Christian Discussion Thread IV

[The Alma Mater]

Is propagating false information that could potentially eventually lead to deaths something a good christian should do ?
If not, is ignorance an excuse ?

It is actually probably the oldest theological truth in all of the Abrahamic Religions. Ignorance is a defense. There's a reason it was called the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil. Adam and Eve sinned but were ignorant. It wasn't until they ate of the tree that they knew of their sins.

Then why did christians send out missonaries ?

[The United Neptumousian Empire]

This whole talk of manga Bible reminds me of that episode of American Dad about the apocalypse, and it shows some art featuring the Rapture, and Jesus fighting the Devil. It looked super cool, Jesus looked totally sick!

[Constantinopolis]

It is actually probably the oldest theological truth in all of the Abrahamic Religions. Ignorance is a defense. There's a reason it was called the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil. Adam and Eve sinned but were ignorant. It wasn't until they ate of the tree that they knew of their sins.

Then why did christians send out missonaries ?

Because the ignorance in question - the one that is a legitimate excuse - is not ignorance of the Gospel, but ignorance of the consequences of your actions.

In other words, if you are doing something that you believe to be helping other people, but which is actually hurting them in reality, then your ignorance of the true consequences of your actions is an excuse. "I never meant to hurt anyone" is an excuse.

However, "yes I intended to hurt people, but I didn't know that would get me stuck in hell because no missionaries ever came to tell me about it" is not an excuse.

[Idzequitch]

It is actually probably the oldest theological truth in all of the Abrahamic Religions. Ignorance is a defense. There's a reason it was called the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil. Adam and Eve sinned but were ignorant. It wasn't until they ate of the tree that they knew of their sins.

Then why did christians send out missonaries ?

Matthew 24:14 says the Gospel must be preached all around the world before the end will come. Plus it's difficult to reconcile being a loving religion, and purposefully leaving people to their ignorance.

[The Alexanderians]

So...What are some of you giving up for Lent?

[Bunkeranlage]

So...What are some of you giving up for Lent?

Roasted pork, since it's Chinese New Year.

[Aelex]

I know, right?

That's interesting. Then again, most shoujo (MOST...there are a few exceptions) is kinda the same, so that's why shonen is more popular.

But yeah, a shonen manja of the Bible would be legit.

Still, their is already games, (liberally) inspired of the Bible and pretty cool, they're called "The Binding of Isaac" and "The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth".

[Constantinopolis]

To put it simply, it is necessary to send out missionaries and preach the Gospel to all nations because people will be judged according to Christian standards of morality even if they've never had Christianity preached to them.

Of course, it is entirely possible to follow Christian standards of morality even if you've never heard of Christianity, which is why we hold out hope for the salvation of many non-Christians.

But it's a lot easier to abide by certain standards after you've actually been told what those standards are. That's what missionaries do. They greatly increase the chances of salvation by telling people what they actually need to do in order to attain it.

[Narland]

Is propagating false information that could potentially eventually lead to deaths something a good christian should do ?
If not, is ignorance an excuse ?

It is actually probably the oldest theological truth in all of the Abrahamic Religions. Ignorance is a defense. There's a reason it was called the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil. Adam and Eve sinned but were ignorant. It wasn't until they ate of the tree that they knew of their sins.

Ignorance is not an excuse. (Lev. 2, Rom. 10) We are to be knowledgeable and innocent. (Proverbs 1, Matt 10:16) Innocence with ignorance is naïvete--that form of foolishness that brought sin into the world (Rom 5:12) Whatever our forebears did by eating of the tree of the knowledge (of the consequences) of good (undifferentiatable from) evil, it broke not just the human race but the entire cosmos. (Gen 1-3, Rom 3, Rom 8.).

[Aelex]

So...What are some of you giving up for Lent?

Well, I dunno, I never do anything like that for the Carême, so I don't think I'll start this year.
I'll just do as usual, eating (especially meat) the less possible, and even less the Friday, and drinking a lot of water...
Basically, it's more a diet than anything else for me... ^^

[Aelex]

f course, it is entirely possible to follow Christian standards of morality even if you've never heard of Christianity, which is why we hold out hope for the salvation of many non-Christians.
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Yep, that's the principe of the "Virtuous Pagans", even if it was accepted pretty lately...

[NuevoPaisVasco]

st.louis was a good king and a good saint

[Aelex]

st.louis was a good king and a good saint

Indeed, but his crusades were pretty failed... And his canonisation more a political maneuver of the Pope to have the sympathy of his son than a real recognition of his goods deeds...

[The Archregimancy]

So...What are some of you giving up for Lent?

I don't 'give things up' for Lent in so many words.

When Great Lent starts tomorrow, I'll follow the traditional fast of the Orthodox Church insofar as my health allows. But I don't see that as 'giving things up for Lent'; I consider it a normal part of the liturgical calendar.

It might well be a semantic distinction, but the idea of giving up a individual thing or two for Lent - such as chocolate or vodka - somehow seems to me to trivialise the meaning of the broader Lenten fast.

[The Archregimancy]

f course, it is entirely possible to follow Christian standards of morality even if you've never heard of Christianity, which is why we hold out hope for the salvation of many non-Christians.
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Yep, that's the principe of the "Virtuous Pagans", even if it was accepted pretty lately...

As an Orthodox Christian, Constantinopolis is likely referring to the theology of modified apocatastasis - as originally expounded by Origen, and subsequently modified by St Gregory of Nyssa and St Maximus Confessor - rather than the concept of 'virtuous pagans'.

Modified apocatastasis holds that we may hope for the salvation of all non-Christians - though should never assume that salvation will be universal since some individuals may deliberately choose to disassociate themselves from God. It's a theological path that's always been stronger in Eastern Christianity, though Catholics rediscovered it to some degree in the second half of the last century.

If I'm incorrect about his intent, I'm sure Constantinopolis will clarify.

[Aelex]

So...What are some of you giving up for Lent?

I don't 'give things up' for Lent in so many words.

When Great Lent starts tomorrow, I'll follow the traditional fast of the Orthodox Church insofar as my health allows. But I don't see that as 'giving things up for Lent'; I consider it a normal part of the liturgical calendar.

It might well be a semantic distinction, but the idea of giving up a individual thing or two for Lent - such as chocolate or vodka - somehow seems to me to trivialise the meaning of the broader Lenten fast.

It's quite true, still, I think it's most a "mark of respect" you pay to God.
Such as, by exemple, prying in Latin when you're Catholic or things like that...

[Plutoniaa]

https://answersingenesis.org/bible-ques ... t-slavery/

[Tarsonis Survivors]

https://answersingenesis.org/bible-questions/doesnt-the-bible-support-slavery/

... you must be new here

[Sun Wukong]

https://answersingenesis.org/bible-questions/doesnt-the-bible-support-slavery/

Is there a reason that you both bring this up out of nowhere, and link to a notoriously biased and idiotic source?

[Constaniana]

https://answersingenesis.org/bible-questions/doesnt-the-bible-support-slavery/

Is there a reason that you both bring this up out of nowhere, and link to a notoriously biased and idiotic source?

Maybe he's giving up slavery for Lent?

[The Alma Mater]

Is there a reason that you both bring this up out of nowhere, and link to a notoriously biased and idiotic source?

Maybe he's giving up slavery for Lent?

If one includes sweatshop (child)labour in "slavery" that would actually be quite hard. And impressive if managed.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Maybe he's giving up slavery for Lent?

If one includes sweatshop (child)labour in "slavery" that would actually be quite hard. And impressive if managed.

what ever will we do without an iphone 7

[Nordengrund]

There is a manga version of the Bible.

They're even making a manga of the Quran.

Yep, but a shonen one, with fights and with it's archetypal characters, like Marie as "a loli", Samson as "the bad guy which is in fact a good guy when you know him better"; Salomon as "the wise guy"; Jesus as the "Main Character", etc,etc... I think we could even put some yandere character...
I'm pretty sure that if someone create manga like dat, the church frequentation'll double...

I have a Manga Melech which are covers the stories from Exodus to the coronation of Solomon.

I think David and Joshua were bad ass in it. I could see Samson turning into a Super Sayan.

[Benuty]

https://answersingenesis.org/bible-questions/doesnt-the-bible-support-slavery/

... you must be new here

Or they are Archeuland.

[Benuty]

https://answersingenesis.org/bible-questions/doesnt-the-bible-support-slavery/

Is there a reason that you both bring this up out of nowhere, and link to a notoriously biased and idiotic source?

Maybe they are freeing their slaves for this year?