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Postby Alexanda » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:33 am

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Alexanda wrote:I would have thought riding was an important activity to other schools.

At some state schools, the pupils have never even seen a real horse.

Surely that isn't true?!
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Postby Zottistan » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:37 am

Alexanda wrote:
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You think horse riding is common in schools?

Quite.

It really isn't.
Alexanda wrote:
Prizea wrote:At some state schools, the pupils have never even seen a real horse.

Surely that isn't true?!

In poorer city schools, sure.
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Postby Kernen » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:59 am

Alexanda wrote:Surely that isn't true?!

I'm starting to wonder if your naïveté is genuine, and you really haven't had a real look at lower and lower-middle class life, or if it's meant as satire. If you live in a city and don't get the chance to travel, it's not surprising. Just like the disadvantaged who live in the tropics likely haven't see snow, or people in the US Great Plains don't see the ocean.
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Postby Alexanda » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:06 am

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Alexanda wrote:Surely that isn't true?!

I'm starting to wonder if your naïveté is genuine, and you really haven't had a real look at lower and lower-middle class life, or if it's meant as satire. If you live in a city and don't get the chance to travel, it's not surprising. Just like the disadvantaged who live in the tropics likely haven't see snow, or people in the US Great Plains don't see the ocean.

But not seeing a real horse?
Isn't that quite far?
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Postby Kernen » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:14 am

Alexanda wrote:But not seeing a real horse?
Isn't that quite far?

How? Horses require a fair amount of space, a premium in urban areas, so they are generally found away from them, and we already covered how traveling costs munnies. They are expensive as hell and require a fair amount of specialization to train/maintain/etc, and they have no practical use outside of recreation, so you won't find them on the streets or the local park outside of some very specific circumstances. Unless you were regularly exposed to farms, where exactly would you see one?
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Postby Alexanda » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:21 am

Kernen wrote:
Alexanda wrote:But not seeing a real horse?
Isn't that quite far?

How? Horses require a fair amount of space, a premium in urban areas, so they are generally found away from them, and we already covered how traveling costs munnies. They are expensive as hell and require a fair amount of specialization to train/maintain/etc, and they have no practical use outside of recreation, so you won't find them on the streets or the local park outside of some very specific circumstances. Unless you were regularly exposed to farms, where exactly would you see one?

Often in farms, in (an apparently limited) amount of schools, on the outskirts of the city.
But surely children can see horses, no matter their class? Even if one rarely leaves the city, one must see horses on school trips and things like that.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:22 am

Alexanda wrote:
Kernen wrote:How? Horses require a fair amount of space, a premium in urban areas, so they are generally found away from them, and we already covered how traveling costs munnies. They are expensive as hell and require a fair amount of specialization to train/maintain/etc, and they have no practical use outside of recreation, so you won't find them on the streets or the local park outside of some very specific circumstances. Unless you were regularly exposed to farms, where exactly would you see one?

Often in farms, in (an apparently limited) amount of schools, on the outskirts of the city.
But surely children can see horses, no matter their class? Even if one rarely leaves the city, one must see horses on school trips and things like that.


Poor city kid here, I've never seen a horse in my life.
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Postby Alexanda » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:27 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Alexanda wrote:Often in farms, in (an apparently limited) amount of schools, on the outskirts of the city.
But surely children can see horses, no matter their class? Even if one rarely leaves the city, one must see horses on school trips and things like that.


Poor city kid here, I've never seen a horse in my life.

Really?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:30 am

Alexanda wrote:
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Poor city kid here, I've never seen a horse in my life.

Really?


Nope, no one in the city has space or a purpose for them and the only school trips we ever went on were to the zoo and a science museum.
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Postby Kernen » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:32 am

Alexanda wrote:Often in farms, in (an apparently limited) amount of schools, on the outskirts of the city.
But surely children can see horses, no matter their class? Even if one rarely leaves the city, one must see horses on school trips and things like that.


Farms don't like to be on the outskirts of a city, they like to be well away from them when possible. Number of reasons for that.

Trips to a farm? Lemme play devils advocate, because I don't necessarily disagree, but I can see both sides: What educational and economic value is there to that compared to much closer museums, aquariums, monuments, public offices, etc? Programs to get city kids exposed to the natural world are focused on park areas, because such areas are public and free to access. And many of these trips are in-line with the curriculum. History trips may take you to a battlefield, civics to a government office, biology and ecology to a natural area, etc. Farms may fit into a vocational tech class, but even then, the focus is on farms that produce something of value: cattle, crops, etc. It's just a matter of relevance and economy. Horses aren't important.
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Postby Alexanda » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:33 am

But surely everybody has seen a horse?
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:36 am

Alexanda wrote:But surely everybody has seen a horse?


I've seen a horse, but of course I grew up in a place where they are still used as a method of transportation (Rural El Salvador, yea).

I don't think many people have seen a horse from up close.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:36 am

Alexanda wrote:But surely everybody has seen a horse?


I've never seen one in person.
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Postby Kernen » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:36 am

Alexanda wrote:But surely everybody has seen a horse?

At this point, you're just being deliberately obtuse. People have said they haven't.
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Postby Alexanda » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:37 am

Kernen wrote:
Alexanda wrote:But surely everybody has seen a horse?

At this point, you're just being deliberately obtuse. People have said they haven't.

A horse is a horse. Horses are some of the most natural things in the country. People must have seen them.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:38 am

Alexanda wrote:
Kernen wrote:At this point, you're just being deliberately obtuse. People have said they haven't.

A horse is a horse. Horses are some of the most natural things in the country. People must have seen them.


You just said it: the country.

Not many people live in the country, contrary to belief.
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Postby Voltrovia » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:38 am

Alexanda wrote:But surely everybody has seen a horse?


Whether you like it or not, not everyone in the cities has seen a horse, as evidenced by some of the responses above. Whether school pupils in cities should see horses in the course of their education is a separate and somewhat inane question.
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Postby Kernen » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:45 am

Alexanda wrote:A horse is a horse. Horses are some of the most natural things in the country. People must have seen them.

Not really. They aren't roaming wild in most places, they are a domestic animal with little utilitarian purpose. Cows and deer are far more natural, depending on your idea of "natural".
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Postby Alexanda » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:47 am

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Alexanda wrote:A horse is a horse. Horses are some of the most natural things in the country. People must have seen them.


You just said it: the country.

Not many people live in the country, contrary to belief.

The country as in nation.
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Postby Alexanda » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:48 am

How awful that disadvantaged children haven't seen something as simple as a horse.
It seems frightful that some schools do not engage in enriching activities such as going to farms or to the countryside to witness wildlife, farm animals and horses.
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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:49 am

Alexanda wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
You just said it: the country.

Not many people live in the country, contrary to belief.

The country as in nation.


A horse is not something one would even have near a school, let alone having an equestrian club. Next, you'll be telling us that they use these horses and a bunch of hounds to hunt foxes every so often.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:49 am

Alexanda wrote:How awful that disadvantaged children haven't seen something as simple as a horse.
It seems frightful that some schools do not engage in enriching activities such as going to farms or to the countryside to witness wildlife, farm animals and horses.


There's nothing enriching about going to a farm, or the countryside.
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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:50 am

Alexanda wrote:How awful that disadvantaged children haven't seen something as simple as a horse.
It seems frightful that some schools do not engage in enriching activities such as going to farms or to the countryside to witness wildlife, farm animals and horses.


Its appalling that the school would divert time from its purpose (education) so kids can go to the farm where they can be bored by all the barnyard animals.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:55 am

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Alexanda wrote:How awful that disadvantaged children haven't seen something as simple as a horse.
It seems frightful that some schools do not engage in enriching activities such as going to farms or to the countryside to witness wildlife, farm animals and horses.


Its appalling that the school would divert time from its purpose (education) so kids can go to the farm where they can be bored by all the barnyard animals.


Don't. Remind me.

Last time I went to a farm it was at around August of 2011 with my parents for some sprinkler work.

You can tell I wasn't happy, but I got a nice tan on my upper body.
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Postby Alexanda » Wed Jul 02, 2014 10:01 am

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Alexanda wrote:The country as in nation.


A horse is not something one would even have near a school, let alone having an equestrian club. Next, you'll be telling us that they use these horses and a bunch of hounds to hunt foxes every so often.

Well, there are horses in my schools, and few others that I know of.
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