The Confederate battle flag

[TheConfederate States of America]

pifft yankee.....

Southern Hospitality everyone!

I don't hate all northerners,just the anti-sourthern ones.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Not if the Confederacy had its way.

You should read The Rise And Fall Of The Confederate Government by Jefferson Davis

You should read the part of the Confederate Constitution that prohibits the government from outlawing slavery.

[TheConfederate States of America]

West Virginia is south of the Mason-Dixon Line.

Wait, so some dude from a state that formed because it didn't want to be part of the CSA wrote a song about how being proud of the CSA isn't really racist?

West Virgina joined the union as a slave state.

[Master Shake]

You should read The Rise And Fall Of The Confederate Government by Jefferson Davis

You should read the part of the Confederate Constitution that prohibits the government from outlawing slavery.

Butler/servant class after industrialization...I can only assume...

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

Not if the Confederacy had its way.

Slavery would have ceased to be a viable economic system by the time industrialization hit the south.

There was already industrialization in the South.

At the very worse their might have been a butler or maid class after slaverys demise, but it is tough to say since the CSA didn't win..

At worse, slavery will continue, and, at best, if it does cease, then there will be even great de facto discrimination and racism against blacks.

Reconstruction didn't help either situation...be it by the hands of southern politicians or anyone else that "prevented" it from working...

Can't blame southern racism and legislating and enforcing thoroughly racist laws on dem carpetbaggers.

[TheConfederate States of America]

You should read The Rise And Fall Of The Confederate Government by Jefferson Davis

You should read the part of the Confederate Constitution that prohibits the government from outlawing slavery.

I have.
It also bans the slave trade.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Not if the Confederacy had its way.

Slavery would have ceased to be a viable economic system by the time industrialization hit the south.

At the very worse their might have been a butler or maid class after slaverys demise, but it is tough to say since the CSA didn't win..

How long did Jim Crow last?

And how long would you say that the socioeconomic impact of both has lasted?

Reconstruction didn't help either situation...be it by the hands of southern politicians or anyone else that "prevented" it from working...

Reconstruction lasted TWELVE YEARS. How long did slavery last before it was implemented, and how long did Jim Crow last afterwards? The South CANNOT reasonably say that a policy that lasted less than one generation is responsible for any current issues that they face.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

Wait, so some dude from a state that formed because it didn't want to be part of the CSA wrote a song about how being proud of the CSA isn't really racist?

West Virgina joined the union as a slave state.

Yes, but also on the condition that it abolish slavery, which it agreed to and did before the Thirteenth Amendment went into effect (or was even ratified, if I recall right).

You should read the part of the Confederate Constitution that prohibits the government from outlawing slavery.

I have.
It also bans the slave trade.

Yeah, because it would've run the risk of devaluing the slaves that were already inside the system, potentially destabilizing the slave economy.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

You should read the part of the Confederate Constitution that prohibits the government from outlawing slavery.

Butler/servant class after industrialization...I can only assume...

Assume whatever you want. It was there, they considered it an important part of their culture, and they outlawed outlawing it.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

You should read the part of the Confederate Constitution that prohibits the government from outlawing slavery.

Butler/servant class after industrialization...I can only assume...

Southern cities aren't the backwaters you make them to be, there were already efforts at industrialization in the urban centers of the South.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

You should read the part of the Confederate Constitution that prohibits the government from outlawing slavery.

I have.
It also bans the slave trade.

Which already was banned...since our nation was founded.

[Master Shake]

Slavery would have ceased to be a viable economic system by the time industrialization hit the south.

At the very worse their might have been a butler or maid class after slaverys demise, but it is tough to say since the CSA didn't win..




Reconstruction didn't help either situation...be it by the hands of southern politicians or anyone else that "prevented" it from working...

Reconstruction lasted TWELVE YEARS. How long did slavery last before it was implemented, and how long did Jim Crow last afterwards? The South CANNOT reasonably say that a policy that lasted less than one generation is responsible for any current issues that they face.

My point is if the North wanted to do things right it should have been there for at least 50 years or longer, but alas the US gets bored easy and leaves before the job is done...

[The Tiger Kingdom]

Reconstruction lasted TWELVE YEARS. How long did slavery last before it was implemented, and how long did Jim Crow last afterwards? The South CANNOT reasonably say that a policy that lasted less than one generation is responsible for any current issues that they face.

My point is if the North wanted to do things right it should have been there for at least 50 years or longer, but alas the US gets bored easy and leaves before the job is done...

You do realize it wasn't a matter of the North wanting to "do things right", right?
The end of Reconstruction was basically the product of a backroom deal to hand the Republicans the presidency in 1877. The "US" as a democratic whole had basically nothing to do with it.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

You should read the part of the Confederate Constitution that prohibits the government from outlawing slavery.

I have.
It also bans the slave trade.

Which had already been banned for well over a half century, and would have caused huge issues with the British Navy if they'd tried to start it up again. Oh, no, they'd have to make do with the four million slaves that they already had, and their future offspring.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I have.
It also bans the slave trade.

Which already was banned...since our nation was founded.

Actually since 1808.

[Master Shake]

I have.
It also bans the slave trade.

Which already was banned...since our nation was founded.

America never banned slavery (before 1865)...Thomas Jefferson had slaves....

Washington had slaves...he only freed them out of fear they would rape and kill his wife after he died...

[Nazi Flower Power]

It has lovely weather. I went there for Comicon once.

I could never live in California, though. It's pretty, but it's just not HOME the way New England is.

pifft yankee.....

You say that like it's supposed to be an insult...

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Reconstruction lasted TWELVE YEARS. How long did slavery last before it was implemented, and how long did Jim Crow last afterwards? The South CANNOT reasonably say that a policy that lasted less than one generation is responsible for any current issues that they face.

My point is if the North wanted to do things right it should have been there for at least 50 years or longer, but alas the US gets bored easy and leaves before the job is done...

So we should have continued a military occupation of the South for fifty years in the face of the growing resentment of the populace?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Which already was banned...since our nation was founded.

America never banned slavery (before 1865)...Thomas Jefferson had slaves....

Washington had slaves...he only freed them out of fear they would rape and kill his wife after he died...

The slave TRADE, not slavery. It was illegal to import slaves to the United States.

EDIT: Hey, we're back on topic! How the hell did that happen?

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

Which already was banned...since our nation was founded.

America never banned slavery (before 1865)...Thomas Jefferson had slaves....

Washington had slaves...he only freed them out of fear they would rape and kill his wife after he died...

I have never used a smiley before, I probably will never do so again, but that is just idiotic. The slave trade was banned since 1808 (according to Yumyumsuppertime, as I can't be arsed to look it up myself), not slavery itself.

[Dracoria]

Wait, so some dude from a state that formed because it didn't want to be part of the CSA wrote a song about how being proud of the CSA isn't really racist?

West Virgina joined the union as a slave state.

West Virginia wasn't very slave-heavy at the time. Relatively poor but growing region - during the days of plantation expansion noone in that part of the state could afford slaves, and by the time they could slave-based agriculture was becoming unattractive to those not invested in it. So, that part of the state was low in slaves in plantations but not agriculture as a whole, and they weren't so keen on the rich plantation owners in the south and east ruling over them. Much like the hillbillies up in the Appalachians, they were more worried about the plantation owners exercising control than Washington, which was a bit further away and yes, less pushy. Chances are that, like Delawarians, West Virginians were okay with the idea of losing their few slaves in a few more years if it meant remaining in the stronger Union rather than the likely-to-disintegrate Confederacy.

[Master Shake]

My point is if the North wanted to do things right it should have been there for at least 50 years or longer, but alas the US gets bored easy and leaves before the job is done...

So we should have continued a military occupation of the South for fifty years in the face of the growing resentment of the populace?

West Germany didn't mind and Japan probably hated us, but America did the right thing and stayed till the job was done.

When it comes to Vietnam,Iraq and Afghanistan I believe we left much to early and listened to the general population instead of finishing the job.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

America never banned slavery (before 1865)...Thomas Jefferson had slaves....

Washington had slaves...he only freed them out of fear they would rape and kill his wife after he died...

I have never used a smiley before, I probably will never do so again, but that is just idiotic. The slave trade was banned since 1808 (according to Yumyumsuppertime, as I can't be arsed to look it up myself), not slavery itself.

Here's the source, second paragraph. I Google so you don't have to!

[TheConfederate States of America]

You should read the part of the Confederate Constitution that prohibits the government from outlawing slavery.

Butler/servant class after industrialization...I can only assume...

When the industrial revolution hit the south I think slavery would have slowly died out.
Also I think that there would have been pressure from non slaveholding nations to end it.
The south already had a prominent abolition movement at the time from amung high ranking confederate officials.
But I also believe that there would have been a "butler/servant class after the end of slavery in I think around 1880 1920.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

I have never used a smiley before, I probably will never do so again, but that is just idiotic. The slave trade was banned since 1808 (according to Yumyumsuppertime, as I can't be arsed to look it up myself), not slavery itself.

Here's the source, second paragraph. I Google so you don't have to!

Thanks.