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Nationes Pii Redivivi
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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:34 am

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Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
And before that, since, at the very least, the Yuan Dynasty, they were part of China. Again, it doesn't matter if 'they use to be' or 'they were', because Brittany used to be independent, and California used to belong to Mexico.



Tibet was an independent country during the 50's, yes, they were part of the Qing Empire before that. Manchuria was not an independent nation in the 40's, if we are talking about Manshū-koku, that was part of the Japanese Empire.

Independence movement also doesn't suddenly make a region legitimately a country. An European example would be the Basque independence movement or the Corsican independence movement.



They were once a colony of the Japanese, before they return to China.


A country can exist within a country, you know. The United Kingdom is a country comprised of 3-4 countries.


Only those countries are legally recognised as countries- many of your 'countries' barely even have 'semi-autonomy'.

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Postby Oaledonia » Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:37 am

Norstal wrote:

Let me restate that. They would have to engage in combat and not just support roles. You understand the difference between the two roles, right?

Don't get edgy because you didn't make yourself clear.
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Postby Russian Socialist Soviet States » Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:37 am

We don't want the current emperor carrying on Hirohito's legacy.
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Postby The Remnants of Kobol » Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:38 am

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And what makes you think the US would get involved if China decided to go fight with Vietnam, Malaysia, or any other Southern Asian nation? You think the US would risk economic self destruction to go fight a proxy war for nations that aren't vital to its economy against a nation that is?

As for North Korea, they do have nukes. There are methods of deliver besides intercontinental ballistic missiles...


Would they want to risk the backlash from those actions?


What backlash? A harshly worded letter from the UN, a collective frown from the international community, and the US being forced to publicly condemn their actions while handshaking a new trade deal in the back room?

China is nuclear nation. They have nothing to fear militarily because no other nuclear nation would dare to attack them for fear of escalation. It's the only reason that Russia didn't turn into a glass reflecting pool during the Cold War.
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Postby Threlizdun » Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:38 am

Unconstitutional and extremely unwise
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Postby Oaledonia » Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:38 am

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And what makes you think the US would get involved if China decided to go fight with Vietnam, Malaysia, or any other Southern Asian nation? You think the US would risk economic self destruction to go fight a proxy war for nations that aren't vital to its economy against a nation that is?

As for North Korea, they do have nukes. There are methods of deliver besides intercontinental ballistic missiles...


The DPRK's missile systems are more than sufficient to strike Japan, which is probably worrying to them.

Post losses.
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Postby Cuprum » Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:39 am

I don't think the japanese want a war after the nukes of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:39 am

The Remnants of Kobol wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Would they want to risk the backlash from those actions?


What backlash? A harshly worded letter from the UN, a collective frown from the international community, and the US being forced to publicly condemn their actions while handshaking a new trade deal in the back room?

China is nuclear nation. They have nothing to fear militarily because no other nuclear nation would dare to attack them for fear of escalation. It's the only reason that Russia didn't turn into a glass reflecting pool during the Cold War.


People all around the world organising a boycott of Chinese product to protest their illegal actions, decisive international action on behalf of those nations.

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Postby Mefpan » Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:39 am

I for one welcome our benevolent animu overlords.

Oh, and anything that subtly ticks off the People's Republic of China or the supposedly Best Korea without causing either of them to explode.
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Postby Oaledonia » Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:39 am

Threlizdun wrote:Unconstitutional and extremely unwise

Japan isn't rebuilding an empire as China wants you to believe, get over it.
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Postby Gigaverse » Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:41 am

Russian Socialist Soviet States wrote:We don't want the current emperor carrying on Hirohito's legacy.

And he won't.
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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:41 am

Oaledonia wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:Unconstitutional and extremely unwise

Japan isn't rebuilding an empire as China wants you to believe, get over it.


Japan will probably not act on all that revanchist spiel they like to play on the street, most people probably won't take it seriously, but it will end up pissing of nearly everyone in East Asia.

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:41 am

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:It's like Imperial Japan back in the early 1900s thru about 1941. Now we just replace the land stealer as China.


And Diaoyu Island is like Manchuria, only without anybody living there, and amongst worthless in itself but for a few, meagre resources. Oh, and the Chinese landed troops and unlawfully occupied it whilst installing a puppet government and torturing the nonexistant inhabitants.

It's bound to be trouble within the next 30 years.
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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:42 am

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Russian Socialist Soviet States wrote:We don't want the current emperor carrying on Hirohito's legacy.

And he won't.


He'll just rename his Era name "Showa the Second".

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Postby Norstal » Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:42 am

Oaledonia wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:Unconstitutional and extremely unwise

Japan isn't rebuilding an empire as China wants you to believe, get over it.

He didn't said Japan is rebuilding an empire. Don't get edgy and make assumptions over other people's posts.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:42 am

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Russian Socialist Soviet States wrote:We don't want the current emperor carrying on Hirohito's legacy.

And he won't.

It's China's Communist Party channeling their Hirohito with expansionism.
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Postby The Remnants of Kobol » Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:42 am

Oaledonia wrote:
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The DPRK's missile systems are more than sufficient to strike Japan, which is probably worrying to them.

Post losses.


Which is why I said there are other ways to deliver warheads. If the DPRK really wanted to nuke someone, they'd probably put their nuke on a ship and sail it into a harbour.
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Postby Mefpan » Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:43 am

Oaledonia wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:Unconstitutional and extremely unwise

Japan isn't rebuilding an empire as China wants you to believe, get over it.

The People's Republic of China needs to make a fuss about this or they run risk of losing enough prestige to lose the Mandate of Heaven modifier that gives them -10 Revolt Risk and assorted bonuses in all their provinces. Hell, the prestige requirements are even tighter considering the Republic of China exists, putting itsy bitsy tiny scratches on its legitimacy as a state.

The Remnants of Kobol wrote:
Oaledonia wrote:Post losses.


Which is why I said there are other ways to deliver warheads. If the DPRK really wanted to nuke someone, they'd probably put their nuke on a ship and sail it into a harbour.

I'd be surprised if North Korea had any seaworthy vessels that stay seaworthy long enough for them to reach the shores of Japan.
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Postby Gigaverse » Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:45 am

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Gigaverse wrote:And he won't.


He'll just rename his Era name "Showa the Second".

Nope. No. Not in several million years.
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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:45 am

Mefpan wrote:
Oaledonia wrote:Japan isn't rebuilding an empire as China wants you to believe, get over it.

The People's Republic of China needs to make a fuss about this or they run risk of losing enough prestige to lose the Mandate of Heaven modifier that gives them -10 Revolt Risk and assorted bonuses in all their provinces. Hell, the prestige requirements are even tighter considering the Republic of China exists, putting itsy bitsy tiny scratches on its legitimacy as a state.


What kind of image of China do you have? Because no one has used the whole Mandate of Heaven thing since 1911.

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Postby Norstal » Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:45 am

Mefpan wrote:I for one welcome our benevolent animu overlords.

Oh, and anything that subtly ticks off the People's Republic of China or the supposedly Best Korea without causing either of them to explode.

This might tick off South Korea although, if they pushed this reinterpretation to make defensive pacts with SK possible, it wouldn't tick off too much people.
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Postby Threlizdun » Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:45 am

Oaledonia wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:Unconstitutional and extremely unwise

Japan isn't rebuilding an empire as China wants you to believe, get over it.
I never said it was. It does however make it more open to military action, and as China said, it casts doubts on their preparedness to resolve their conflict with the Chinese through peaceful diplomacy.
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Postby Oaledonia » Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:46 am

The Remnants of Kobol wrote:
Oaledonia wrote:Post losses.


Which is why I said there are other ways to deliver warheads. If the DPRK really wanted to nuke someone, they'd probably put their nuke on a ship and sail it into a harbour.

> Implying Japan wouldn't find the ship first

Norstal wrote:
Oaledonia wrote:Japan isn't rebuilding an empire as China wants you to believe, get over it.

He didn't said Japan is rebuilding an empire. Don't get edgy and make assumptions over other people's posts.

Still edgy over not making yourself clear, are we?
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Postby Mefpan » Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:46 am

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Mefpan wrote:The People's Republic of China needs to make a fuss about this or they run risk of losing enough prestige to lose the Mandate of Heaven modifier that gives them -10 Revolt Risk and assorted bonuses in all their provinces. Hell, the prestige requirements are even tighter considering the Republic of China exists, putting itsy bitsy tiny scratches on its legitimacy as a state.


What kind of image of China do you have? Because no one has used the whole Mandate of Heaven thing since 1911.

It's a reference to a Paradox game. And I do make jokes about the People's Republic of China because I think they're a joke. A horrible, morbid joke that shouldn't be laughed at or even exist in the first place, but a joke nonetheless.
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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:47 am

Gigaverse wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
He'll just rename his Era name "Showa the Second".

Nope. No. Not in several million years.


And the Third World War will break out in "Second Showa, year 5" and the world will become completely uninhabitable by what would be "Second Showa, year 14" if it weren't for the fact that everyone's dead.

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