Christian Discussion Thread IV

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

And no true Scotsman puts sugar on their porridge.

Please don't make an analogy I cannot understand. I aren't interested to know in any way about Scotsman or their sugar or their porridge.

You don't get to decide who is a "true" Christian.
Maybe they don't think you are a "true" Christian.

There are Muslims who think I am not a "true" Muslim.
And other Muslims who think they are not "true" Muslims.

Faith comes in endless flavors. If they believe in the Bible, and they call themselves Christian, that is all that matters. You don't get to tell people who they are.

I think that terrorists who kill in the name of my religion are expressly going against the Quran, the Hadith, the Sunnah, and every valid teaching there has every been. But it doesn't matter whether or not I think they are "true" Muslims, because they are still Muslims no matter what I believe.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

No, that is what you have decided that Christianity is. There are millions of Christians in the world who do not run around spitting "GOD IS A FACT," because they recognize that they believe in God, but that does not mean that they can be wrong. Those who considering themselves Gnostic consider their belief infallible and are incapable and unwilling of seeing alternate viewpoints and education.

We actually figured all this out way back at the First Council of Nicaea. You might as well be arguing that one can be Islamic and believe in the Trinity at this point. A few fringe outliers can call themselves whatever they want but it is sacred tradition that defines what is in fact Christian. The Nicene Creed is integral to our faith.

And beliefs are not what are being disputed here, bud.

The fact that someone can belief but have doubts is an integral part of being human. If you think a doubtful believer is not a Christian then you have serious issues of acceptance.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Where in Narnia exactly are you seeing Islamic indoctrination in public schools? Teaching tolerance, which I am in favor of, and indoctrination are vastly different things.

So, do tell.

Google search "Islamic indoctrination"

That's not how it works, bub. You claimed you don't want to see Islamic indoctrination in public schools and I asked where exactly have you seen that. Care to provide me with some sauce for your taco salad of information?

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

Please don't make an analogy I cannot understand. I aren't interested to know in any way about Scotsman or their sugar or their porridge.

You don't get to decide who is a "true" Christian.
Maybe they don't think you are a "true" Christian.

There are Muslims who think I am not a "true" Muslim.
And other Muslims who think they are not "true" Muslims.

Faith comes in endless flavors. If they believe in the Bible, and they call themselves Christian, that is all that matters. You don't get to tell people who they are.

I think that terrorists who kill in the name of my religion are expressly going against the Quran, the Hadith, the Sunnah, and every valid teaching there has every been. But it doesn't matter whether or not I think they are "true" Muslims, because they are still Muslims no matter what I believe.

I don't get to decide who is a "true" Christian or not. Christianity decides who is a "true" Christian or not. There are simply fundamentals to the Christian faith that you require to believe if you are a Christian. Same with atheism, no one can get away with believing in God and then still be an atheist.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And the Nicene Creed is in no way incompatible with agnosticism; since it uses the phrase "We believe".
Wonderful, is it not ?

Precisely. Agnostics are not Christians. It's rather simple really.

Agnostics and Atheists can be Christians if they were baptized as babies because of Catholic tradition.

[The United Neptumousian Empire]

Please don't make an analogy I cannot understand. I aren't interested to know in any way about Scotsman or their sugar or their porridge.

You don't get to decide who is a "true" Christian.
Maybe they don't think you are a "true" Christian.

There are Muslims who think I am not a "true" Muslim.
And other Muslims who think they are not "true" Muslims.

Faith comes in endless flavors. If they believe in the Bible, and they call themselves Christian, that is all that matters. You don't get to tell people who they are.

I think that terrorists who kill in the name of my religion are expressly going against the Quran, the Hadith, the Sunnah, and every valid teaching there has every been. But it doesn't matter whether or not I think they are "true" Muslims, because they are still Muslims no matter what I believe.

Christianity does get to decide who is Christian.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

They can totally exist. But the state should have nothing to do with them. You don't get to use tax payer money for religion.

If they are not subsidized, they are not affordable, and are thus inaccessible to all but the rich.

That's funny because I went to a Catholic school as a child and we were poor as fuck. They even helped us afford my school uniforms. And my family isn't even Catholic, it was simply the only other school I had available to me after I was abused by a teacher in Kindergarten.

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

Google search "Islamic indoctrination"

That's not how it works, bub. You claimed you don't want to see Islamic indoctrination in public schools and I asked where exactly have you seen that. Care to provide me with some sauce for your taco salad of information?

What the heck? I just said I don't want to see "Islamic indoctrination". Why is it that I am required to have seen it in the past. Does that mean that when I haven't seen a dragon means I had seen one in the past? I think you can misunderstanding me a lot.

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

You don't get to decide who is a "true" Christian.
Maybe they don't think you are a "true" Christian.

There are Muslims who think I am not a "true" Muslim.
And other Muslims who think they are not "true" Muslims.

Faith comes in endless flavors. If they believe in the Bible, and they call themselves Christian, that is all that matters. You don't get to tell people who they are.

I think that terrorists who kill in the name of my religion are expressly going against the Quran, the Hadith, the Sunnah, and every valid teaching there has every been. But it doesn't matter whether or not I think they are "true" Muslims, because they are still Muslims no matter what I believe.

Christianity does get to decide who is Christian.

Definitely, non-Christians always ignore the fact that we Christians adhere to a certain set of fundamental beliefs.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

You don't get to decide who is a "true" Christian.
Maybe they don't think you are a "true" Christian.

There are Muslims who think I am not a "true" Muslim.
And other Muslims who think they are not "true" Muslims.

Faith comes in endless flavors. If they believe in the Bible, and they call themselves Christian, that is all that matters. You don't get to tell people who they are.

I think that terrorists who kill in the name of my religion are expressly going against the Quran, the Hadith, the Sunnah, and every valid teaching there has every been. But it doesn't matter whether or not I think they are "true" Muslims, because they are still Muslims no matter what I believe.

Christianity does get to decide who is Christian.

Christianity gets to decide who is Christian.

And nowhere have I ever read that a doubtful believer cannot be Christian.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

That's not how it works, bub. You claimed you don't want to see Islamic indoctrination in public schools and I asked where exactly have you seen that. Care to provide me with some sauce for your taco salad of information?

What the heck? I just said I don't want to see "Islamic indoctrination". Why is it that I am required to have seen it in the past. Does that mean that when I haven't seen a dragon means I had seen one in the past? I think you can misunderstanding me a lot.

So you just mentioned it because reasons? Because you were the one who came and said such a thing out of fuck nowhere.

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

Precisely. Agnostics are not Christians. It's rather simple really.

Agnostics and Atheists can be Christians if they were baptized as babies because of Catholic tradition.

Baptism alone does not make one a Christian. They are only "Christian in paper".

[Soldati Senza Confini]

That's not how it works, bub. You claimed you don't want to see Islamic indoctrination in public schools and I asked where exactly have you seen that. Care to provide me with some sauce for your taco salad of information?

What the heck? I just said I don't want to see "Islamic indoctrination". Why is it that I am required to have seen it in the past. Does that mean that when I haven't seen a dragon means I had seen one in the past? I think you can misunderstanding me a lot.

For you to be scared and not see "Islamic indoctrination" there has to be Islamic indoctrination to begin with.

And, same as you don't want to see Islamic indoctrination, and even though I am Christian, I don't want to see Christian indoctrination in schools myself.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

You don't get to decide who is a "true" Christian.
Maybe they don't think you are a "true" Christian.

There are Muslims who think I am not a "true" Muslim.
And other Muslims who think they are not "true" Muslims.

Faith comes in endless flavors. If they believe in the Bible, and they call themselves Christian, that is all that matters. You don't get to tell people who they are.

I think that terrorists who kill in the name of my religion are expressly going against the Quran, the Hadith, the Sunnah, and every valid teaching there has every been. But it doesn't matter whether or not I think they are "true" Muslims, because they are still Muslims no matter what I believe.

I don't get to decide who is a "true" Christian or not. Christianity decides who is a "true" Christian or not. There are simply fundamentals to the Christian faith that you require to believe if you are a Christian. Same with atheism, no one can get away with believing in God and then still be an atheist.

You can be a Christian and still acknowledge that you might be wrong.
"I believe with all of my heart that God exists. I feel Him in everything I do. However, I will not claim that God is a fact, as this is my personal belief and my personal feelings and they do not affect anyone but me."
You can be atheist and still be agnostic.
"I do not believe there is a god. I have never seen evidence of a god or felt any presence in my life. However, my position is not provable and I will leave people to believe what they will because I know that there is always a chance I am wrong."

[The United Neptumousian Empire]

If they are not subsidized, they are not affordable, and are thus inaccessible to all but the rich.

That's funny because I went to a Catholic school as a child and we were poor as fuck. They even helped us afford my school uniforms. And my family isn't even Catholic, it was simply the only other school I had available to me after I was abused by a teacher in Kindergarten.

Economic situations vary from place to place. A Catholic school is not always going to be affordable in every location.

And in my opinion, a Catholic school should cost the same as a secular school, that is, nothing, besides a few basic school supplies.

Also, if you went to a Catholic school, why do you hate Catholic teachings so much?

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

What the heck? I just said I don't want to see "Islamic indoctrination". Why is it that I am required to have seen it in the past. Does that mean that when I haven't seen a dragon means I had seen one in the past? I think you can misunderstanding me a lot.

So you just mentioned it because reasons? Because you were the one who came and said such a thing out of fuck nowhere.

Yes, I just say that I don't want to see it in public schools, just like teaching against Christianity.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Agnostics and Atheists can be Christians if they were baptized as babies because of Catholic tradition.

Baptism alone does not make one a Christian. They are only "Christian in paper".

And yet they are Christian.

You didn't dispute the fact they were Christian, you simply strengthened my point.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

Christianity does get to decide who is Christian.

Definitely, non-Christians always ignore the fact that we Christians adhere to a certain set of fundamental beliefs.

Once again, you don't speak for every Christian.

[The United Neptumousian Empire]

Christianity does get to decide who is Christian.

Christianity gets to decide who is Christian.

And nowhere have I ever read that a doubtful believer cannot be Christian.

There is a difference between a believer with doubts, and an agnostic.

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

Baptism alone does not make one a Christian. They are only "Christian in paper".

And yet they are Christian.

You didn't dispute the fact they were Christian, you simply strengthened my point.

You have a wrong understanding of what makes a Christian or not. Christians are those who believe in a God, and believe in Jesus Christ as His Son and personal Saviour. You have to understand that Christianity is narrow, rigid and orthodox unlike other religions.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

So you just mentioned it because reasons? Because you were the one who came and said such a thing out of fuck nowhere.

Yes, I just say that I don't want to see it in public schools, just like teaching against Christianity.

And you bring that up because? Seriously, I am unsure as to why you even brought something up you haven't seen yet and that there's no possibility for it to even happen.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

That's funny because I went to a Catholic school as a child and we were poor as fuck. They even helped us afford my school uniforms. And my family isn't even Catholic, it was simply the only other school I had available to me after I was abused by a teacher in Kindergarten.

Economic situations vary from place to place. A Catholic school is not always going to be affordable in every location.

And in my opinion, a Catholic school should cost the same as a secular school, that is, nothing, besides a few basic school supplies.

Then get the Church to use those tithings to put towards the schools. The state has no place in religion. Religion has no place in the state.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

That's funny because I went to a Catholic school as a child and we were poor as fuck. They even helped us afford my school uniforms. And my family isn't even Catholic, it was simply the only other school I had available to me after I was abused by a teacher in Kindergarten.

Economic situations vary from place to place. A Catholic school is not always going to be affordable in every location.

And in my opinion, a Catholic school should cost the same as a secular school, that is, nothing, besides a few basic school supplies.

Catholic schools here in the United States and my own country of origin generally are funded by the Church itself.

All Catholic Churches are generally able to afford a few poor students.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Christianity gets to decide who is Christian.

And nowhere have I ever read that a doubtful believer cannot be Christian.

There is a difference between a believer with doubts, and an agnostic.

Er, not really. There is such a thing as an agnostic theist (these express doubts but do not deny the existence of a god, they're just unsure). And there's such a thing as an agnostic atheist.

[Irredento]

Precisely. Agnostics are not Christians. It's rather simple really.

Agnostics and Atheists can be Christians if they were baptized as babies because of Catholic tradition.

That is simply incorrect. Frankly it's ridiculous that we're even taking this discussion seriously.

Credo in unum Deum.✝