Christian Discussion Thread IV

[Efraim-Judah]

Indeed!

GO YESHUA!

Ah, very interesting. I've not met very many Messianic Jews before.

We can be a haughty bunch. But I mean who wouldn't be since we are the only Believers in Messiah who stay in covenant.


I've also heard that we've been called Messy-anic Jews or Messy-antics before?

[Efraim-Judah]

Yes, I have. But not many in said denomination.

Messianics are Christians.

Christ = Messiah

Christ-ian

Messiah-ian

Christainic = Messianic

1 Corinthians 9:20
To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews.

Christianity is so pagan though. I refuse to be called 'Christian" due to its connotations. I am Messianic.

[The United Neptumousian Empire]

Ah, very interesting. I've not met very many Messianic Jews before.

You've met plenty of Christians.

Messianic Jews aren't really Christians. At least Efraim-Judah isn't one, he doesn't believe that Christ is the son of God.

[Efraim-Judah]

You've met plenty of Christians.

Messianic Jews aren't really Christians. At least Efraim-Judah isn't one, he doesn't believe that Christ is the son of God.

Yes I do. Messiah IS the Son of Elohim. He isn't God though. That is pagan.

[Menassa]

You've met plenty of Christians.

Messianic Jews aren't really Christians. At least Efraim-Judah isn't one, he doesn't believe that Christ is the son of God.

He is not your common Messianic I will admit that.

Messianics are Christians.

Christ = Messiah

Christ-ian

Messiah-ian

Christainic = Messianic

1 Corinthians 9:20
To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews.

Christianity is so pagan though. I refuse to be called 'Christian" due to its connotations. I am Messianic.

I'd call you Ebionite... but you can afford a computer.

[Menassa]

Messianic Jews aren't really Christians. At least Efraim-Judah isn't one, he doesn't believe that Christ is the son of God.

Yes I do. Messiah IS the Son of Elohim. He isn't God though. That is pagan.

We are all the children of God, that is why we call him father.

[The United Neptumousian Empire]

Messianic Jews aren't really Christians. At least Efraim-Judah isn't one, he doesn't believe that Christ is the son of God.

Yes I do. Messiah IS the Son of Elohim. He isn't God though. That is pagan.

So He is the son of God, but is not God?

How exactly does that work? What do you really believe about Jesus then?

And could you explain it using words people that don't know Hebrew understand?

[Menassa]

Yes I do. Messiah IS the Son of Elohim. He isn't God though. That is pagan.

So He is the son of God, but is not God?

How exactly does that work? What do you really believe about Jesus then?

And could you explain it using words people that don't know Hebrew understand?

Elohim means God.

Or Judge

Or Angel

or gods.

[Efraim-Judah]

Messianic Jews aren't really Christians. At least Efraim-Judah isn't one, he doesn't believe that Christ is the son of God.

He is not your common Messianic I will admit that.

Christianity is so pagan though. I refuse to be called 'Christian" due to its connotations. I am Messianic.

I'd call you Ebionite... but you can afford a computer.

I don't consider myself uncommon, because I live in a community of like minded believers.
Neo-Ebionite might be a proper label.

[Menassa]

He is not your common Messianic I will admit that.


I'd call you Ebionite... but you can afford a computer.

I don't consider myself uncommon, because I live in a community of like minded believers.
Neo-Ebionite might be a proper label.

Yes but I mean relatively to the core Messianic community.

[Efraim-Judah]

So He is the son of God, but is not God?

How exactly does that work? What do you really believe about Jesus then?

And could you explain it using words people that don't know Hebrew understand?

Elohim means God.

Or Judge

Or Angel

or gods.

And when the Pharisees condemned him for calling himself the son of Elohim, he basically said they were hypocrites because they called themselves Elohim (Judges). The Messiah was a crafty one.

[Wintanceastre]

Yes, I have. But not many in said denomination.

Messianics are Christians.

Christ = Messiah

Christ-ian

Messiah-ian

Christainic = Messianic

1 Corinthians 9:20
To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews.

Yes, I know Menassa. I'm just saying I've not met many Messianics, they're not the largest of denominations. (By the way, it's been a while since we've spoken!)

[Efraim-Judah]

I don't consider myself uncommon, because I live in a community of like minded believers.
Neo-Ebionite might be a proper label.

Yes but I mean relatively to the core Messianic community.

I have not dialouged with the greater Messianic Community apart from Jews 4 Jesus, whom I do not like.

[Menassa]

Yes but I mean relatively to the core Messianic community.

I have not dialouged with the greater Messianic Community apart from Jews 4 Jesus, whom I do not like.

They are the greater Messianic Community.

Messianics are Christians.

Christ = Messiah

Christ-ian

Messiah-ian

Christainic = Messianic

1 Corinthians 9:20
To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews.

Yes, I know Menassa. I'm just saying I've not met many Messianics, they're not the largest of denominations. (By the way, it's been a while since we've spoken!)

Indeed it has, so long, I've forgotten when we last spoke.

Did you go by a different name?

[Wintanceastre]

I have not dialouged with the greater Messianic Community apart from Jews 4 Jesus, whom I do not like.

They are the greater Messianic Community.

Yes, I know Menassa. I'm just saying I've not met many Messianics, they're not the largest of denominations. (By the way, it's been a while since we've spoken!)

Indeed it has, so long, I've forgotten when we last spoke.

Did you go by a different name?

Yes, i'm Cill Airne. I've decided I don't like the name Cill Airne anymore, so Wintanceastre was born.

[Menassa]

They are the greater Messianic Community.


Indeed it has, so long, I've forgotten when we last spoke.

Did you go by a different name?

Yes, i'm Cill Airne. I've decided I don't like the name Cill Airne anymore, so Wintanceastre was born.

Ah, I was wondering where you had run off to the other day.

Pleasure to have you back.

[Efraim-Judah]

I have not dialouged with the greater Messianic Community apart from Jews 4 Jesus, whom I do not like.

They are the greater Messianic Community.

Yes, I know Menassa. I'm just saying I've not met many Messianics, they're not the largest of denominations. (By the way, it's been a while since we've spoken!)

Indeed it has, so long, I've forgotten when we last spoke.

Did you go by a different name?

I know there are many others apart from Jews 4 Jesus.

[Efraim-Judah]

Messianics are Christians.

Christ = Messiah

Christ-ian

Messiah-ian

Christainic = Messianic

1 Corinthians 9:20
To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews.

Yes, I know Menassa. I'm just saying I've not met many Messianics, they're not the largest of denominations. (By the way, it's been a while since we've spoken!)

We aren't a denomination. We are a nation.

[Menassa]

They are the greater Messianic Community.


Indeed it has, so long, I've forgotten when we last spoke.

Did you go by a different name?

I know there are many others apart from Jews 4 Jesus.

However they get the main label.

[Wintanceastre]

Yes, i'm Cill Airne. I've decided I don't like the name Cill Airne anymore, so Wintanceastre was born.

Ah, I was wondering where you had run off to the other day.

Pleasure to have you back.

I've been a bit busy the past few months, so I haven't posted nearly as much as i'd like. But I'm back for now.

[Menassa]

Ah, I was wondering where you had run off to the other day.

Pleasure to have you back.

I've been a bit busy the past few months, so I haven't posted nearly as much as i'd like. But I'm back for now.

Great to have you back

[Efraim-Judah]

I know there are many others apart from Jews 4 Jesus.

However they get the main label.

I don't like them.

There was this 2 House lady that came by not to long ago, she was basically a hippie.

[Busen]

Selective cherry-picking of my posts to facilitate rhetorical strawman grandstanding is hardly likely to impress me.

My thoughts on the development of monarchical episcopacy and the apostolic succession in early Christianity are outlined in other posts in this thread. If you want to know what I actually think, a quick search for 'Clement' and/or 'Ignatius' should point you in the right direction.

To be fair I search for your post and frankly it is not neither impressive nor it does not counter anything whatsoever that the Catholic Church is the only true Christian church and that the Pope is the only legitimate leader.

[The Archregimancy]

Selective cherry-picking of my posts to facilitate rhetorical strawman grandstanding is hardly likely to impress me.

My thoughts on the development of monarchical episcopacy and the apostolic succession in early Christianity are outlined in other posts in this thread. If you want to know what I actually think, a quick search for 'Clement' and/or 'Ignatius' should point you in the right direction.

To be fair I search for your post and frankly it is not neither impressive nor it does not counter anything whatsoever that the Catholic Church is the only true Christian church and that the Pope is the only legitimate leader.

Well then, given your apparently much more impressive knowledge of the relevant historical issues, you won't have any problem countering my post point by point so we can understand your objections to my argument.

I'm sure we all await your learned analysis with considerable anticipation.

[Busen]

There is no such thing in the Bible. What Jesus said to Peter was "I will build My Church [upon you]".

That can be interpreted in several different ways. It certainly does not have to mean "I am giving you the right to codify dogmas, and this will get passed down to your successors in Rome, but not to your other successors ordained in other places." It's not quite so... precise, you know?

Ok, yes there is a point that you said but surely Jesus gave Peter some leadership in leading the Church. The main problem with this is that Peter has established two Churches. The one in Rome and the second in Antioch. Unfortunately, the Church in Antioch was conquered by arabs/muslims so this let only the Roman Chuurch as the main candidate.