run not have a pro-State bias?
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Postby -Arabiyah- » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:51 pm

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Libantica wrote:Can you give me an example of sane news? And I agree that the education system needs fixed.

State-funded and state run, but not necessarily controlled like Orwell's 1984. A magical thing called the BBC and the Australian ABC comes to mind, and they're more sane than American media.


There liars there just not as bad as say MSNBC or FOX. I think it should be shown like liveleak where you can see actual footage of what going on with out a pesky news anchor.
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Postby Sebtopiaris » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:53 pm

Libantica wrote:
Sebtopiaris wrote:State-funded and state run, but not necessarily controlled like Orwell's 1984. A magical thing called the BBC and the Australian ABC comes to mind, and they're more sane than American media.

Would a State-funded and State-run not have a pro-State bias?

Freedom of the press, man. It's just that the state owns it and pays for it, and while it is a bit biased it's not as bad as what's here now.
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Postby Libantica » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:54 pm

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Libantica wrote:Would a State-funded and State-run not have a pro-State bias?

Freedom of the press, man. It's just that the state owns it and pays for it, and while it is a bit biased it's not as bad as what's here now.

How does the State owning a media outlet make it unbiased?
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Postby -Arabiyah- » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:54 pm

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Libantica wrote:Would a State-funded and State-run not have a pro-State bias?

Freedom of the press, man. It's just that the state owns it and pays for it, and while it is a bit biased it's not as bad as what's here now.


Why on earth do you want to watch Propoganda? I could imagine a state run news station a lot like it would be just like ABC news or CNN.
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Postby Sebtopiaris » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:55 pm

Libantica wrote:
Sebtopiaris wrote:Freedom of the press, man. It's just that the state owns it and pays for it, and while it is a bit biased it's not as bad as what's here now.

How does the State owning a media outlet make it unbiased?

It is a bit biased, but as long as it's sane it's not that bad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC
LOOK AT IT!!! TASTE THE SANITY!!!
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Postby -Arabiyah- » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:57 pm

Libantica wrote:
Sebtopiaris wrote:Freedom of the press, man. It's just that the state owns it and pays for it, and while it is a bit biased it's not as bad as what's here now.

How does the State owning a media outlet make it unbiased?


Warsaw Pact TV News Paper and TV go watch some of that than watch some TV from Saddam Era Iraq than CNN & ABC and MSNBC and tell me what they have in common :).
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Postby Sebtopiaris » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:58 pm

-Arabiyah- wrote:
Sebtopiaris wrote:Freedom of the press, man. It's just that the state owns it and pays for it, and while it is a bit biased it's not as bad as what's here now.


Why on earth do you want to watch Propoganda? I could imagine a state run news station a lot like it would be just like ABC news or CNN.

I'm not saying we scrap freedom of the press and make it all propoganda. I'm saying we put people on the news who just say what the fuck's going on and don't add crazy shit in, which won't happen in Murica without some kind of BBC-esque thing.
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Postby Sebtopiaris » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:59 pm

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Libantica wrote:How does the State owning a media outlet make it unbiased?


Warsaw Pact TV News Paper and TV go watch some of that than watch some TV from Saddam Era Iraq than CNN & ABC and MSNBC and tell me what they have in common :).

And then watch the British news, which is from a state-owned corporation but isn't batshit crazy.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:59 pm

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Why on earth do you want to watch Propoganda? I could imagine a state run news station a lot like it would be just like ABC news or CNN.

I'm not saying we scrap freedom of the press and make it all propoganda. I'm saying we put people on the news who just say what the fuck's going on and don't add crazy shit in.


But I don't trust the state to do that. I'm sorry, I don't like the idea of the government telling people what to think of government.

They could do the weather, though. That's pretty objective.
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Postby Giliberafta » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:59 pm

Sebtopiaris wrote:
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Why on earth do you want to watch Propoganda? I could imagine a state run news station a lot like it would be just like ABC news or CNN.

I'm not saying we scrap freedom of the press and make it all propoganda. I'm saying we put people on the news who just say what the fuck's going on and don't add crazy shit in.

I believe that this should happen^. I was a victim of Fox 5. I managed to survive it however.

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Postby -Arabiyah- » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:59 pm

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Why on earth do you want to watch Propoganda? I could imagine a state run news station a lot like it would be just like ABC news or CNN.

I'm not saying we scrap freedom of the press and make it all propoganda. I'm saying we put people on the news who just say what the fuck's going on and don't add crazy shit in.


I was trying to qoute the guy you quoted. sorry
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Postby Sebtopiaris » Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:00 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Sebtopiaris wrote:I'm not saying we scrap freedom of the press and make it all propoganda. I'm saying we put people on the news who just say what the fuck's going on and don't add crazy shit in.


But I don't trust the state to do that. I'm sorry, I don't like the idea of the government telling people what to think of government.

They could do the weather, though. That's pretty objective.

Weather and shit's fine. World events, meh, it's okay.
It wouldn't be like North Korean propoganda.
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