Christian Discussion Thread IV

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

You mean "see" as in read somewhere, right? http://www.whdh.com/story/26836053/some-revere-parents-upset-over-islam-in-curriculum

So how is teaching kids about Muslim people and their religion ''Islamic indoctrination'' again? Is teaching kids about India and Hinduism ''Hinduism indoctrination'' now? Is teaching kids about the Greek and the Greek gods ''classical Pagan indoctrination''?

I understand I gave a insufficient link to read.

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/students-take-field-trip-to-mosque-receive-koran.html - Getting a copy of the Koran in field trip, check.
http://www.worldwideweirdnews.com/2013/04/26908.html - School textbooks justifying Palestinian bombings, check.
http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/students-made-to-wear-burqas-in-u-s-state/#iAtKtAgqFDRSSshg.99- Students made to wear burqas, check.

The problem is that American public schools seem to be giving Islam a lot of air time.

[The United Neptumousian Empire]

Are you by any chance, Australian?

Oh, no, I'm not.

Okay, you're not her then.

But you would definitely like her.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism

An atheist identifying as a Christian is like me identifying as a horse.

And yet they do, and it is unconventional, which is why it's heresy.

Apostasy or rejection of the religion would mean they disassociate with the church, but these people have not. They are, as far as my understanding is, heretics.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

So how is teaching kids about Muslim people and their religion ''Islamic indoctrination'' again? Is teaching kids about India and Hinduism ''Hinduism indoctrination'' now? Is teaching kids about the Greek and the Greek gods ''classical Pagan indoctrination''?

I understand I gave a insufficient link to read.

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/students-take-field-trip-to-mosque-receive-koran.html - Getting a copy of the Koran in field trip, check.
http://www.worldwideweirdnews.com/2013/04/26908.html - School textbooks justifying Palestinian bombings, check.
http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/students-made-to-wear-burqas-in-u-s-state/#iAtKtAgqFDRSSshg.99- Students made to wear burqas, check.

The problem is that American public schools seem to be giving Islam a lot of air time.

That doesn't mean this is indoctrination. I advice you not to be an alarmist. Teaching kids about Muslim people (they more than likely have classmates, neighbors) who are Muslim, and Islam =/= Islamic indoctrination.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

So how is teaching kids about Muslim people and their religion ''Islamic indoctrination'' again? Is teaching kids about India and Hinduism ''Hinduism indoctrination'' now? Is teaching kids about the Greek and the Greek gods ''classical Pagan indoctrination''?

I understand I gave a insufficient link to read.

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/students-take-field-trip-to-mosque-receive-koran.html - Getting a copy of the Koran in field trip, check.
http://www.worldwideweirdnews.com/2013/04/26908.html - School textbooks justifying Palestinian bombings, check.
http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/students-made-to-wear-burqas-in-u-s-state/#iAtKtAgqFDRSSshg.99- Students made to wear burqas, check.

The problem is that American public schools seem to be giving Islam a lot of air time.

wow yeah those are reputable sources.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I understand I gave a insufficient link to read.

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/students-take-field-trip-to-mosque-receive-koran.html - Getting a copy of the Koran in field trip, check.
http://www.worldwideweirdnews.com/2013/04/26908.html - School textbooks justifying Palestinian bombings, check.
http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/students-made-to-wear-burqas-in-u-s-state/#iAtKtAgqFDRSSshg.99- Students made to wear burqas, check.

The problem is that American public schools seem to be giving Islam a lot of air time.

wow yeah those are reputable sources.

That only means one thing, Torc. If I talk to you and you explain to me some point about Islam, you must be *gasp* INDOCTRINATING me!!

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

And nowhere have I ever read that a doubtful believer cannot be Christian.

There is a difference between a believer with doubts, and an agnostic.[/quote]
To state that you are agnostic is to hold a position about knowledge of the supernatural or divine. An agnostic believes that they do not know or can not know whether or not the supernatural or any gods are real.

An agnostic theist would be a person who chooses to accept the premise that a god or gods exist while admitting that they do not or cannot know for sure.

An agnostic Christian would be a person who accepts the premises of Christianity without claiming certainty that it is true.

For instance, anyone who accepts Pascals Wager is an Agnostic Christian.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

wow yeah those are reputable sources.

That only means one thing, Torc. If I talk to you and you explain to me some point about Islam, you must be *gasp* INDOCTRINATING me!!

Quick, Nana, deport me back to Saudi Arabia, a country which I have never visited and have no ties to! My mere existence in the same continent as you might force my beliefs on you and you might grow a burqa! And God forbid you witness me praying! Your shoes will disappear and you will suddenly begin chanting "Allahu Akbar" with the love of God flowing through your body!

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

An atheist identifying as a Christian is like me identifying as a horse.

And yet they do, and it is unconventional, which is why it's heresy.

Apostasy or rejection of the religion would mean they disassociate with the church, but these people have not. They are, as far as my understanding is, heretics.

One problem among you all people is that you assume me to be a Catholic.

Of course as a Protestant, I don't use any of the terms "heretic", "apostate", "infidel", therefore I know nothing about the terminology. I only use two terms- Christian or non-Christian.

One again, you have demonstrated how you misunderstand Christianity, not even realizing that it's divided into main three branches and started to talk a Protestant like a Catholic. You're hilarious guys.

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

The problem is that American public schools seem to be giving Islam a lot of air time.

The awfulness of your sources aside, Islam is kinda relevant to current events.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

That only means one thing, Torc. If I talk to you and you explain to me some point about Islam, you must be *gasp* INDOCTRINATING me!!

Quick, Nana, deport me back to Saudi Arabia, a country which I have never visited and have no ties to! My mere existence in the same continent as you might force my beliefs on you and you might grow a burqa! And God forbid you witness me praying! Your shoes will disappear and you will suddenly begin chanting "Allahu Akbar" with the love of God flowing through your body!

Woe is me! Learning about another religion and another group of people I know next to nothing about will be my undoing!! Soon I'll be wearing a burqa and baking pita bread (which is, incidentally, delicious!).

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

I understand I gave a insufficient link to read.

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/students-take-field-trip-to-mosque-receive-koran.html - Getting a copy of the Koran in field trip, check.
http://www.worldwideweirdnews.com/2013/04/26908.html - School textbooks justifying Palestinian bombings, check.
http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/students-made-to-wear-burqas-in-u-s-state/#iAtKtAgqFDRSSshg.99- Students made to wear burqas, check.

The problem is that American public schools seem to be giving Islam a lot of air time.

That doesn't mean this is indoctrination. I advice you not to be an alarmist. Teaching kids about Muslim people (they more than likely have classmates, neighbors) who are Muslim, and Islam =/= Islamic indoctrination.

But, what if this was Christianity. Let's say we're going to teach them Christian theology, give them Bibles, teach them the morals and virtues of the Christian faith. We're just explaining to them at some point about Christianity, right?

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

The problem is that American public schools seem to be giving Islam a lot of air time.

The awfulness of your sources aside, Islam is kinda relevant to current events.

And relevant in general, considering that 23% of people are Muslim. There are more Muslims than there are Catholics.

[The United Neptumousian Empire]

And nowhere have I ever read that a doubtful believer cannot be Christian.

There is a difference between a believer with doubts, and an agnostic.

To state that you are agnostic is to hold a position about knowledge of the supernatural or divine. An agnostic believes that they do not know or can not know whether or not the supernatural or any gods are real.

An agnostic theist would be a person who chooses to accept the premise that a god or gods exist while admitting that they do not or cannot know for sure.

An agnostic Christian would be a person who accepts the premises of Christianity without claiming certainty that it is true.

For instance, anyone who accepts Pascals Wager is an Agnostic Christian.[/quote]Pascal's Wager is not supposed to be the basis of one's faith, it is just a starting point for doubters.

[Irredento]

As much as I wish to see all men turn to Christ, I think it's important to keep in mind when discussing Islam that, as terrible as ISIS and their ilk are, they are in fact ignorant savages whereas, to give but one example, the Jordanian pilot they burned to death inside a steel cage last month was well-versed in his faith, studied the Quran and sayings of his prophet intensively, and even did annual Hajj. The Islamic world is in a terrible state but there are good Muslims out there and it is they who suffer most at the hands of these barbarians. The Middle East could do with far less AK47s and way more fezes again.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

Quick, Nana, deport me back to Saudi Arabia, a country which I have never visited and have no ties to! My mere existence in the same continent as you might force my beliefs on you and you might grow a burqa! And God forbid you witness me praying! Your shoes will disappear and you will suddenly begin chanting "Allahu Akbar" with the love of God flowing through your body!

Woe is me! Learning about another religion and another group of people I know next to nothing about will be my undoing!! Soon I'll be wearing a burqa and baking pita bread (which is, incidentally, delicious!).

Don't come to my house, I have dates and lamb and I'm not afraid to cook them into a meal!

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

That doesn't mean this is indoctrination. I advice you not to be an alarmist. Teaching kids about Muslim people (they more than likely have classmates, neighbors) who are Muslim, and Islam =/= Islamic indoctrination.

But, what if this was Christianity. Let's say we're going to teach them Christian theology, give them Bibles, teach them the morals and virtues of the Christian faith. We're just talking to them at some point about Christianity, right?

Talking about a religion, its points and history, its notable figures is not indoctrinating. It's simply giving information. Do you even know what ''indoctrination'' means? Because I don't think you do and yet you keep using it.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And yet they do, and it is unconventional, which is why it's heresy.

Apostasy or rejection of the religion would mean they disassociate with the church, but these people have not. They are, as far as my understanding is, heretics.

One problem among you all people is that you assume me to be a Catholic.

Of course as a Protestant, I don't use any of the terms "heretic", "apostate", "infidel", therefore I know nothing about the terminology. I only use two terms- Christian or non-Christian.

One again, you have demonstrated how you misunderstand Christianity, not even realizing that it's divided into main three branches and started to talk a Protestant like a Catholic. You're hilarious guys.

Ah. So you're not educated on what Christianity is.

Good to know then.

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

But, what if this was Christianity. Let's say we're going to teach them Christian theology, give them Bibles, teach them the morals and virtues of the Christian faith. We're just talking to them at some point about Christianity, right?

Talking about a religion, its points and history, its notable figures is not indoctrinating. It's simply giving information. Do you even know what ''indoctrination'' means? Because I don't think you do and yet you keep using it.

Then, what's all the fuss about introducing religious curriculum to schools when we're just giving information?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Woe is me! Learning about another religion and another group of people I know next to nothing about will be my undoing!! Soon I'll be wearing a burqa and baking pita bread (which is, incidentally, delicious!).

Don't come to my house, I have dates and lamb and I'm not afraid to cook them into a meal!

Oh no, not the lamb and the sates! Not the lamb and the dates!!

Converting file into Islam: 99% completed...

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

One problem among you all people is that you assume me to be a Catholic.

Of course as a Protestant, I don't use any of the terms "heretic", "apostate", "infidel", therefore I know nothing about the terminology. I only use two terms- Christian or non-Christian.

One again, you have demonstrated how you misunderstand Christianity, not even realizing that it's divided into main three branches and started to talk a Protestant like a Catholic. You're hilarious guys.

Ah. So you're not educated on what Christianity is.

Good to know then.

Correction, Catholicism. I'm a Protestant. We Protestants never use any of that terms. Do not commit the TV Tropes fallacy of Catholicism is Christianity. It's bad for you.

[Washington Resistance Army]

You mean "see" as in read somewhere, right? http://www.whdh.com/story/26836053/some-revere-parents-upset-over-islam-in-curriculum

Is teaching kids about the Greek and the Greek gods ''classical Pagan indoctrination''?

No Nana, it's the truth.

Mars Exulte

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

Don't come to my house, I have dates and lamb and I'm not afraid to cook them into a meal!

Oh no, not the lamb and the sates! Not the lamb and the dates!!

Converting file into Islam: 99% completed...

Even when we're having a serious discussion, I appreciate your jokes, guys.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Talking about a religion, its points and history, its notable figures is not indoctrinating. It's simply giving information. Do you even know what ''indoctrination'' means? Because I don't think you do and yet you keep using it.

Then, what's all the fuss about introducing religious curriculum to schools when we're just giving information?

Because what most Christians use as "information" is in fact indoctrination.

A world religions' class which provides equal time to explore each and every religion is more than enough in schools to provide information. What most Christians think when they say "religious curriculum" isn't.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

Don't come to my house, I have dates and lamb and I'm not afraid to cook them into a meal!

Oh no, not the lamb and the sates! Not the lamb and the dates!!

Converting file into Islam: 99% completed...

Soon you will be halal