SWAT flashbang versus an infants face

[Scomagia]

Which doesn't mean they were high.

Let me rephrase that.
They were bring dangerous, tweaking strangers into a house with an infant there.

I know what you mean. I'm just pointing out that your assertion that they were high on meth may or may not be accurate.

[Spoder]

The child that was hurt, their sibling and parents, were not drug dealers or drug users. The owner of the house, whom they were staying with, were.

Again, the fault lies not entirely with the officers, but the irresponsible adult figures. Besides, if they had reasonable suspicion that there were armed men in the residence, I don't blame them for their caution. I'm not denying that this is a terrible event, because it is terrible . But it's irresponsible to say that only the officers are to blame.

It's irresponsible to blame the officers at all. They were acting exactly as one could expect based on half-assed intelligence gathering that was conducted by one civilian informant.

Fault of the intelligence gathering 100%

[Viritica]

People standing in front of it trying to block it. That seems to be what they assumed. I mean, it's not all that common for mothers to use their child's cribs as makeshift barricades.

No, but it's entirely possible that drug dealers might have stuck some furniture there to slow the cops down. Far more likely than them having someone braced against the door at 3 in the morning.

And hiding behind that piece of furniture could be thugs waiting to ambush the police. Like I said, they were told that they were armed men there.

[Scomagia]

The blame is with the judge for rubber stamping the warrant based solely on information from an informant.

Which turned out to be true.

Whether or not it turned out to be true is irrelevant. The fact is the judge should have demanded more than someone saying they bought drugs from someone else.

[Shark pond]

Again, the fault lies not entirely with the officers, but the irresponsible adult figures. Besides, if they had reasonable suspicion that there were armed men in the residence, I don't blame them for their caution. I'm not denying that this is a terrible event, because it is terrible . But it's irresponsible to say that only the officers are to blame.

The blame is with the judge for rubber stamping the warrant based solely on information from an informant.

is this based solely on the informant? all I read was that an informant had purchased meth a few hours earlier. not that that was the only evidence they had.

[Disgusting Ones]

Ban toddlers.

LOL

[Conkerials]

Again, the fault lies not entirely with the officers, but the irresponsible adult figures. Besides, if they had reasonable suspicion that there were armed men in the residence, I don't blame them for their caution. I'm not denying that this is a terrible event, because it is terrible . But it's irresponsible to say that only the officers are to blame.

It's irresponsible to blame the officers at all. They were acting exactly as one could expect based on half-assed intelligence gathering that was conducted by one civilian informant.

Fault of the intelligence gathering 100%

Let's not forget the people selling drugs in the house that caused this whole event in the first place.

[Spoder]

It's irresponsible to blame the officers at all. They were acting exactly as one could expect based on half-assed intelligence gathering that was conducted by one civilian informant.

Fault of the intelligence gathering 100%

Let's not forget the people selling drugs in the house that caused this whole event in the first place.

Aside from the obvious

[Scomagia]

Ban toddlers.

LOL

Thank you for that brilliant, eloquently worded contribution.

[Ostroeuropa]

Again, the fault lies not entirely with the officers, but the irresponsible adult figures. Besides, if they had reasonable suspicion that there were armed men in the residence, I don't blame them for their caution. I'm not denying that this is a terrible event, because it is terrible . But it's irresponsible to say that only the officers are to blame.

It's irresponsible to blame the officers at all. They were acting exactly as one could expect based on half-assed intelligence gathering that was conducted by one civilian informant.

Fault of the intelligence gathering 100%

So in order to get someone probably killed or severely wounded all I gotta do is call the police and give a half-assed and hazy version of what they are up to.
Then the police will charge in guns blazing and get them killed.
This system is great bros, I gotta make a call.

Fine. Don't blame the police officers if you want. Blame their chief and the training regiment. Blame whoever decided that a mere informant is sufficient to decide to:
1. Go in
2. Go in without recon
3. Go in with fucking weaponry

[Paddy O Fernature]

It's irresponsible to blame the officers at all. They were acting exactly as one could expect based on half-assed intelligence gathering that was conducted by one civilian informant.

Fault of the intelligence gathering 100%

Let's not forget the people selling drugs in the house that caused this whole event in the first place.

Or the fucked up mom for putting a kid in that situation in the first place.

[Scomagia]

Let's not forget the people selling drugs in the house that caused this whole event in the first place.

Or the fucked up mom for putting a kid in that situation in the first place.

Isn't it fun to judge people we've never met about their living circumstances?

[Ifreann]

No, but it's entirely possible that drug dealers might have stuck some furniture there to slow the cops down. Far more likely than them having someone braced against the door at 3 in the morning.

And hiding behind that piece of furniture could be thugs waiting to ambush the police. Like I said, they were told that they were armed men there.

Yes, they were. That's not a reason not to try and find out what's behind the door before throwing in a flashbang.

[Conkerials]

Which turned out to be true.

Whether or not it turned out to be true is irrelevant. The fact is the judge should have demanded more than someone saying they bought drugs from someone else.

No, it's not irrelevant. Sure, they need to be more careful. But hey, they were right. They arrested the people selling the meth. And what is insubstantial about the evidence?

[Ostroeuropa]

It's irresponsible to blame the officers at all. They were acting exactly as one could expect based on half-assed intelligence gathering that was conducted by one civilian informant.

Fault of the intelligence gathering 100%

Let's not forget the people selling drugs in the house that caused this whole event in the first place.

I don't see how it's their fault that a bunch of busybodies and people who can't mind their own business decided to hijack the government to enforce a moral crusade.

[Paddy O Fernature]

It's irresponsible to blame the officers at all. They were acting exactly as one could expect based on half-assed intelligence gathering that was conducted by one civilian informant.

Fault of the intelligence gathering 100%

So in order to get someone probably killed or severely wounded all I gotta do is call the police and give a half-assed and hazy version of what they are up to.
Then the police will charge in guns blazing and get them killed.
This system is great bros, I gotta make a call.

Fine. Don't blame the police officers if you want. Blame their chief and the training regiment. Blame whoever decided that a mere informant is sufficient to decide to:
1. Go in
2. Go in without recon
3. Go in with fucking weaponry

And what should they have gone in with, when Intel suggest that their are possibly armed personnel on the premiss? Nerf darts and harsh words?

[Scomagia]

It's irresponsible to blame the officers at all. They were acting exactly as one could expect based on half-assed intelligence gathering that was conducted by one civilian informant.

Fault of the intelligence gathering 100%

So in order to get someone probably killed or severely wounded all I gotta do is call the police and give a half-assed and hazy version of what they are up to.
Then the police will charge in guns blazing and get them killed.
This system is great bros, I gotta make a call.

Fine. Don't blame the police officers if you want. Blame their chief and the training regiment. Blame whoever decided that a mere informant is sufficient to decide to:
1. Go in
2. Go in without recon
3. Go in with fucking weaponry

Depending on where you are and who the judge is, that can be enough to raid your home.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Or the fucked up mom for putting a kid in that situation in the first place.

Isn't it fun to judge people we've never met about their living circumstances?

Yup, sure is.

[Spoder]

Or the fucked up mom for putting a kid in that situation in the first place.

Isn't it fun to judge people we've never met about their living circumstances?

I would say in this case it is fair.

1. She is/was married to a drug dealer.

2. She decided to have a child with the drug dealer.

3. She was willing to risk this child's life for drugs.

[Ostroeuropa]

So in order to get someone probably killed or severely wounded all I gotta do is call the police and give a half-assed and hazy version of what they are up to.
Then the police will charge in guns blazing and get them killed.
This system is great bros, I gotta make a call.

Fine. Don't blame the police officers if you want. Blame their chief and the training regiment. Blame whoever decided that a mere informant is sufficient to decide to:
1. Go in
2. Go in without recon
3. Go in with fucking weaponry

And what should they have gone in with, when Intel suggest that their are possibly armed personnel on the premiss? Nerf darts and harsh words?

A clue as to what the fuck was going on would be a start.

[Viritica]

And hiding behind that piece of furniture could be thugs waiting to ambush the police. Like I said, they were told that they were armed men there.

Yes, they were. That's not a reason not to try and find out what's behind the door before throwing in a flashbang.

What exactly do you propose they do? Their job is to get in there as quickly as possible. They'd already lost the element of surprise. For all they know the dealer could of been flushing the drugs down the toilet.

[Conkerials]

Let's not forget the people selling drugs in the house that caused this whole event in the first place.

I don't see how it's their fault that a bunch of busybodies and people who can't mind their own business decided to hijack the government to enforce a moral crusade.

They were selling Methamphetamine, that's how it's their fault.

[Scomagia]

Isn't it fun to judge people we've never met about their living circumstances?

Yup, sure is.

I bet it sure is comfy on that high-horse, just make sure not to fall off. It'd be a long drop.

[Spoder]

And what should they have gone in with, when Intel suggest that their are possibly armed personnel on the premiss? Nerf darts and harsh words?

A clue as to what the fuck was going on would be a start.

The intel came out to be half-assed after the raid. Before that, I can imagine it seemed fairly complete.

Informant goes in with the limit of seeing whatever he walks past as he is lead to the deal area.

Reports X number of men with X number of arms, in X positions.

I wouldn't even blame the informant. I would blame the police force for not deciding to perform any additional recon.

[Ostroeuropa]

Yes, they were. That's not a reason not to try and find out what's behind the door before throwing in a flashbang.

What exactly do you propose they do? Their job is to get in there as quickly as possible. They'd already lost the element of surprise. For all they know the dealer could of been flushing the drugs down the toilet.

And clearly, putting peoples lives at risk is worth getting that evidence of consenting adults doing their own thing in their own time.
It's well worth all the dead babies and shit.
Maybe if we start calling all the busybodies and prudes "babykillers" they might start to understand how fucked their worldview is.