Christian Discussion Thread IV

[Luminesa]

Because when I invite someone to look up one of my own posts, they tend to be reasonably long, well-researched, and clearly written, and likely contain at least some details of interest to the individual concerned.

Whereas you typically write short, badly researched and poorly written posts that aren't really worth wasting anyone's time with.

Well, you asked....

Oh, go Saint Nick on his Arius ass!

Oh wow. That escalated quickly.

Don't think ya'll need to go that far. Even if St. Nick is awesome.

[The Creepoc Infinite]

i may be missing context, but i think it comes off as lazy on your part to just tell someone to look up something on their own to figure out about it.

people certainly act that way when I do it.
so why not you?

Because when I invite someone to look up one of my own posts, they tend to be reasonably long, well-researched, and clearly written, and likely contain at least some details of interest to the individual concerned.

Whereas you typically write short, badly researched and poorly written posts that aren't really worth wasting anyone's time with.

Well, you asked....

lol that's nice

[Menassa]

Because when I invite someone to look up one of my own posts, they tend to be reasonably long, well-researched, and clearly written, and likely contain at least some details of interest to the individual concerned.

Whereas you typically write short, badly researched and poorly written posts that aren't really worth wasting anyone's time with.

Well, you asked....

lol that's nice

I think like... you were supposed to take a lesson from Arch's post.

Or were you? I could be misunderstanding it.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

None of this addresses the question. I'm asking why and you're trying to argue why not?

I was merely pointing out the consequences of it not being so. Arguing Catholic Dogma against a Catholic seems pointless to me, given that it was explicitly stated in the Dei Verbum.

The question is not that Bible is authoritative or whether it is divinely inspired, but whether it is the sole source of authority.

And I didn't ask a Catholic now did I?

[Czechanada]

Because when I invite someone to look up one of my own posts, they tend to be reasonably long, well-researched, and clearly written, and likely contain at least some details of interest to the individual concerned.

Whereas you typically write short, badly researched and poorly written posts that aren't really worth wasting anyone's time with.

Well, you asked....

lol that's nice

Let me inform of you the secret technique to looking knowledgeable. Only speak on things that you are full qualified to speak on. That way, you will only being saying things that look well-developed, intelligent, and fully-researched.

I for example, know very little about Christianity, which is why my posts in this thread are restricted to cursory questions and silly attempts at humour. Consequently, I would look wholly incompetent if I were to make a statement on the theology of Syriac Christianity. Accordingly, If posters like Archy, Constantinopolis, and other such posters who are extremely knowledgeable about Christianity were to attempt to speak on one of my fields of expertise, like social theory, they would appear as inexperienced as a serving girl from Sussex attempting to discuss the matter.

[Luminesa]

lol that's nice

Let me inform of you the secret technique to looking knowledgeable. Only speak on things that you are full qualified to speak on. That way, you will only being saying things that look well-developed, intelligent, and fully-researched.

I for example, know very little about Christianity, which is why my posts in this thread are restricted to cursory questions and silly attempts at humour. Consequently, I would look wholly incompetent if I were to make a statement on the theology of Syriac Christianity. Accordingly, If posters like Archy, Constantinopolis, and other such posters who are extremely knowledgeable about Christianity were to attempt to speak on one of my fields of expertise, like social theory, they would appear as inexperienced as a serving girl from Sussex attempting to discuss the matter.

Or if I were to try and talk about physics. I would look like an idiot.

[Constantinopolis]

Well, according to the Bible Jesus personally gave the first Pope the right to codify dogmas.

There is no such thing in the Bible. What Jesus said to Peter was "I will build My Church [upon you]".

That can be interpreted in several different ways. It certainly does not have to mean "I am giving you the right to codify dogmas, and this will get passed down to your successors in Rome, but not to your other successors ordained in other places." It's not quite so... precise, you know?

[Wintanceastre]

None of this addresses the question. I'm asking why and you're trying to argue why not?

I was merely pointing out the consequences of it not being so. Arguing Catholic Dogma against a Catholic seems pointless to me, given that it was explicitly stated in the Dei Verbum.

The question is not that Bible is authoritative or whether it is divinely inspired, but whether it is the sole source of authority.

Kind of off topic, while not really off-topic... Sola scriptura is something that interests me quite a lot. And the reason for this, is as an Anglican I do not personally support the ideology. I do not believe sola scriptura is biblical, and I do believe in the tradition of... Well, traditions and oral teachings. But, I've ran into many, many, many Episcopalians stateside, who do support sola scriptura; and I think that goes to show how American Evangelicalism can really seep into other church traditions.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Well, according to the Bible Jesus personally gave the first Pope the right to codify dogmas.

There is no such thing in the Bible. What Jesus said to Peter was "I will build My Church [upon you]".

That can be interpreted in several different ways. It certainly does not have to mean "I am giving you the right to codify dogmas, and this will get passed down to your successors in Rome, but not to your other successors ordained in other places." It's not quite so... precise, you know?

That's not the the verse.


IT depends on the significance of the keys, whether you think that it gives peter a special authority withheld from the others, or at least in greater significance than the others.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

I was merely pointing out the consequences of it not being so. Arguing Catholic Dogma against a Catholic seems pointless to me, given that it was explicitly stated in the Dei Verbum.

The question is not that Bible is authoritative or whether it is divinely inspired, but whether it is the sole source of authority.

Kind of off topic, while not really off-topic... Sola scriptura is something that interests me quite a lot. And the reason for this, is as an Anglican I do not personally support the ideology. I do not believe sola scriptura is biblical, and I do believe in the tradition of... Well, traditions and oral teachings. But, I've ran into many, many, many Episcopalians stateside, who do support sola scriptura; and I think that goes to show how American Evangelicalism can really seep into other church traditions.

Problem is that Protestantism is so ingrained into the American Ethos.

[Wintanceastre]

Kind of off topic, while not really off-topic... Sola scriptura is something that interests me quite a lot. And the reason for this, is as an Anglican I do not personally support the ideology. I do not believe sola scriptura is biblical, and I do believe in the tradition of... Well, traditions and oral teachings. But, I've ran into many, many, many Episcopalians stateside, who do support sola scriptura; and I think that goes to show how American Evangelicalism can really seep into other church traditions.

Problem is that Protestantism is so ingrained into the American Ethos.

True; and in my experience those who come to the Episcopal Church in the United States are either "escaping" more conservative Christian traditions, or they're bringing with them beliefs from their previous denomination that they did not find in the Episcopal Church - resulting in the rise of sola scriptura in the Episcopal Church when it isn't found in other Anglican Churches around the world. But again, thats one of the things that I find so appealing of the Anglican Communion, the diversity one can find within it.

[The Archregimancy]

Oh, go Saint Nick on his Arius ass!

My Orthodox name saint is Alexander of Constantinople; what he's said to have done to Arius via the medium of prayer was ultimately far more effective than what Nicholas of Myra is said to have done via the medium of his fist.

And - according to Socrates Scholasticus - a bit messier too, it has to be said.

But Menassa was right; I was sort of hoping that Creepoc would take the hint - though perhaps I might have phrased the point slightly less acerbically.

[Aelex]

Because when I invite someone to look up one of my own posts, they tend to be reasonably long, well-researched, and clearly written, and likely contain at least some details of interest to the individual concerned.

Whereas you typically write short, badly researched and poorly written posts that aren't really worth wasting anyone's time with.

Well, you asked....

I know what you sayed was right...But still...

[Murkwood]

Oh, go Saint Nick on his Arius ass!

My Orthodox name saint is Alexander of Constantinople; what he's said to have done to Arius via the medium of prayer was ultimately far more effective than what Nicholas of Myra is said to have done via the medium of his fist.

And - according to Socrates Scholasticus - a bit messier too, it has to be said.

But Menassa was right; I was sort of hoping that Creepoc would take the hint - though perhaps I might have phrased the point slightly less acerbically.

"Orthodox name saint". First time I've heard of that. Is it like a Confirmation name? If so, it's a good choice.

[Wintanceastre]

My Orthodox name saint is Alexander of Constantinople; what he's said to have done to Arius via the medium of prayer was ultimately far more effective than what Nicholas of Myra is said to have done via the medium of his fist.

And - according to Socrates Scholasticus - a bit messier too, it has to be said.

But Menassa was right; I was sort of hoping that Creepoc would take the hint - though perhaps I might have phrased the point slightly less acerbically.

"Orthodox name saint". First time I've heard of that. Is it like a Confirmation name? If so, it's a good choice.

From what I understand, and Arch would be a better authority on it than me, you are correct. Upon baptism, a Saint's name is taken on in the Orthodox Church. Much like in the Catholic and Anglican churches where one takes on a confirmation name. I chose that of St. Francis de Sales, patron of writers.

[Murkwood]

"Orthodox name saint". First time I've heard of that. Is it like a Confirmation name? If so, it's a good choice.

From what I understand, and Arch would be a better authority on it than me, you are correct. Upon baptism, a Saint's name is taken on in the Orthodox Church. Much like in the Catholic and Anglican churches where one takes on a confirmation name. I chose that of St. Francis de Sales, patron of writers.

That's a good choice.

I chose St. Isidore of Seville. I always found his story interesting.

[Wintanceastre]

From what I understand, and Arch would be a better authority on it than me, you are correct. Upon baptism, a Saint's name is taken on in the Orthodox Church. Much like in the Catholic and Anglican churches where one takes on a confirmation name. I chose that of St. Francis de Sales, patron of writers.

That's a good choice.

I chose St. Isidore of Seville. I always found his story interesting.

Ah, i'm not familiar with him. I don't believe he's venerated in the Anglican Communion. I'll have to look into his story!

I find many of the saints stories to be fascinating, and often inspiring.

[The Alexanderians]

From what I understand, and Arch would be a better authority on it than me, you are correct. Upon baptism, a Saint's name is taken on in the Orthodox Church. Much like in the Catholic and Anglican churches where one takes on a confirmation name. I chose that of St. Francis de Sales, patron of writers.

That's a good choice.

I chose St. Isidore of Seville. I always found his story interesting.

My name day was on Jan 30th, the Three Theologians...Guess I've got a religious version of dissociative personality disorder

[Untaroicht]

This is atrociously absurd

[Constantinopolis]

This is atrociously absurd

Copyright in general is atrociously absurd.

And, of course, YouTube's approach to copyright is "guilty until proven innocent". Anyone can make a copyright claim against any video, and YouTube will mute it or remove it, unless the person who uploaded the video can prove that he did NOT violate some copyright.

[Untaroicht]

This is atrociously absurd

Copyright in general is atrociously absurd.

And, of course, YouTube's approach to copyright is "guilty until proven innocent". Anyone can make a copyright claim against any video, and YouTube will mute it or remove it, unless the person who uploaded the video can prove that he did NOT violate some copyright.

I would be really concerned if some corporate pencil-pusher at YouTube actually considers the Byzantine Rite songs of the Divine Liturgy to be copyright protected. I mean, really? George Romero's Dawn of the Dead is in the public domain now, but these hymns written during the Macedonian Renaissance aren't?

It's almost downright sinful to completely mute and censor this holy music over something as materialistically trivial as a copyright claim.

[Conscentia]

Copyright in general is atrociously absurd.

And, of course, YouTube's approach to copyright is "guilty until proven innocent". Anyone can make a copyright claim against any video, and YouTube will mute it or remove it, unless the person who uploaded the video can prove that he did NOT violate some copyright.

I would be really concerned if some corporate pencil-pusher at YouTube actually considers the Byzantine Rite songs of the Divine Liturgy to be copyright protected. I mean, really? George Romero's Dawn of the Dead is in the public domain now, but these hymns written during the Macedonian Renaissance aren't?

It's almost downright sinful to completely mute and censor this holy music over something as materialistically trivial as a copyright claim.

The people at YT don't check copyright. They just respond to people making complaints about copyright violation. Someone must've told them it wasn't in the public domain.

[Constantinopolis]

Also, I'd be really surprised if corporate pencil-pushers at YouTube even know what the words "Byzantine" or "Divine Liturgy" mean. Their job is to care about the company bottom line, and nothing else.

[Confederate Ramenia]

Also, I'd be really surprised if corporate pencil-pushers at YouTube even know what the words "Byzantine" or "Divine Liturgy" mean. Their job is to care about the company bottom line, and nothing else.

They probably didn't even see those words there, given how large of a corporation google is.

[Salus Maior]

This is atrociously absurd

Jesus claimed a copyright?