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Postby Alexanda » Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:11 am

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Alexanda wrote:But schools are protected today: They have CCTV, emergency buttons, police officers, regulations, patrols... All manner of things to keep the students safe from harm.


Or to keep students from ever leaving........

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Pupils aren't going to attempt to escape the school unless they are seriously badly behaved.
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Postby Zottistan » Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:14 am

Alexanda wrote:But schools are protected today: They have CCTV, emergency buttons, police officers, regulations, patrols... All manner of things to keep the students safe from harm.

The CCTV is rarely checked, except in hindsight when something has already happened. I can't speak with certainty for the US, but police officers, patrols and emergency buttons seem very unlikely.

And anyway, the main problem is that the kids who do the really dangerous stuff to others, stuff involving knives and the like, don't particularly care about being caught. At least not in the moment when they're actually doing the act.
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Postby Kernen » Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:14 am

Alexanda wrote:
Kiruri wrote:
Or to keep students from ever leaving........

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Pupils aren't going to attempt to escape the school unless they are seriously badly behaved.

Again, not true. I left the grounds all the time, and my record was spotless. In fact, being a "good kid" meant I could break rules all the easier.
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Postby Alexanda » Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:16 am

Zottistan wrote:
Alexanda wrote:But schools are protected today: They have CCTV, emergency buttons, police officers, regulations, patrols... All manner of things to keep the students safe from harm.

The CCTV is rarely checked, except in hindsight when something has already happened. I can't speak with certainty for the US, but police officers, patrols and emergency buttons seem very unlikely.

And anyway, the main problem is that the kids who do the really dangerous stuff to others, stuff involving knives and the like, don't particularly care about being caught. At least not in the moment when they're actually doing the act.

Well, many British schools have these sorts of things to protect the school and its pupils.
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Postby Torisakia » Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:18 am

Alexanda wrote:
Zottistan wrote:The CCTV is rarely checked, except in hindsight when something has already happened. I can't speak with certainty for the US, but police officers, patrols and emergency buttons seem very unlikely.

And anyway, the main problem is that the kids who do the really dangerous stuff to others, stuff involving knives and the like, don't particularly care about being caught. At least not in the moment when they're actually doing the act.

Well, many British schools have these sorts of things to protect the school and its pupils.

Just because British schools have them doesn't mean schools all around the world do.
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Postby Alexanda » Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:19 am

Torisakia wrote:
Alexanda wrote:Well, many British schools have these sorts of things to protect the school and its pupils.

Just because British schools have them doesn't mean schools all around the world do.

I didn't say that they did.
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Postby Kernen » Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:20 am

Alexanda wrote:
Zottistan wrote:The CCTV is rarely checked, except in hindsight when something has already happened. I can't speak with certainty for the US, but police officers, patrols and emergency buttons seem very unlikely.

And anyway, the main problem is that the kids who do the really dangerous stuff to others, stuff involving knives and the like, don't particularly care about being caught. At least not in the moment when they're actually doing the act.

Well, many British schools have these sorts of things to protect the school and its pupils.

So do we. When seconds count, help is often minutes away.
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Postby Torisakia » Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:20 am

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Torisakia wrote:Just because British schools have them doesn't mean schools all around the world do.

I didn't say that they did.

I know. I was just saying that not all schools have good methods of keeping their students safe.
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Postby Alexanda » Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:21 am

Kernen wrote:
Alexanda wrote:Well, many British schools have these sorts of things to protect the school and its pupils.

So do we. When seconds count, help is often minutes away.

Exactly.
CCTV monitors all major areas of the school, police officers guard the gates, security guard patrols constantly move across the campus...
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Postby Kiruri » Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:22 am

Kernen wrote:
Alexanda wrote:Pupils aren't going to attempt to escape the school unless they are seriously badly behaved.

Again, not true. I left the grounds all the time, and my record was spotless. In fact, being a "good kid" meant I could break rules all the easier.


This is so true. In my case, even when I did get punished I got off easy :p
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Postby Torisakia » Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:25 am

Alexanda wrote:
Kernen wrote:So do we. When seconds count, help is often minutes away.

Exactly.
CCTV monitors all major areas of the school, police officers guard the gates, security guard patrols constantly move across the campus...

My school doesn't have gates, and only has one police officer. :blink:
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Postby Kernen » Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:26 am

Alexanda wrote:
Kernen wrote:So do we. When seconds count, help is often minutes away.

Exactly.
CCTV monitors all major areas of the school, police officers guard the gates, security guard patrols constantly move across the campus...

You miss the point. When seconds count, help cannot respond faster then a matter of minutes. After the deed has been done. All that security stops very very little. It focuses on the "mass shooter" threat, not the one kid with a bone to pick.

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Kernen wrote:Again, not true. I left the grounds all the time, and my record was spotless. In fact, being a "good kid" meant I could break rules all the easier.


This is so true. In my case, even when I did get punished I got off easy :p


And I bet $50 whatever you did instead served you better in your world view then siting at a snot smeared desk listening to a teacher explain the Civil War incorrectly.
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Postby Communal Ecotopia » Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:29 am

Alexanda wrote:
Kernen wrote:Physically beaten. Punched, kicked, elbowed, head smacked into locker doors, etc. Middle school was a rough time, and high school didn't get much better. And that was a dinky rural school.

I'm not saying my life was threatened, but it fits the description of assault.

I don't think that sort of thing really happens anymore.
One goes to school to learn, and the established authorities there look after the students.


I saw assault on a teacher with a phone once. She was bleeding profusely, but I don't remember anything broken.
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Postby Communal Ecotopia » Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:31 am

Zottistan wrote:
Alexanda wrote:But schools are protected today: They have CCTV, emergency buttons, police officers, regulations, patrols... All manner of things to keep the students safe from harm.

The CCTV is rarely checked, except in hindsight when something has already happened. I can't speak with certainty for the US, but police officers, patrols and emergency buttons seem very unlikely.

And anyway, the main problem is that the kids who do the really dangerous stuff to others, stuff involving knives and the like, don't particularly care about being caught. At least not in the moment when they're actually doing the act.


We had emergency lockdown but no patrols nor police officers, but it WAS a small school.
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Postby Alexanda » Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:33 am

Communal Ecotopia wrote:
Zottistan wrote:The CCTV is rarely checked, except in hindsight when something has already happened. I can't speak with certainty for the US, but police officers, patrols and emergency buttons seem very unlikely.

And anyway, the main problem is that the kids who do the really dangerous stuff to others, stuff involving knives and the like, don't particularly care about being caught. At least not in the moment when they're actually doing the act.


We had emergency lockdown but no patrols nor police officers, but it WAS a small school.

How awful. I am glad something like that hasn't ever happened in my school.
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Postby Zottistan » Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:35 am

Alexanda wrote:
Zottistan wrote:The CCTV is rarely checked, except in hindsight when something has already happened. I can't speak with certainty for the US, but police officers, patrols and emergency buttons seem very unlikely.

And anyway, the main problem is that the kids who do the really dangerous stuff to others, stuff involving knives and the like, don't particularly care about being caught. At least not in the moment when they're actually doing the act.

Well, many British schools have these sorts of things to protect the school and its pupils.

I can't speak for British schools, either, not being British. But the most any school in my local area has is a CCTV system that's only checked in hindsight after an incident, and we have some pretty big schools.
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Postby Alexanda » Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:38 am

Zottistan wrote:
Alexanda wrote:Well, many British schools have these sorts of things to protect the school and its pupils.

I can't speak for British schools, either, not being British. But the most any school in my local area has is a CCTV system that's only checked in hindsight after an incident, and we have some pretty big schools.

Are they State-owned-schools?
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Postby Zottistan » Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:40 am

Alexanda wrote:
Zottistan wrote:I can't speak for British schools, either, not being British. But the most any school in my local area has is a CCTV system that's only checked in hindsight after an incident, and we have some pretty big schools.

Are they State-owned-schools?

Yes.
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Postby Alexanda » Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:41 am

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Alexanda wrote:Are they State-owned-schools?

Yes.

And what (if you do not mind my asking,) is your nationality?
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Postby Zottistan » Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:42 am

Alexanda wrote:
Zottistan wrote:Yes.

And what (if you do not mind my asking,) is your nationality?

I'm from the Republic of Ireland.
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Postby Britannic Realms » Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:44 am

The conversation is about violence in schools, right?

Well, I was educated in the country, and there was no shocking violence and no gang culture. In my five years there, there were all of five fights, that I can remember, and the most illegal thing someone brought in was cannabis. This type of violence that people go on about only seems to happen in the cities.
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Postby Alexanda » Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:45 am

Britannic Realms wrote:The conversation is about violence in schools, right?

Well, I was educated in the country, and there was no shocking violence and no gang culture. In my five years there, there were all of five fights, that I can remember, and the most illegal thing someone brought in was cannabis. This type of violence that people go on about only seems to happen in the cities.

Although I even doubt it happens in cities.
Regulations today are far too tight.
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Postby Britannic Realms » Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:47 am

Alexanda wrote:
Britannic Realms wrote:The conversation is about violence in schools, right?

Well, I was educated in the country, and there was no shocking violence and no gang culture. In my five years there, there were all of five fights, that I can remember, and the most illegal thing someone brought in was cannabis. This type of violence that people go on about only seems to happen in the cities.

Although I even doubt it happens in cities.
Regulations today are far too tight.


No, it does happen in cities. Didn't you hear about that teacher who was stabbed in school in Leeds?

There will always be violence in schools, regardless of how many regulations there are.
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Postby Torisakia » Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:47 am

Alexanda wrote:
Britannic Realms wrote:The conversation is about violence in schools, right?

Well, I was educated in the country, and there was no shocking violence and no gang culture. In my five years there, there were all of five fights, that I can remember, and the most illegal thing someone brought in was cannabis. This type of violence that people go on about only seems to happen in the cities.

Although I even doubt it happens in cities.
Regulations today are far too tight.

It happens, however. More often than you think.
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Postby Kernen » Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:48 am

Alexanda wrote:
Zottistan wrote:I can't speak for British schools, either, not being British. But the most any school in my local area has is a CCTV system that's only checked in hindsight after an incident, and we have some pretty big schools.

Are they State-owned-schools?

US schools are a weird mix of state agency with a lot of freedom left to the districts, and probably a dash of county control in there.

Alexanda wrote:
Britannic Realms wrote:The conversation is about violence in schools, right?

Well, I was educated in the country, and there was no shocking violence and no gang culture. In my five years there, there were all of five fights, that I can remember, and the most illegal thing someone brought in was cannabis. This type of violence that people go on about only seems to happen in the cities.

Although I even doubt it happens in cities.
Regulations today are far too tight.


Cities are the biggest offenders for violence in schools here. Gangs don't bother with farmland, all you get is the local brand of stupid. Which is still bad, but lacks organization.
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