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Postby Dragonia Re Xzua » Sun Jul 06, 2014 6:20 pm

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what do u think


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Postby Vetalia » Sun Jul 06, 2014 6:36 pm

Othelos wrote:

what do u think


Let's not forget the billions of people without access to clean water...
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Postby Gyrenaica » Sun Jul 06, 2014 6:38 pm

It isn't, but it most definitely can be.

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Postby Othelos » Sun Jul 06, 2014 7:01 pm

Dragonia Re Xzua wrote:
Othelos wrote:

what do u think


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Vetalia wrote:
Othelos wrote:

what do u think


Let's not forget the billions of people without access to clean water...


Slightly different than being able to provide clean water, but then cutting it off because the people are too poor.
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Postby Vetalia » Sun Jul 06, 2014 7:04 pm

Othelos wrote:Slightly different than being able to provide clean water, but then cutting it off because the people are too poor.


I agree, but it's also true that water infrastructure costs money to build and maintain normally paid for by usage fees.
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Postby Othelos » Sun Jul 06, 2014 7:09 pm

Vetalia wrote:
Othelos wrote:Slightly different than being able to provide clean water, but then cutting it off because the people are too poor.


I agree, but it's also true that water infrastructure costs money to build and maintain normally paid for by usage fees.

RIght. but instead of cutting off water to people, they should have applied for government aid or something.
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Postby Sxvoryia » Sun Jul 06, 2014 7:13 pm

America is better than many but Canada, Switzerland, and Japan are much better

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Postby Gyrenaica » Sun Jul 06, 2014 8:33 pm

Sxvoryia wrote:America is better than many but Canada, Switzerland, and Japan are much better

Drop Japan. Add Finland, Norway, Denmark, Iceland, New Zealand, and some other good countries.

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Postby Arkiasis » Sun Jul 06, 2014 9:47 pm

A country that has no maternity leave, no vacation days, and doesn't provide health care to all can not be called the "best country on earth". When you're the only industrialized country to not provide those 3 things, there's something wrong with you.
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Postby Smoya » Sun Jul 06, 2014 10:13 pm

Arkiasis wrote:A country that has no maternity leave, no vacation days, and doesn't provide health care to all can not be called the "best country on earth". When you're the only industrialized country to not provide those 3 things, there's something wrong with you.

No, your vision of a first world country is "you must be socialist to be industrialized". I am afraid you are mistaken.
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Postby Arkiasis » Sun Jul 06, 2014 10:26 pm

Smoya wrote:
Arkiasis wrote:A country that has no maternity leave, no vacation days, and doesn't provide health care to all can not be called the "best country on earth". When you're the only industrialized country to not provide those 3 things, there's something wrong with you.

No, your vision of a first world country is "you must be socialist to be industrialized". I am afraid you are mistaken.


Every single developed nation on earth has universal healthcare, maternity leave and paid vacation time except for one. I wonder what that one is? When you fail to provide even the most basic of services you don't deserve to be called the "best country on earth". And no, that's not Socialism. You keep saying Socialism, yet you don't even know what it means. If Socialism = making sure people are treated with dignity and don't die. Then yeah, Socialism sounds awesome.
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Postby Smoya » Sun Jul 06, 2014 10:31 pm

Arkiasis wrote:
Smoya wrote:No, your vision of a first world country is "you must be socialist to be industrialized". I am afraid you are mistaken.


Every single developed nation on earth has universal healthcare, maternity leave and paid vacation time except for one. I wonder what that one is? When you fail to provide even the most basic of services you don't deserve to be called the "best country on earth". And no, that's not Socialism. You keep saying Socialism, yet you don't even know what it means. If Socialism = making sure people are treated with dignity and don't die. Then yeah, Socialism sounds awesome.

Universal healthcare is yes, an issue that should be confronted by the US government. But full maternity leave and paid vacation time trashes your economy, and isn't fair for the companies to pay your workers for doing utterly nothing. Getting paid on vacation time is stupid because, well, does getting paid for going to the beach everyday sound fair? I think you should reform your opinion about "basic human needs" because getting paid for having a baby and going to the beach isn't "a basic human need".
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Postby Arkiasis » Sun Jul 06, 2014 10:49 pm

Smoya wrote:But full maternity leave and paid vacation time trashes your economy


Apparently Canada, all of Europe, Australia and every single other industrialized country has a trashed economy. America must be the only country with a good economy. Man, the economy here in Canada is so awful because we have maternity leave. Oh wait... it isn't.

Smoya wrote:and isn't fair for the companies to pay your workers for doing utterly nothing.


The company does not pay for maternity leave. The government pays for the maternity leave through contributions from the mother to her social security.

Smoya wrote:Getting paid on vacation time is stupid because, well, does getting paid for going to the beach everyday sound fair?


Going to the beach everyday? Apparently 3-4 weeks of paid vacation each year, is "going to the beach everyday". Also ever thought that maybe, when somebody takes a week or so off for vacation that they come back rested and more productive and happy?

Smoya wrote:I think you should reform your opinion about "basic human needs" because getting paid for having a baby and going to the beach isn't "a basic human need".


And you need to understand how the world works. Every single developed country except for the US provides the aforementioned and their economy isn't trashed, employees don't go the beach everyday. Maternity leave and paid vacation will not destroy your economy, and suggesting that it will shows that you clearly do not understand how it works and instead of trying to understand how it works you say "Socialism is evil!"
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Postby Arumdaum » Sun Jul 06, 2014 10:55 pm

I don't think there is a best country in the world.

I have my favorites, but in them is not the United States.
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Postby Great Franconia and Verana » Sun Jul 06, 2014 11:10 pm

America is certainly not a bad country. Certainly not the best either however. I would say Canada, the Scandinavian countries, New Zealand, etc. All are better in varying scales than America.

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Postby Arumdaum » Sun Jul 06, 2014 11:11 pm

Othelos wrote:

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Postby Costa Fierro » Sun Jul 06, 2014 11:15 pm

Smoya wrote:But full maternity leave and paid vacation time trashes your economy, and isn't fair for the companies to pay your workers for doing utterly nothing. Getting paid on vacation time is stupid because, well, does getting paid for going to the beach everyday sound fair? I think you should reform your opinion about "basic human needs" because getting paid for having a baby and going to the beach isn't "a basic human need".


So list the number of developed countries that are basket cases that have these sorts of laws.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Mon Jul 07, 2014 1:25 am

Smoya wrote:
Arkiasis wrote:
Every single developed nation on earth has universal healthcare, maternity leave and paid vacation time except for one. I wonder what that one is? When you fail to provide even the most basic of services you don't deserve to be called the "best country on earth". And no, that's not Socialism. You keep saying Socialism, yet you don't even know what it means. If Socialism = making sure people are treated with dignity and don't die. Then yeah, Socialism sounds awesome.

Universal healthcare is yes, an issue that should be confronted by the US government. But full maternity leave and paid vacation time trashes your economy, and isn't fair for the companies to pay your workers for doing utterly nothing. Getting paid on vacation time is stupid because, well, does getting paid for going to the beach everyday sound fair? I think you should reform your opinion about "basic human needs" because getting paid for having a baby and going to the beach isn't "a basic human need".

Man Smoya, I had a lot of respect for you before you posted this piece of shit.

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Postby Indira » Mon Jul 07, 2014 3:57 am

No it isn't and never has been the 'Best' country in the world. Firstly because the idea of the 'Best' country in the world is at best subjective and at worse ignorant and secondly because it isn't my country :twisted:

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Postby Heroes of the Sea » Mon Jul 07, 2014 4:10 am

Do you think the best country is also the 'happiest' country in the world?

If the contexts are like.. economy growth, infrastucture, and such.. i think United States has the potential to be the best country.
But if we look further to the 'happiness' level of its people.. i'm not sure?

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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Jul 07, 2014 4:13 am

I think so, but then again I am rather biased.
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Postby Quilavaland » Mon Jul 07, 2014 4:19 am

No, ever since World War 2 ended, America has stirred up conflicts, held back the Western world with its conservative policies and caused normal people to hate each other, not to mention its economy is a disaster.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Jul 07, 2014 4:23 am

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America ranks 13th in starting a business, according to the Doing Business rankings compiled by The World Bank.

The U.S. ranks 47th in press freedom, according to Reporters Without Borders. So much for freedom of the press.

The U.S. ranks 20th in international trade, according to the Doing Business rankings compiled by The World Bank.

The U.S., which ranks 15th in dealing with debt insolvency according to the Doing Business rankings.

The U.S. is ranked 10th in economic freedom, according to The Heritage Foundation and The Wall Street Journal.

The U.S. is 25th among 43 developing countries for the best place to be a mother, according to Save The Children.

The U.S. is only the 11th happiest country in the world, according Columbia University's Earth Institute.

There are 21 countries better than America in freedom from corruption, according to Heritage.org.

The U.S. was ranked 24th in perceived honesty, according to Transparency.org.

America is ranked 39th in income inequality according to the CIA World Factbook.

Need a Hepatitis B vaccination? The U.S. is ranked 89th in percentage of children who have been vaccinated according to the World Health Organization.

The U.S. is only 47th in infant survival? That's true, according to the CIA World Factbook.

Want to live a long life? Don't live in the U.S., which is 50th in life expectancy according to the CIA World Factbook.

How well is the economy growing? The U.S. GDP growth rate is ranked 169th out of 216 countries, according to the CIA World Factbook.

The GDP per capita is only 12th in the world, behind Qatar and Liechtenstein, says the CIA World Factbook.

The unemployment percentage is worse than 102 of the 200 countries listed by the CIA World Factbook.

The U.S. is an embarrassing 142nd out of 150 countries in infrastructure investment, according to the CIA World Factbook.

America's budget deficit is ranked 192nd in debt relative to GDP, according to the CIA World Factbook.

The growth rate of industrial production is ranked 79th, according to the CIA World Factbook.

The U.S. is only 11th in oil exports, according to the CIA World Factbook.

The U.S. is ranked 192nd, dead last, in the net trade of goods and services, according to the CIA World Factbook.

The reserve of foreign exchange and gold is ranked 19th, according to the CIA World Factbook, right behind Indonesia.

The U.S. is ranked the 28th best soccer team by FIFA.

In terms of the percentage of women holding public office, the U.S. ranks 79th out of 147 countries, says the IPU.

7th in literacy

27th in math

22nd in science

49th in life expectancy

178th in infant mortality

Number four in labor force and number four in exports.

Also, you lead the world in only three categories. Number of incarcerated citizens per capita, number of adults who believe angels are real and defense spending

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Someone watched the video. And please refrain from quoting statistics from the Heritage Foundation. No one trusts them for anything anymore.

America is pretty corrupt, that's probably undeniable regardless.
A lot of those statistics are actually pretty worrying.
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Postby Copenhagen Metropolis » Mon Jul 07, 2014 4:40 am

That video was just pathetic. I really hope that is not the reaction you get from Americans when you say that America is not the greatest country in the world.

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Postby Benuty » Mon Jul 07, 2014 4:43 am

A giant quarantine zone cannot call itself the greatest country on earth. Especially when it refuses to admit millions of its citizens are infected with a horrrid & deadly contagion which can ruin lives.
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