Diskusi Berbahasa Indonesia | Indonesian Thread

[Kalosia]

Simply because. But of course it'll be more than just chatting, we'll discuss.
People outside Indonesia/non-Indonesians are welcome, if you wanna post just make sure you can keep up
Also due to the different levels of formality in Indonesian, I think it's better to stick with the most casual/colloquial level - 'gue/lo'.

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Also, we don't have an Indonesian Presidential Elections Discussion Thread yet, so we'll start with that.

Jadi, siapa yang akan kalian dukung di Pilpres - Prabowo atau Jokowi?
Gue sendiri kurang yakin, tetapi kemungkinan besar kalo disuruh milih bakal dukung yang kedua - dia udah punya bukti bisa menjadi pemimpin yang baik.

[Elke and Elba]

My domestic helper is neutral on this.

Though she says her son prefers Prabowo.

I'm not sure though, what's Prabowo and Jokowi's stance? Jokowi is more liberal, ja?

[Arkinesia]

Jokowi is more liberal, ja?

Yes, he is much more liberal than most of his counterparts. I am still a bit concerned that he's not as in tune with the ideas of religious freedom as I would like, and I wish he would have spent more time in his governorship before running.

Even so, he's a damn sight better than his competition at any rate, so to the Widodo campaign I say semoga sukses dan semoga berhasil!

[Kalosia]

This is supposed to be an Indonesian-language thread... hopefully the next batch of posts will be in Indonesian. I added a poll that closes on election day.

Gak terasa ternyata tinggal 5 hari...

My domestic helper is neutral on this.

Though she says her son prefers Prabowo.

I'm not sure though, what's Prabowo and Jokowi's stance? Jokowi is more liberal, ja?

Also I think both of them are conservative, but I fear Prabowo is would come close to a dictator-style leadership, while Jokowi actually visits villagers who get to vent about their problems to him.

[New Hayesalia]

Selamat malam, apa kabar?

Saya tidak suka bahasa Indonesia, maaf

[Arkinesia]

This is supposed to be an Indonesian-language thread... hopefully the next batch of posts will be in Indonesian. I added a poll that closes on election day.

Gak terasa ternyata tinggal 5 hari...

My domestic helper is neutral on this.

Though she says her son prefers Prabowo.

I'm not sure though, what's Prabowo and Jokowi's stance? Jokowi is more liberal, ja?

Also I think both of them are conservative, but I fear Prabowo is would come close to a dictator-style leadership, while Jokowi actually visits villagers who get to vent about their problems to him.

Belum ada banyak diskusi eksklusif bertopik negara yang…apa ya, unik?

Indonesia memangnya negara yang unik dan eksotis, jadi akan berada sedikit diskusi dalam Bahasa Inggris dan selainnya.

Tapi, masih bukan masalah! Aku bisa Bahasa Indonesia sedikit!

Enam tahun total di Bandar Lampung dan sekitar enam bulan total di Kota Jambi. Aku sudah pernah ke Borobudur, tentu saja, tapi juga pernah ke Muaro Jambi…sejarah Indonesia, itu sangat penting dan menarik!

Link from wikipedia on the Gunung Padang site.

[New Hayesalia]

And that is all the Indonesian I can remember from a semester of it at uni.

Good drills.

[Arkinesia]

And that is all the Indonesian I can remember from a semester of it at uni.

Good drills.

Heh.

It's a relatively simple language to learn for English speakers. I had even less trouble because I got my father's ability to make a lot of different phonic sounds (after only six months, my father's Indonesian coworkers thought I was Indonesian when answering the phone). It's listed as a critical language by the US State Department so if you want to learn a foreign language with a lot of utility, it's a good choice, many multinationals would love to hire someone who knows Indonesian.

It's worth noting that my interest in joining the Foreign Service was piqued when one of my friends sent me the State Department page with all the critical languages on it and I thought “hey, I know some of those!”

[New Majapahit]

Ane golput sih, gak mihak Jokowi ataupun Prabowo. Tapi kalo Prabowo menang, katanya dulu dia Psikopat (no black campaign) and ane tertarik sama orang kaya gitu.

[Kalosia]

Ane golput sih, gak mihak Jokowi ataupun Prabowo. Tapi kalo Prabowo menang, katanya dulu dia Psikopat (no black campaign) and ane tertarik sama orang kaya gitu.

Katanya dia dulu terkena (ato paling gak jadi kambing hitam) di kasus pelanggaran HAM? Seharusnya gak nge-judge orang dari masa lalunya sih, tapi sekarang aja udah ada beberapa kasus pelanggaran HAM - semestinya jumlah kasusnya berkurang, bukan bertambah.

Hari ini hari terakhir kampanye kan yah?

[Kuzestan]

Should we vote a possibly authoritarian conservative (Prabowo) or a not-really-authoritarian mild conservative (Jokowi)?

Although none of them suits my taste, I think i'll pick Jokowi later on 9th of July

[Oceasia]

Saya sih belom cukup umur, tapi yang udah bisa milih di keluarga saya pilih Prabowo semua.

[Saracenia]

Pakai Bahasa Indonesia di NS rasanya agak aneh.

I'm quite fixed in my opinion that Prabowo is a left-leaning fascist with a dubious past. Not to mention that he allied himself with many extremist groups that I'm not quite comfortable with, so I lay more hope with Jokowi for improvement of extremely poor religious freedom in Indonesia.

In regard to economy they appear to be largely one the same as I see in debates, the whole 'ekonomi kerakyatan' crap.

Ane golput sih, gak mihak Jokowi ataupun Prabowo. Tapi kalo Prabowo menang, katanya dulu dia Psikopat (no black campaign) and ane tertarik sama orang kaya gitu.

'Tertarik'?

...maksudnya dukungan atau apa nih? Mohon klarifikasi.

[Kuzestan]

I'm quite fixed in my opinion that Prabowo is a left-leaning fascist with a dubious past. Not to mention that he allied himself with many extremist groups that I'm not quite comfortable with, so I lay more hope with Jokowi for improvement of extremely poor religious freedom in Indonesia.

^This.

Indonesia really needs to be more tolerant with any religious and political beliefs alike.

[Kalosia]

I'm quite fixed in my opinion that Prabowo is a left-leaning fascist with a dubious past. Not to mention that he allied himself with many extremist groups that I'm not quite comfortable with, so I lay more hope with Jokowi for improvement of extremely poor religious freedom in Indonesia.

Oh? Tapi FPI juga dukung dia?

[Saracenia]

I'm quite fixed in my opinion that Prabowo is a left-leaning fascist with a dubious past. Not to mention that he allied himself with many extremist groups that I'm not quite comfortable with, so I lay more hope with Jokowi for improvement of extremely poor religious freedom in Indonesia.

Oh? Tapi FPI juga dukung dia?

Ayup, Habib Rizieq mendukung Prabowo kalau tidak salah.

[Gezi Park]

Is Prabowo a liberal and secular figure? I kinda grew a sympathy towards him after seeing that he took Ataturk as a role model.

[Kalosia]

Is Prabowo a liberal and secular figure? I kinda grew a sympathy towards him after seeing that he took Ataturk as a role model.

He's... very nationalistic actually, some people are worried we'll have an authoritarian regime if he wins. Ataturk was also very nationalistic, but I don't think he was a dictator, was he?

[Gezi Park]

Is Prabowo a liberal and secular figure? I kinda grew a sympathy towards him after seeing that he took Ataturk as a role model.

He's... very nationalistic actually, some people are worried we'll have an authoritarian regime if he wins. Ataturk was also very nationalistic, but I don't think he was a dictator, was he?

Nationalistic in a whicy way? religious or rather secular?

[Kuzestan]

He's... very nationalistic actually, some people are worried we'll have an authoritarian regime if he wins. Ataturk was also very nationalistic, but I don't think he was a dictator, was he?

Nationalistic in a whicy way? religious or rather secular?

Religious, no doubt. That's why some rather militant religious organizations here threw in their support for him.

[Gezi Park]

Nationalistic in a whicy way? religious or rather secular?

Religious, no doubt. That's why some rather militant religious organizations here threw in their support for him.

What about Jokowi?

[Kalosia]

Religious, no doubt. That's why some rather militant religious organizations here threw in their support for him.

What about Jokowi?

Jokowi is mostly known for visiting villages to hear directly from the people their complaints and what they want.

Both sides are religious and conservative imo. But (as someone who hasn't put too much effort in following the elections) I feel that Jokowi wants to build Indonesia directly from the wishes of the people, while Prabowo wants to build Indonesia as a bold independent country who don't need no ally.

[Heroes of the Sea]

The first time i heard Prabowo's campaign, i was convinced to choose him. He is passionate and quite bold. But as time goes by, i learned that politicians behind him are mostly troublesome. The facts that Bakrie now supporting him makes me scared.

So yesterday, i voted for Jokowi.
I'm not in Indonesia at the moment but i tried my best to understand the whole situation in Indonesia by reading online newspaper, do more research. Honestly, i like Prabowo's personality. I like a leader that bold, charismatic, and discipline. Discipline is what i seek from a leader because often times Indonesians need to be disciplined in a tough way. But those supporters behind him.. makes me uncomfortable..
Jokowi doesn't really have that strong charismatic personality but he is good at solving country's problem. He can see the problem and work on that. It's just i think he lacks a bold personality. My grandfather used to say : "Orang indonesia itu ndablek, kalau tidak dipecut tidak jalan".

Nonetheless i believe that indonesia is getting better (despite some extremist groups are still exists).

[Aethyopea]

Indonesia is confusing to me. On one hand they have a history of tolerance with hundreds of cultures and religions living side-by-side. But on the other hand it has a history of xenophobia and racial violence.
So how tolerant are the Indonesians? I live in Belgium (Indonesia hardly ever comes up in the news over here) so I don't know an awful lot about the country, but I have read about it, and I am interested in other cultures.

[Kalosia]

Indonesia is confusing to me. On one hand they have a history of tolerance with hundreds of cultures and religions living side-by-side. But on the other hand it has a history of xenophobia and racial violence.
So how tolerant are the Indonesians? I live in Belgium (Indonesia hardly ever comes up in the news over here) so I don't know an awful lot about the country, but I have read about it, and I am interested in other cultures.

We're proud of our diversity because we had to unite to fight the colonists.

Nowadays groups such as FPI (who managed to cancel a Lady Gaga concert and is considered by many the Indonesian equivalent to the Westboro Baptist Church) want Indonesia to be a state running on Sharia law - I don't think I would mind if we were an entirely Muslim population, but we have a sizeable population of non-Muslims - Christians (both Protestant and Catholic), Buddhists, a Hindu-majority island (Bali), and other small religious groups. The government only recognizes 5 religions (6 if we differ between Protestants and Catholics) (also apparently it's possible to have your religion listed as 'Other'), and unfortunately there are Muslims who aren't tolerant towards Christians - there are even Muslims who don't tolerate Muslims of different sects (the Shiite minority in some areas face persecution yet the authorities fail to do anything about it). I haven't even mentioned xenophobia yet.

Indonesia is a united nation of many cultures and diverse groups. But do they tolerate each other's existence? Not entirely.