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What does the Confederate battle flag mean to you?

Poll ended at Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:59 am

Racisism
375
22%
Southern Heritage
289
17%
Southern Pride
298
17%
Remembrance
163
9%
HERITAGE NOT HATE
168
10%
Slavery
342
20%
Saint Andrew's cross
91
5%
 
Total votes : 1726

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Nationes Pii Redivivi
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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:40 am

Master Shake wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Wave a Swastika around, and try getting the people to think you are simply expressing "Pride in German History and Heritage".


The South didn't practice Genocide like the Nazi's did...


They practiced race-based slavery instead.

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Postby Norstal » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:41 am

Master Shake wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Wave a Swastika around, and try getting the people to think you are simply expressing "Pride in German History and Heritage".


The South didn't practice Genocide like the Nazi's did...

Sure. But the things they did, a lot of people know about it.
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Master Shake
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Postby Master Shake » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:41 am

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Master Shake wrote:
Not everyone likes anime and it is about the costumes more then the subject matter of said con...

kind of like how when you get older you realize the magic of Halloween is dressing up and not so much the candy...

you can buy candy any day, just like anime can be watched any time, but getting an excuse to dress up like your favorite character/person is always rare...


Never celebrated Halloween, never understood why one needed special occassion to dress however you like.


Seriously?

Never?

Huh, I actually feel kind of bad for you....

As for a reason to not dress like an anime character everyday..well main reason is the hair, alone, takes like an hour or two to get right.
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Postby Dracoria » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:41 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Comic Con is bigger and more diverse...kind of like Los Angeles.

And getting off topic? Have you seen the past several pages? But you're right, we should move on.

The thread isn't about the civil war between the North and South of California?


Southuhn Califohnia will rise again! several times in rapid succession, next earthquake.
Also, chocobos.

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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:42 am

Dracoria wrote:
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Are there people in Delaware? :shock:

I thought it was just corporations...


Don't you follow Supreme Court rulings? Corporations are people now!


I think they just doubled the population of Delaware. You should nag them to give you more Representatives for all those extra "people" you have now.
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Master Shake
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Postby Master Shake » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:43 am

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Master Shake wrote:
The South didn't practice Genocide like the Nazi's did...


They practiced race-based slavery instead.


I never defended slavery...just the culture of the south...

A slave has not been held in bondage in the South in over a 100 years...
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Yumyumsuppertime
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:43 am

Master Shake wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Wave a Swastika around, and try getting the people to think you are simply expressing "Pride in German History and Heritage".


The South didn't practice Genocide like the Nazi's did...


Saying "They're not as bad as the Nazis were" (which is an arguable point, but I won't go there) isn't really a strong argument in their favor.

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Dracoria
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Postby Dracoria » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:44 am

Nazi Flower Power wrote:
Dracoria wrote:
Don't you follow Supreme Court rulings? Corporations are people now!


I think they just doubled the population of Delaware. You should nag them to give you more Representatives for all those extra "people" you have now.


We'll still wind up with one, because of all the retirees dying to keep numbers level.
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Nationes Pii Redivivi
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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:45 am

Master Shake wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
They practiced race-based slavery instead.


I never defended slavery...just the culture of the south...


Based upon slavery.

A slave has not been held in bondage in the South in over a 100 years...


Because the North invaded the country which that flag represents and put a stop to that, thankfully.

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TheConfederate States of America
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Postby TheConfederate States of America » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:45 am

Master Shake wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
They practiced race-based slavery instead.


I never defended slavery...just the culture of the south...

A slave has not been held in bondage in the South in over a 100 years...


150

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:45 am

Dracoria wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:The thread isn't about the civil war between the North and South of California?


Southuhn Califohnia will rise again! several times in rapid succession, next earthquake.


Yeeee--HAAAOHMYGODWE'REALLGOINGTODIE!
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Master Shake
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Postby Master Shake » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:46 am

TheConfederate States of America wrote:
Master Shake wrote:
I never defended slavery...just the culture of the south...

A slave has not been held in bondage in the South in over a 100 years...


150


Thank you!
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Postby Dracoria » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:46 am

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Master Shake wrote:
I never defended slavery...just the culture of the south...


Based upon slavery.

A slave has not been held in bondage in the South in over a 100 years...


Because the North invaded the country which that flag represents and put a stop to that, thankfully.


To be fair, there is Southern culture aside from that steeped in the Confederacy and the days of slavery. The problem is that some people still want to represent that culture with a Confederate flag.
Also, chocobos.

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Nationes Pii Redivivi
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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:46 am

TheConfederate States of America wrote:
Master Shake wrote:
I never defended slavery...just the culture of the south...

A slave has not been held in bondage in the South in over a 100 years...


150


Not if the Confederacy had its way.

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Yumyumsuppertime
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:46 am

Master Shake wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
They practiced race-based slavery instead.


I never defended slavery...just the culture of the south...

A slave has not been held in bondage in the South in over a 100 years...


How long did Jim Crow last?

And how long would you say that the socioeconomic impact of both has lasted?

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TheConfederate States of America
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Postby TheConfederate States of America » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:47 am

Nazi Flower Power wrote:
Master Shake wrote:
My apologies...

I didn't mean to be rude, but I really like San Diego...


It has lovely weather. I went there for Comicon once.

I could never live in California, though. It's pretty, but it's just not HOME the way New England is.


pifft yankee.....

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Nationes Pii Redivivi
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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:47 am

Dracoria wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Based upon slavery.



Because the North invaded the country which that flag represents and put a stop to that, thankfully.


To be fair, there is Southern culture aside from that steeped in the Confederacy and the days of slavery. The problem is that some people still want to represent that culture with a Confederate flag.


There is a Southern Culture that isn't slave-based, just that the flag itself represent the elements of that culture based upon slavery and exploiting and oppressing an entire race.

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Postby Norstal » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:48 am

TheConfederate States of America wrote:
Nazi Flower Power wrote:
It has lovely weather. I went there for Comicon once.

I could never live in California, though. It's pretty, but it's just not HOME the way New England is.


pifft yankee.....

Southern Hospitality everyone!
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Master Shake
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Postby Master Shake » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:48 am

Dracoria wrote:
To be fair, there is Southern culture aside from that steeped in the Confederacy and the days of slavery. The problem is that some people still want to represent that culture with a Confederate flag.


And then there are the people who assume everyone in the south is racist,,,

not saying any of you guys, but ALMF comes to mind...
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Postby Dracoria » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:49 am

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Dracoria wrote:
To be fair, there is Southern culture aside from that steeped in the Confederacy and the days of slavery. The problem is that some people still want to represent that culture with a Confederate flag.


There is a Southern Culture that isn't slave-based, just that the flag itself represent the elements of that culture based upon slavery and exploiting and oppressing an entire race.


Yep. Therein lies the problem. Modern Southern culture needs to use some other symbol. Hell, almost any other symbol that is divorced from its darkest days.
Also, chocobos.

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TheConfederate States of America
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Postby TheConfederate States of America » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:49 am

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
TheConfederate States of America wrote:
150


Not if the Confederacy had its way.


You should read The Rise And Fall Of The Confederate Government by Jefferson Davis

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Postby Dracoria » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:50 am

TheConfederate States of America wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Not if the Confederacy had its way.


You should read The Rise And Fall Of The Confederate Government by Jefferson Davis


Yep. Davis would have no reason to be biased either way. Yessiree.
Also, chocobos.

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Nationes Pii Redivivi
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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:51 am

TheConfederate States of America wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Not if the Confederacy had its way.


You should read The Rise And Fall Of The Confederate Government by Jefferson Davis


I should read a book by the President of the Confederacy trying to justify his own ass in light of the fact that he lost, and that people are going to rightly remember him as the president of a racist, slave-based nation which lost to the North. Completely unbiased and honest.
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Master Shake
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Postby Master Shake » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:52 am

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
TheConfederate States of America wrote:
150


Not if the Confederacy had its way.


Slavery would have ceased to be a viable economic system by the time industrialization hit the south.

At the very worse their might have been a butler or maid class after slaverys demise, but it is tough to say since the CSA didn't win..


Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Master Shake wrote:
I never defended slavery...just the culture of the south...

A slave has not been held in bondage in the South in over a 100 years...


How long did Jim Crow last?

And how long would you say that the socioeconomic impact of both has lasted?


Reconstruction didn't help either situation...be it by the hands of southern politicians or anyone else that "prevented" it from working...
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Postby Dakini » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:52 am

Nazi Flower Power wrote:
Personal Freedom wrote:The best thing is that Brad Paisley is from north of the Mason-Dixon line.

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West Virginia is south of the Mason-Dixon Line.

Wait, so some dude from a state that formed because it didn't want to be part of the CSA wrote a song about how being proud of the CSA isn't really racist?

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