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Arkinesia
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Postby Arkinesia » Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:28 pm

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Betul itu. Bila Papua dan penduduknya benar-benar diperhatikan oleh pemerintah dan diperlakukan dengan baik, bisa diharapkan bahwa gerakan separatis di Papua akan meredup dengan sendirinya, tanpa harus selalu ditembaki oleh tentara.

Contohnya dgn pendanaan yang lebih untuk provinsi2 di Papua. Misalnya di pendidikan, kesehatan, transportasi, dan keamanan. 4 bidang ini sepertinya memiliki kualitas yang lebih rendah di Papua di banding provinsi yang lain.

Jika ada layanan kesehatan, pendidikan, dan lain-lain yang lebih baik, mungkin Papua lebih suka tetap di RI.
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Postby Kalosia » Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:42 am

Adab wrote:
Kalosia wrote:...setidaknya kita mesti membuat mereka nyaman di rumah sendiri.


Betul itu. Bila Papua dan penduduknya benar-benar diperhatikan oleh pemerintah dan diperlakukan dengan baik, bisa diharapkan bahwa gerakan separatis di Papua akan meredup dengan sendirinya, tanpa harus selalu ditembaki oleh tentara.

Beberapa hari yang lalu saya kebetulan menemukan situs suatu organisasi yang mendukung kemerdekaan Papua. Berdasarkan info yang mereka tulis disitu, mungkin solusinya adalah pendekatan yang lebih halus (tidak dengan kekerasan)?
Tetapi tentu pemerintah juga harus dengarkan permintaan mereka (yang dimaksudkan adalah apa yang mereka inginkan supaya Papua sebagai wilayah bagian Indonesia menjadi lebih baik supaya OPM bisa tutup dengan sendirinya)
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Postby Heroes of the Sea » Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:37 pm

Kalosia wrote:
Adab wrote:
Betul itu. Bila Papua dan penduduknya benar-benar diperhatikan oleh pemerintah dan diperlakukan dengan baik, bisa diharapkan bahwa gerakan separatis di Papua akan meredup dengan sendirinya, tanpa harus selalu ditembaki oleh tentara.

Beberapa hari yang lalu saya kebetulan menemukan situs suatu organisasi yang mendukung kemerdekaan Papua. Berdasarkan info yang mereka tulis disitu, mungkin solusinya adalah pendekatan yang lebih halus (tidak dengan kekerasan)?
Tetapi tentu pemerintah juga harus dengarkan permintaan mereka (yang dimaksudkan adalah apa yang mereka inginkan supaya Papua sebagai wilayah bagian Indonesia menjadi lebih baik supaya OPM bisa tutup dengan sendirinya)


Really disturbing.. some images there.. honestly, shocked me.

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Postby Altito Asmoro » Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:56 pm

Kalosia wrote:
Adab wrote:
Betul itu. Bila Papua dan penduduknya benar-benar diperhatikan oleh pemerintah dan diperlakukan dengan baik, bisa diharapkan bahwa gerakan separatis di Papua akan meredup dengan sendirinya, tanpa harus selalu ditembaki oleh tentara.

Beberapa hari yang lalu saya kebetulan menemukan situs suatu organisasi yang mendukung kemerdekaan Papua. Berdasarkan info yang mereka tulis disitu, mungkin solusinya adalah pendekatan yang lebih halus (tidak dengan kekerasan)?
Tetapi tentu pemerintah juga harus dengarkan permintaan mereka (yang dimaksudkan adalah apa yang mereka inginkan supaya Papua sebagai wilayah bagian Indonesia menjadi lebih baik supaya OPM bisa tutup dengan sendirinya)


Peace?
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Kalosia
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Postby Kalosia » Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:14 am

Altito Asmoro wrote:
Kalosia wrote:Beberapa hari yang lalu saya kebetulan menemukan situs suatu organisasi yang mendukung kemerdekaan Papua. Berdasarkan info yang mereka tulis disitu, mungkin solusinya adalah pendekatan yang lebih halus (tidak dengan kekerasan)?
Tetapi tentu pemerintah juga harus dengarkan permintaan mereka (yang dimaksudkan adalah apa yang mereka inginkan supaya Papua sebagai wilayah bagian Indonesia menjadi lebih baik supaya OPM bisa tutup dengan sendirinya)


Peace?

Not just peace, but the government has to make it better for the people who live in Papua too.
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Postby Titaniumland » Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:18 am

Hello guys, I'm from Indonesia too! If you wanna join my music awards, just post reply :) viewtopic.php?f=4&t=304566

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Postby Zataristan » Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:20 am

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Postby Adab » Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:20 am

Kalosia wrote:
Altito Asmoro wrote:
Peace?

Not just peace, but the government has to make it better for the people who live in Papua too.


Exactly. The living conditions of many Papuans in more isolated regions, far from the coast, are pitiful. The roads there are mostly made of mud, so access can be difficult at times, especially if it rains.
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Postby Cyyro » Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:21 am

I know a pretty girl from Indonesia. That's about it.
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Postby Adab » Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:22 am

Cyyro wrote:I know a pretty girl from Indonesia. That's about it.


You go to the same university as her? Or maybe you just happened to meet her at a party?
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Postby Cyyro » Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:24 am

Adab wrote:
Cyyro wrote:I know a pretty girl from Indonesia. That's about it.


You go to the same university as her? Or maybe you just happened to meet her at a party?


It's quite odd actually, I was derping around on Omegle, stumbled upon her, had a meaningful conversation. got her skype, then that's that. So I don't really know a "lot" about her, but I do know her. I am pretty sure she's from Bali. 13 hour time difference.
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Postby Oceasia » Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:27 am

Zataristan wrote:AKHIR NYA ADA

Dari sebelum pilpres bro :p
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Postby Zataristan » Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:28 am

Altito Asmoro wrote:
Kalosia wrote:If you're only gonna be in Jakarta, I suppose it is. I live here and I don't recall ever being threatened by danger.


I've taken down the poll. What do you want to discuss now? I'm suggesting perhaps the future of Indonesia under Jokowi. Also we should be talking in Indonesian more.

Katanya klo Jokowi menang, daerah2 yang ada kelompok separatis bakal pisah dari Indonesia? Kalo Prabowo menang, jelas gak bakal, tapi mentang2 Jokowi menang bukan berarti dong?


Kita harus khawatir dengan Aceh dan OPM.

We still should worry with Aceh and OPM. Granted, Aceh might be in peaceful now, but what about its people when Jokowi ascended to the presidency by October?

Kalo Aceh mah sepertinya gak,rakyat Aceh tuh kebanyakan ngedukung Cawapres No.2
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Postby Altito Asmoro » Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:31 am

Cyyro wrote:
Adab wrote:
You go to the same university as her? Or maybe you just happened to meet her at a party?


It's quite odd actually, I was derping around on Omegle, stumbled upon her, had a meaningful conversation. got her skype, then that's that. So I don't really know a "lot" about her, but I do know her. I am pretty sure she's from Bali. 13 hour time difference.


So what is your relationship status with her now?
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Postby Zataristan » Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:38 am

Arkinesia wrote:
Kuzestan wrote:Contohnya dgn pendanaan yang lebih untuk provinsi2 di Papua. Misalnya di pendidikan, kesehatan, transportasi, dan keamanan. 4 bidang ini sepertinya memiliki kualitas yang lebih rendah di Papua di banding provinsi yang lain.

Jika ada layanan kesehatan, pendidikan, dan lain-lain yang lebih baik, mungkin Papua lebih suka tetap di RI.

Betul,
Sekarang Papua Barat seperti 'ditingalkan',mungkin kalo nomor 2 jadi,bisa di benarkan hal-hal seperti ini.
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Postby Kuzestan » Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:48 am

We stand on the right side :lol:
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Postby Kalosia » Tue Jul 15, 2014 1:22 pm

Zataristan wrote:
Altito Asmoro wrote:
Kita harus khawatir dengan Aceh dan OPM.

We still should worry with Aceh and OPM. Granted, Aceh might be in peaceful now, but what about its people when Jokowi ascended to the presidency by October?

Kalo Aceh mah sepertinya gak,rakyat Aceh tuh kebanyakan ngedukung Cawapres No.2

Menurut gue, kalo Prabowo jadi presiden, gerakan separatis bakal ditindak dengan lebih keras (dan gue yakin mereka gak mau), mungkin karena itu mereka dukung pasangan nomer 2.
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Postby Kalosia » Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:43 pm

Jadi... kapan pengumuman hasil pemilu yang resmi dari KPU?
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Postby Kuzestan » Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:49 pm

Tanggal 22, kemungkinan rusuh sih ada, tapi kayaknya terlalu dibesar2kan
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Postby Oceasia » Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:16 am

Kuzestan wrote:Tanggal 22, kemungkinan rusuh sih ada, tapi kayaknya terlalu dibesar2kan

Emang iya sih, tapi siapapun pemenangnya, hasilnya bakal ketat banget, jadi saya sih antisipasi ada kerusuhan. 8)
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Postby Kalosia » Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:04 pm

Oceasia wrote:
Kuzestan wrote:Tanggal 22, kemungkinan rusuh sih ada, tapi kayaknya terlalu dibesar2kan

Emang iya sih, tapi siapapun pemenangnya, hasilnya bakal ketat banget, jadi saya sih antisipasi ada kerusuhan. 8)

Iya sih, terutama karena ini cuma 2 calon - keduanya pasti punya pendukung banyak, mungkin banyak juga yang gak bisa menerima hasil pemilu nanti.
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Postby Kuzestan » Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:16 pm

Kalosia wrote:
Oceasia wrote:Emang iya sih, tapi siapapun pemenangnya, hasilnya bakal ketat banget, jadi saya sih antisipasi ada kerusuhan. 8)

Iya sih, terutama karena ini cuma 2 calon - keduanya pasti punya pendukung banyak, mungkin banyak juga yang gak bisa menerima hasil pemilu nanti.

Ini mungkin hasil pemilu yang paling bikin deg2an selama sejarah Indonesia :lol:
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Postby Titaniumland » Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:02 am

Moga moga tanggal 22, diliburkan karena takut rusuh pengumuman pemilu...... *jangan dibaca; permohonan siswa gabut*

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Postby Kuzestan » Sun Jul 20, 2014 7:53 am

Titaniumland wrote:Moga moga tanggal 22, diliburkan karena takut rusuh pengumuman pemilu...... *jangan dibaca; permohonan siswa gabut*

Emang libur lebaran kan? :eyebrow:
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Postby Kalosia » Sun Jul 20, 2014 8:03 am

Kuzestan wrote:
Titaniumland wrote:Moga moga tanggal 22, diliburkan karena takut rusuh pengumuman pemilu...... *jangan dibaca; permohonan siswa gabut*

Emang libur lebaran kan? :eyebrow:

Kalo sekolah gue (swasta) baru minggu depannya lagi libur, gaktau Titaniumland gimana :meh:
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