Christian Discussion Thread IV

[Conscentia]

Richard Dawkins confirms the 98% monkey. If you know more precise %s for dinosaurs and bananas, please tell us.

Firstly, dinosaur is a vast category. Are you referring to Stegosaurus armatus or Gallus gallus, for example?
Secondly, my objection is to your interpretation of the data, not to the data itself.

[Cetatsenia]

Firstly... We are not 98% monkey. We are 100% monkey, as humans are simians. We are also 100% ape, etc.

No, actually, we're not 100% monkey. Yes, we're 100% simian and 100% ape, but apes and monkeys are different groups of primates.

[MERIZoC]

Richard Dawkins confirms the 98% monkey. If you know more precise %s for dinosaurs and bananas, please tell us.

Firstly, dinosaur is a vast category. Are you referring to Stegosaurus armatus or Gallus gallus, for example?
Secondly, my objection is to your interpretation of the data, not to the data itself.

You realize we're all joking, right?

[Conscentia]

Firstly... We are not 98% monkey. We are 100% monkey, as humans are simians. We are also 100% ape, etc.

Secondly... having a certain percentage of one's nucleobases with another species does not make one said percentage of the aforementioned species. It suggests the degree of interrelatedness. That's all.

Monkey≠simian. If we were 100% monkey, we would have tails, no?

Apes are a type of simian, and humans are a type of apes. Monkeys are not apes, though they are a type of simian.

Monkey is an ambiguous term. Some use ape and monkey interchangeably. Some use it to refer to non-human tailless primates. And, as I did, it can be used as a synonym for simian as simian is the smallest scientific taxon containing all species considered to be "monkeys".
Scientists do not use "monkey" because of various problems with the terminology. For example, is the Barbary macaque a money? It's not a ape, but it doesn't have a tail.

[Conscentia]

Firstly, dinosaur is a vast category. Are you referring to Stegosaurus armatus or Gallus gallus, for example?
Secondly, my objection is to your interpretation of the data, not to the data itself.

You realize we're all joking, right?

No.

[Benuty]

You realize we're all joking, right?

No.

Quite right then....so, any good Mormon prophet jokes?

[Conscentia]

No.

Quite right then....so, any good Mormon prophet jokes?

Good ones? No. A blasphemous one, sure.

[Islamic republiq of Julundar]

"Monkey" is not an ambiguous term: shaped like Humans, with more fur and they are better at Football is close enough.

IIRC: Chimps, Bonobos and Humans had a Common Ancestor 7M BC: Common ancestor with Gorillas was 10M BC; Common ancestor with Orang Utans was 12M BC.

Barbary Apes have no tails. This is the difference between RL Evolution = adapting to circumstances and Star Trek Evolution = getting better and betterer all the time. Tails are cool. We should have kept them.

RL: pre-Human monkeys lived in a territory such that short-tails and no-tails had more babies than long-tails.

Evolution has no plan. It is just stuff happening.

[The Flood]

"Monkey" is not an ambiguous term: shaped like Humans, with more fur and they are better at Football is close enough.
IIRC: Chimps, Bonobos and Humans had a Common Ancestor 7M BC: Common ancestor with Gorillas was 10M BC; Common ancestor with Orang Utans was 12M BC.
Barbary Apes have no tails. This is the difference between RL Evolution = adapting to circumstances and Star Trek Evolution = getting better and betterer all the time. Tails are cool. We should have kept them.
RL: pre-Human monkeys lived in a territory such that short-tails and no-tails had more babies than long-tails.
Evolution has no plan. It is just stuff happening.

Evolution does have a plan, a plan laid down by God.

[Ta-Mehew]

I have a question for you Creationist Christians?
Why do you accept that Earth was created like 6000 years ago when there is human remnants from 2 million years ago? Please respond!

I'm not a young earth creationist. I am actually a evolutionary creationist, and believe we certainly have been around a lot longer than 6,000 years.

[New Terricon]

I was going to post,
but then,
Christians.

Peace out y'all!

[Benuty]

I was going to post,
but then,
Christians.

Peace out y'all!

Oh wow....really?

[The Nevadan Desert]

Why did God as described in the Bible choose to punish all of mankind for something one of the first humans did?

[Benuty]

Why did God as described in the Bible choose to punish all of mankind for something one of the first humans did?

Mesopotamia is certainly not the entire world, albeit to Noah, his family, and the other survivors it certainly would have seemed as if the world was ending. On top of it buildings were not that high so "covering even the tops of the highest buildings" should literally be taken at face value for the architectural and height styles of the time. It also avoids the problem of incest since there was not a situation in which incest was most definitely needed to repopulate.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

Jesus' presence in the Eucharist, real, spiritual, or not there at all?

[Benuty]

Jesus' presence in the Eucharist, real, spiritual, or not there at all?

The "Eucharist" almost seemed to be symbolic given they aren't actually consuming the body of the christ [as many Romans horrifying thought ergo generating cannibalism rumors]. I cannot really attest to him actually being there given I have never [and probably never will] participated in the Eucharist. I suppose I will leave it to the theologians of Christianity to give you that answer. In-fact I think one is on now.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

Jesus' presence in the Eucharist, real, spiritual, or not there at all?

The "Eucharist" almost seemed to be symbolic given they aren't actually consuming the body of the christ [as many Romans horrifying thought ergo generating cannibalism rumors]. I cannot really attest to him actually being there given I have never [and probably never will] participated in the Eucharist. I suppose I will leave it to the theologians of Christianity to give you that answer. In-fact I think one is on now.

The Catholic and Orthodox church says otherwise, they magically become the actual body and blood of Jesus.

[Dangelia]

Why did God as described in the Bible choose to punish all of mankind for something one of the first humans did?

The Eucharist is both symbolic and mystical. Also, the Eucharist in the Orthodox Church is understood to be the genuine Body and Blood of Christ, precisely because bread and wine are the mysteries and symbols of God's true and genuine presence and his manifestation to us in Christ. The mystery of the Holy Eucharist defies analysis and explanation in purely rational and logical terms. For the Eucharist, as Christ himself, is a mystery of the Kingdom of Heaven which, as Jesus has told us, is "not of this world." The Eucharist, because it belongs to God's Kingdom, is truly free from the earth-born "logic" of fallen humanity. From John of Damascus: "If you enquire how this happens, it is enough for you to learn that it is through the Holy Spirit ... we know nothing more than this, that the word of God is true, active, and omnipotent, but in its manner of operation unsearchable".

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Are we really debating if humans are related to bananas.

[Dangelia]

Are we really debating if humans are related to bananas.

This sentence almost defies all logic.

[Benuty]

Are we really debating if humans are related to bananas.

It was a jesting gesture [the fact is real], but it might explain why we like banana's so much......*horror* Cannibals!

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

Are we really debating if humans are related to bananas.

Go back far enough, all life is related to each other.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Are we really debating if humans are related to bananas.

It was a jesting gesture [the fact is real], but it might explain why we like banana's so much......*horror* Cannibals!

I'm allergic to bananas (though I eat them anyway, itchy back no big deal), what does that say about me?

[Sun Wukong]

It was a jesting gesture [the fact is real], but it might explain why we like banana's so much......*horror* Cannibals!

I'm allergic to bananas (though I eat them anyway, itchy back no big deal), what does that say about me?

You're a masochist.

[Bunkeranlage]

Guys, this is a thread about Christianity, not about bananas or masochism or whatnot.