Christian Discussion Thread IV

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Talking about a religion, its points and history, its notable figures is not indoctrinating. It's simply giving information. Do you even know what ''indoctrination'' means? Because I don't think you do and yet you keep using it.

Then, what's all the fuss about introducing religious curriculum to schools when we're just giving information?

Do you know what indoctrination is? I really want to know.

There's a difference between talking about a specific faith and wanting kids to be part of it. Other than in history, religion (as a moralistic way of thinking) has no place in public schools.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Ah. So you're not educated on what Christianity is.

Good to know then.

Correction, Catholicism. I'm a Protestant. We Protestants never use any of that terms. Do not commit the TV Tropes fallacy of Catholicism is Christianity. It's bad for you.

No, I am not using the fallacy of Catholicism is Christianity.

I am simply saying you don't understand what these terms mean.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Is teaching kids about the Greek and the Greek gods ''classical Pagan indoctrination''?

No Nana, it's the truth.

Mars Exulte

I see your Mars and raise you my Athena.

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

Then, what's all the fuss about introducing religious curriculum to schools when we're just giving information?

Because what most Christians use as "information" is in fact indoctrination.

A world religions' class which provides equal time to explore each and every religion is more than enough in schools to provide information. What most Christians think when they say "religious curriculum" isn't.

When it's Islam, it's giving information. When it's Christianity, it's "indoctrination". Double standard much?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Because what most Christians use as "information" is in fact indoctrination.

A world religions' class which provides equal time to explore each and every religion is more than enough in schools to provide information. What most Christians think when they say "religious curriculum" isn't.

When it's Islam, it's giving information. When it's Christianity, it's "indoctrination". Double standard much?

Notice what I said, and notice what you just did. See your post? That's called a strawman.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Oh no, not the lamb and the sates! Not the lamb and the dates!!

Converting file into Islam: 99% completed...

Soon you will be halal

Oh honey, nothing will ever make me halal. I like cow too much. And pork.

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

Correction, Catholicism. I'm a Protestant. We Protestants never use any of that terms. Do not commit the TV Tropes fallacy of Catholicism is Christianity. It's bad for you.

No, I am not using the fallacy of Catholicism is Christianity.

I am simply saying you don't understand what these terms mean.

Of course, because I am a Protestant. We Catholics and Protestants have different nomenclatures.

But, for me, I simply believe that a Christian is either a Christian or not.

[Irredento]

Ah. So you're not educated on what Christianity is.

Good to know then.

Correction, Catholicism. I'm a Protestant. We Protestants never use any of that terms. Do not commit the TV Tropes fallacy of Catholicism is Christianity. It's bad for you.

Historically we've used these terms against one another. Trust me.

I'm a Scotsman who comes from a family that lost much of its fortune and prestige circa 1745 over this sort of thing. I definitely know my stuff on this point.

For what it's worth though, we use the term "separated brethren" in the Catholic Church these days. I don't indulge in attacking my brothers in the faith and much prefer to pray for the reunification of our one holy Catholic and apostolic Church as it was founded by Jesus Christ.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

No, I am not using the fallacy of Catholicism is Christianity.

I am simply saying you don't understand what these terms mean.

Of course, because I am a Protestant. We Catholics and Protestants have different nomenclatures.

But, for me, I simply believe that a Christian is either a Christian or not.

And that still doesn't dispute the fact you don't understand the words apostate and heretic.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

No, I am not using the fallacy of Catholicism is Christianity.

I am simply saying you don't understand what these terms mean.

Of course, because I am a Protestant. We Catholics and Protestants have different nomenclatures.

But, for me, I simply believe that a Christian is either a Christian or not.

Not even Jesus was that black and white, shame on you. He understood that the world is a palette full of many gradations of gray.

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

Of course, because I am a Protestant. We Catholics and Protestants have different nomenclatures.

But, for me, I simply believe that a Christian is either a Christian or not.

And that still doesn't dispute the fact you don't understand the words apostate and heretic.

I admit I do not understand the difference between apostate and heretic.

[Washington Resistance Army]

No Nana, it's the truth.

Mars Exulte

I see your Mars and raise you my Athena.

The Roman Pantheon was way cooler, but my inner Romanophile says I might be a bit biased.

No, I am not using the fallacy of Catholicism is Christianity.

I am simply saying you don't understand what these terms mean.

Of course, because I am a Protestant. We Catholics and Protestants have different nomenclatures.

But, for me, I simply believe that a Christian is either a Christian or not.

And how do you decide who is or isn't a Christian?

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

When it's Islam, it's giving information. When it's Christianity, it's "indoctrination". Double standard much?

Notice what I said, and notice what you just did. See your post? That's called a strawman.

Care to quote so I can read?

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

Of course, because I am a Protestant. We Catholics and Protestants have different nomenclatures.

But, for me, I simply believe that a Christian is either a Christian or not.

And how do you decide who is or isn't a Christian?

Adherence to fundamental beliefs.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

And that still doesn't dispute the fact you don't understand the words apostate and heretic.

I admit I do not understand the difference between apostate and heretic.

Apostasy is a formal disaffiliation or abandonment of a religion. Heresy are beliefs contrary to orthodox religion.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And that still doesn't dispute the fact you don't understand the words apostate and heretic.

I admit I do not understand the difference between apostate and heretic.

An apostate, simply put, is someone who renounces the religion. If I was to, say, convert from Christianity to Buddhism tomorrow I'd be an apostate by Christianity proper.

A heretic is someone who has unconventional beliefs, or who is in formal error. An agnostic Christian is someone who is in error because of their agnostic beliefs. That doesn't make them an apostate.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

Soon you will be halal

Oh honey, nothing will ever make me halal. I like cow too much. And pork.

Cow is acceptable. So long as it isn't road kill or died a natural death.

[Washington Resistance Army]

And how do you decide who is or isn't a Christian?

Adherence to fundamental beliefs.

Such as what exactly? Because different denominations can have pretty wildly different ideas of what their fundamental beliefs are.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

Adherence to fundamental beliefs.

Such as what exactly? Because different denominations can have pretty wildly different ideas of what their fundamental beliefs are.

only his fundamental beliefs are real.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Oh honey, nothing will ever make me halal. I like cow too much. And pork.

Cow is acceptable. So long as it isn't road kill or died a natural death.

You know, tbh, I've been under the impression all along that Muslims do not eat cow. But you do, then?

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

Correction, Catholicism. I'm a Protestant. We Protestants never use any of that terms. Do not commit the TV Tropes fallacy of Catholicism is Christianity. It's bad for you.

Historically we've used these terms against one another. Trust me.

I'm a Scotsman who comes from a family that lost much of its fortune and prestige circa 1745 over this sort of thing. I definitely know my stuff on this point.

For what it's worth though, we use the term "separated brethren" in the Catholic Church these days. I don't indulge in attacking my brothers in the faith and much prefer to pray for the reunification of our one holy Catholic and apostolic Church as it was founded by Jesus Christ.

Good for you, I've also stopped viewing Catholics as "not really correct" and decided there seems to be nothing wrong with them whatsoever.

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

Adherence to fundamental beliefs.

Such as what exactly? Because different denominations can have pretty wildly different ideas of what their fundamental beliefs are.

The Nicene Creed is a good starting point. You have to believe in a Holy Trinity, in a single God, that Jesus Christ was the son of God, that He was crucified, that He was resurrected, and that He will come again.

You know, the usual Christian stuff.

[The United Neptumousian Empire]

Oh honey, nothing will ever make me halal. I like cow too much. And pork.

Cow is acceptable. So long as it isn't road kill or died a natural death.

There is a religion that doesn't eat cows. I think it's Hinduism, is that right?

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

Cow is acceptable. So long as it isn't road kill or died a natural death.

There is a religion that doesn't eat cows. I think it's Hinduism, is that right?

Yes, where all vehicular traffic goes at all costs to avoid the cows shitting in the street.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

Cow is acceptable. So long as it isn't road kill or died a natural death.

You know, tbh, I've been under the impression all along that Muslims do not eat cow. But you do, then?

You are confused between Hindu and Muslim. Yes, we eat cow. In Hackensack, there is a great Halal restaurant that serves excellent burgers. I tried to take my husband there once but forgot that it was jummah. Then I got mad at my husband for not being at the masjid.