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What is your denomination?

Roman Catholic
315
34%
Eastern Orthodox
65
7%
Non-Chalcedonian (Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East , etc.)
10
1%
Anglican/Episcopalian
57
6%
Lutheran or Reformed (including Calvinist, Presbyterian, etc.)
86
9%
Methodist
30
3%
Baptist
104
11%
Pentecostal
31
3%
Restorationist (LDS Movement, Jehovah's Witness, etc.)
36
4%
Other Christian
200
21%
 
Total votes : 934

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Postby Urran » Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:57 pm

In some circles I do profess Christ, like when saying we should care for the planet, that's in there right? But so many different views, augh
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Postby Conscentia » Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:58 pm

Constantinopolis wrote:
Conscentia wrote:I don't understand why people would want to have a purpose. Only tools have a purpose. People shouldn't be reduced to mere tools.

If we do not have a purpose, why exist?

The answer is subjective.
To be blunt, those who aren't asking are tools or no longer exist. Those who are asking already know the answer - though they've yet to find a way to articulate it.

For me, the answer is not profound.

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Southern Louisiane
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Postby Southern Louisiane » Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:59 pm

Urran wrote:If you find a church that will accept someone that likes anime, rock music, fantasy literature, and hangs out with people at the comics store, let me know. That was all " of satan"

Ummm Catholic, Othodox, Anglican/Episcopal, Methodist, you can find a Baptist church (not all are the same), Nondenominational

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Conscentia
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Postby Conscentia » Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:00 pm

Constantinopolis wrote:
Conscentia wrote:You shouldn't live just because you believe you have to perform a function - that's no way to live. You should live because you actually want to live, not because ceasing to live would mean you've failed to perform your function. You should live for the things you like about life, or to acquire the aforementioned things.

Living just to do stuff you like? How... small and petty.

I'd rather be a tool for a grand purpose any day rather than live just because I want to have fun.

There is no grand purpose. All purpose is arbitrary, and petty.

Edit: ... I just re-read what I've written recently on this thread... Do I sound like a Reaper with a smiley face painted on it? :p
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Postby Czechanada » Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:02 pm

Constantinopolis wrote:
Conscentia wrote:I don't understand why people would want to have a purpose. Only tools have a purpose. People shouldn't be reduced to mere tools.

If we do not have a purpose, why exist?


One can define their purpose in life.
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Urran
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Postby Urran » Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:03 pm

How exactly do I go about believing and "accepting Jesus" as they say? I've heard many ways. Which is right? I don't want to have to tell every "bad thing" ive ever done to some priest or preacher. It's none of his business.
A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it's accepted by a majority.
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Conscentia
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Postby Conscentia » Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:05 pm

Czechanada wrote:
Constantinopolis wrote:If we do not have a purpose, why exist?

One can define their purpose in life.

Why would you want to?
Why would you envy a hammer more than a piece of art? (To clarify: Hammers have a purpose, art is a frivolous expression of creativity.)
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Postby Conscentia » Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:08 pm

Urran wrote:How exactly do I go about believing and "accepting Jesus" as they say? I've heard many ways. Which is right? I don't want to have to tell every "bad thing" ive ever done to some priest or preacher. It's none of his business.

My answer would not be relevant to Christianity, so I'll spoiler the blasphemy:
Jesus is a false messiah. He is not the legitimate heir to the throne of David, and did not fulfill the prophecies of Judaism. He should not be accepted.
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Postby Murkwood » Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:10 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Urran wrote:How exactly do I go about believing and "accepting Jesus" as they say? I've heard many ways. Which is right? I don't want to have to tell every "bad thing" ive ever done to some priest or preacher. It's none of his business.

My answer would not be relevant to Christianity, so I'll spoiler the blasphemy:
Jesus is a false messiah. He is not the legitimate heir to the throne of David, and did not fulfill the prophecies of Judaism. He should not be accepted.

Buddy, you sure you're in the right thread?
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o

Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

Catholicism has the fullness of the splendor of truth: The Bible and the Church Fathers agree!

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Conscentia
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Postby Conscentia » Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:10 pm

Urran wrote:If you find a church that will accept someone that likes anime, rock music, fantasy literature, and hangs out with people at the comics store, let me know. That was all " of satan"

The Roman Catholic Church.
The Eastern Orthodox Church.
As far as I know, neither have any doctrinal objection to that stuff.

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Conscentia
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Postby Conscentia » Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:12 pm

Murkwood wrote:
Conscentia wrote:My answer would not be relevant to Christianity, so I'll spoiler the blasphemy:
Jesus is a false messiah. He is not the legitimate heir to the throne of David, and did not fulfill the prophecies of Judaism. He should not be accepted.

Buddy, you sure you're in the right thread?

I've been here since the first Christian Discussion Thread.
I placed it in a spoiler out of politeness. I felt that a telegram would be unnecessarily awkward.
If anyone really minds, I'll edit out the post.

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Puerto Tyranus
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Postby Puerto Tyranus » Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:59 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Murkwood wrote:Buddy, you sure you're in the right thread?

I've been here since the first Christian Discussion Thread.
I placed it in a spoiler out of politeness. I felt that a telegram would be unnecessarily awkward.
If anyone really minds, I'll edit out the post.

Meh, it's always good to have a Devil's advocate (Ugh, that joke is so terrible that I shudder to continue this post), and I always find that non-Christians tend to ask the best questions for provoking thought about Christian Theology.
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Though that might just be my natural like of Heathens over Heretics.
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I'm Roman Catholic, so there's that. If you have any questions about what Roman Catholicism really does, I guess I can help. You should probably go to a priest to ask, but I know some things.
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Postby Othelos » Wed Aug 06, 2014 8:02 pm

Puerto Tyranus wrote:
Conscentia wrote:I've been here since the first Christian Discussion Thread.
I placed it in a spoiler out of politeness. I felt that a telegram would be unnecessarily awkward.
If anyone really minds, I'll edit out the post.

Meh, it's always good to have a Devil's advocate (Ugh, that joke is so terrible that I shudder to continue this post), and I always find that non-Christians tend to ask the best questions for provoking thought about Christian Theology.
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Though that might just be my natural like of Heathens over Heretics.

I don't understand why so many Christians worry about 'heretics'. In the churches I grew up going to, everyone respected the other denominations. No one ever even said 'heretics'.
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Puerto Tyranus
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Postby Puerto Tyranus » Wed Aug 06, 2014 8:16 pm

Othelos wrote:
Puerto Tyranus wrote:Meh, it's always good to have a Devil's advocate (Ugh, that joke is so terrible that I shudder to continue this post), and I always find that non-Christians tend to ask the best questions for provoking thought about Christian Theology.
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Though that might just be my natural like of Heathens over Heretics.

I don't understand why so many Christians worry about 'heretics'. In the churches I grew up going to, everyone respected the other denominations. No one ever even said 'heretics'.

And no one says it in the Catholic Church anymore, either. I've just been playing EU3 recently and find it to be a convenient way to categorize peoples of different faiths.

And wait, people still worry about "heretics"? Really? They say that? Cause it isn't really that modern of a term, or a very politically correct one.

On a side note, what was the chronologically last Crusade? Was it the Reconquista?
"There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people."
-Commander William Adama
I'm Roman Catholic, so there's that. If you have any questions about what Roman Catholicism really does, I guess I can help. You should probably go to a priest to ask, but I know some things.
Total Population: 1,103,000,000
Criminals: 49,954,494
Elderly, Disabled, & Retirees: 144,083,650
Military & Reserves: 110,182,685
Students and Youth: 195,506,750
Unemployed but Able: 121,075,077
Working Class: 482,197,344
Defcon: 3

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Othelos
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Postby Othelos » Wed Aug 06, 2014 8:17 pm

Puerto Tyranus wrote:
Othelos wrote:I don't understand why so many Christians worry about 'heretics'. In the churches I grew up going to, everyone respected the other denominations. No one ever even said 'heretics'.

And no one says it in the Catholic Church anymore, either. I've just been playing EU3 recently and find it to be a convenient way to categorize peoples of different faiths.

And wait, people still worry about "heretics"? Really? They say that? Cause it isn't really that modern of a term, or a very politically correct one.

I've seen it a bunch of times on this thread and on NS. From regular posters.
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Postby Conscentia » Wed Aug 06, 2014 8:29 pm

Puerto Tyranus wrote:
Othelos wrote:I don't understand why so many Christians worry about 'heretics'. In the churches I grew up going to, everyone respected the other denominations. No one ever even said 'heretics'.

And no one says it in the Catholic Church anymore, either. I've just been playing EU3 recently and find it to be a convenient way to categorize peoples of different faiths.

And wait, people still worry about "heretics"? Really? They say that? Cause it isn't really that modern of a term, or a very politically correct one.
[...]

Heretic simply refers to an advocate of heresy - a belief or opinion contrary to orthodox religious (especially Christian) doctrine.

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The Flood
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Postby The Flood » Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:01 pm

Urran wrote:I've heard people say how good it makes them feel. That they don't feel like their lives are meaningless, but they're so mean. I'm just tired of being dust in the wind
You do not have to be like them to believe.
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Postby The Flood » Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:05 pm

Urran wrote:If you find a church that will accept someone that likes anime, rock music, fantasy literature, and hangs out with people at the comics store, let me know. That was all " of satan"
You'd find that with ease pretty much anywhere outside of the deep south. I know plenty of devout Christians that love anime, or rock music, or comics, or any of that other stuff.

In fact, my Christian Ethics teacher enjoyed rock, and Lord of the Rings.
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Postby Othelos » Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:07 pm

The Flood wrote:
Urran wrote:If you find a church that will accept someone that likes anime, rock music, fantasy literature, and hangs out with people at the comics store, let me know. That was all " of satan"
You'd find that with ease pretty much anywhere outside of the deep south. I know plenty of devout Christians that love anime, or rock music, or comics, or any of that other stuff.

In fact, my Christian Ethics teacher enjoyed rock, and Lord of the Rings.

My old church played rock music during worship.
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Postby The Flood » Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:08 pm

Urran wrote:How exactly do I go about believing and "accepting Jesus" as they say? I've heard many ways. Which is right? I don't want to have to tell every "bad thing" ive ever done to some priest or preacher. It's none of his business.
You won't want to confess until the first time you do it, then you will realize that a huge weight has been lifted from your shoulders.

And you can trust the priest, most of them would go to jail or even die before they'd break the seal of confessional.
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Postby Othelos » Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:09 pm

The Flood wrote:
Urran wrote:How exactly do I go about believing and "accepting Jesus" as they say? I've heard many ways. Which is right? I don't want to have to tell every "bad thing" ive ever done to some priest or preacher. It's none of his business.
You won't want to confess until the first time you do it, then you will realize that a huge weight has been lifted from your shoulders.

And you can trust the priest, most of them would go to jail or even die before they'd break the seal of confessional.

or you could just pray to god directly for forgiveness.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:10 pm

Othelos wrote:
The Flood wrote:You won't want to confess until the first time you do it, then you will realize that a huge weight has been lifted from your shoulders.

And you can trust the priest, most of them would go to jail or even die before they'd break the seal of confessional.

or you could just pray to god directly for forgiveness.

I prefer this method.

I do not believe in going to a confession. It is unnecessary.

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Postby The Flood » Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:13 pm

Othelos wrote:
Puerto Tyranus wrote:And no one says it in the Catholic Church anymore, either. I've just been playing EU3 recently and find it to be a convenient way to categorize peoples of different faiths.
And wait, people still worry about "heretics"? Really? They say that? Cause it isn't really that modern of a term, or a very politically correct one.
I've seen it a bunch of times on this thread and on NS. From regular posters.
Heresy isn't really a term of disparagement. It's just the view of the Church regarding their doctrinal rejections. In the eyes of the ancient Churches of Christianity, Protestants are heretics. That doesn't mean we think they are evil or bad.
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Postby The Flood » Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:15 pm

Othelos wrote:
The Flood wrote:You won't want to confess until the first time you do it, then you will realize that a huge weight has been lifted from your shoulders.
And you can trust the priest, most of them would go to jail or even die before they'd break the seal of confessional.

or you could just pray to god directly for forgiveness.
It is not un-viable, but it is too easy. Are you truly sorry for your sins if you aren't even willing to confess to a priest, to do something that may go a bit out of your comfort zone?
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Postby Othelos » Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:18 pm

The Flood wrote:
Othelos wrote:I've seen it a bunch of times on this thread and on NS. From regular posters.
Heresy isn't really a term of disparagement. It's just the view of the Church regarding their doctrinal rejections. In the eyes of the ancient Churches of Christianity, Protestants are heretics. That doesn't mean we think they are evil or bad.

I didn't think so, but referring to other Christians as heretics seems outdated.

The Flood wrote:
Othelos wrote:or you could just pray to god directly for forgiveness.
It is not un-viable, but it is too easy. Are you truly sorry for your sins if you aren't even willing to confess to a priest, to do something that may go a bit out of your comfort zone?

just admitting my sins out loud in prayer was often enough for me. haven't prayed in a while, though. kinda lost my way because of peripheral issues.
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