Israel / Gaza / Hamas Mega-Thread

[Alyakia]

No, it hasn't. Ethnic-based bigotry is just that. Racism is something else entirely.

nah it kinda has i'm afraid

[Gauthier]

Old story that was discredited shortly after it was published. The women were at a women's health clinic and voluntarily received depoprovara shots, which is a short-term birth control that doesn't have to be taken daily, unlike the pill. No one was forced and no one was sterilized. What a joke.

Any evidence of what you say? Because all I can find is articles saying that it happened and was done without genuine consent.
Here's haaretz saying Israel admitted to the sterilization:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/is ... m-1.496519

Haaretz is the Jewish propaganda arm of Al-Jazeera, silly.

[Estrain (Ancient)]

Any evidence of what you say? Because all I can find is articles saying that it happened and was done without genuine consent.
Here's haaretz saying Israel admitted to the sterilization:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/is ... m-1.496519

Haaretz is the Jewish propaganda arm of Al-Jazeera, silly.

I hope you're being sarcastic.

[DogDoo 7]

blame the jews? these people are jews. I blame the European Borg-like Zionists *assimilate! assimilate!*

I'm have to ask: do you even know what zionism is?

it has meant different things to different people at different times. the one unifying feature has been jews living in the 'land of israel' and being able to freely actualize their jewish identity.
martin buber and hashomer hatzair (pre-48) thought that zionism could take place in a binational state, and saw no need for conflict with the arabs. Jabotinsky (and Ben Gurion) thought that actualized jewish identity meant political control over territory already populated by non-jews, and so inferred that zionism could only be realized through conflict and the eventual expulsion of enough non-jews so that the ones remaining would be too small to have any political influence in a 'democracy.'
this strain of zionism won, and then after 1948 once the political leadership of the state started nation-building, the ethos was to assimilate all of these strange brown jewish refugees into this socialist german workers paradise.

[Wind in the Willows]

And what about the innocent Palestinian that was murdered because of the Israelis going missing? The Palestinian in question had nothing to do with the kidnapping.

[Gauthier]

And what about the innocent Palestinian that was murdered because of the Israelis going missing? The Palestinian in question had nothing to do with the kidnapping.

He was Palestinian, which obviously is proof of guilt. *nod nod*

[Wind in the Willows]

And what about the innocent Palestinian that was murdered because of the Israelis going missing? The Palestinian in question had nothing to do with the kidnapping.

He was Palestinian, which obviously is proof of guilt. *nod nod*

Yeah, damn those criminal Palestinians!

[Rehansu Tir]

I'm have to ask: do you even know what zionism is?

it has meant different things to different people at different times. the one unifying feature has been jews living in the 'land of israel' and being able to freely actualize their jewish identity.
martin buber and hashomer hatzair (pre-48) thought that zionism could take place in a binational state, and saw no need for conflict with the arabs. Jabotinsky (and Ben Gurion) thought that actualized jewish identity meant political control over territory already populated by non-jews, and so inferred that zionism could only be realized through conflict and the eventual expulsion of enough non-jews so that the ones remaining would be too small to have any political influence in a 'democracy.'
this strain of zionism won, and then after 1948 once the political leadership of the state started nation-building, the ethos was to assimilate all of these strange brown jewish refugees into this socialist german workers paradise.

where did you copy and paste this from? the hamas website?

zionism is now and has been since it's inception in the late 1800s jewish ethnic nationalism and the desire for an ethnic jewish state. That is zionism. everything else is the personal or group philosophies of those you mentioned. But this is the underlying core of what zionism is, as conceived by Theodor Herzl.

[DogDoo 7]

it has meant different things to different people at different times. the one unifying feature has been jews living in the 'land of israel' and being able to freely actualize their jewish identity.
martin buber and hashomer hatzair (pre-48) thought that zionism could take place in a binational state, and saw no need for conflict with the arabs. Jabotinsky (and Ben Gurion) thought that actualized jewish identity meant political control over territory already populated by non-jews, and so inferred that zionism could only be realized through conflict and the eventual expulsion of enough non-jews so that the ones remaining would be too small to have any political influence in a 'democracy.'
this strain of zionism won, and then after 1948 once the political leadership of the state started nation-building, the ethos was to assimilate all of these strange brown jewish refugees into this socialist german workers paradise.

where did you copy and paste this from? the hamas website?

zionism is now and has been since it's inception in the late 1800s jewish ethnic nationalism and the desire for an ethnic jewish state. That is zionism. everything else is the personal or group philosophies of those you mentioned. But this is the underlying core of what zionism is, as conceived by Theodor Herzl.

Hertzl isn't the 'god' of zionism. he and martin buber had long heated arguments over whether a nation-state was required. obviously hertzl won. and then, once the state was created, zionism became about MAINTAINING the state. and the zionists in power were those 'socialist german worker' types, which was idealized in early zionist music and literature.

i don't think hamas has a terribly nuanced view of zionism, and to their great tragedy neglects the complex plight of the arab jews.

why do you think you know so much (and why do you care) about this conflict? both my parents are zionists and i fucking moved to haifa in order to agitate for change. what's your excuse?

[Viritica]

And what about the innocent Palestinian that was murdered because of the Israelis going missing? The Palestinian in question had nothing to do with the kidnapping.

He too is another innocent victim. Such a shame.

[DogDoo 7]

And what about the innocent Palestinian that was murdered because of the Israelis going missing? The Palestinian in question had nothing to do with the kidnapping.

He too is another innocent victim. Such a shame.

And Police have beaten his cousin and are now holding him without charge.
Warning: graphic video and images

Now, EVEN IF the kid was throwing stones, this sort of behavior by the police is NEVER acceptable. Sadly, this is all too routine in Jerusalem.

Here's a non EI source

[Scholmeria]

Isreal is to gentle to the Palestinian considering how the Arabs is killing innocent Jewish teenagers.

[Alyakia]

Isreal is to gentle to the Palestinian considering how the Arabs is killing innocent Jewish teenagers.

Palestan is gentle to the Isreal considering how Jews is killing innocent Arab teenagers.

[Scholmeria]

Isreal is to gentle to the Palestinian considering how the Arabs is killing innocent Jewish teenagers.

Palestan is gentle to the Isreal considering how Jews is killing innocent Arab teenagers.

That is not comparable. The Arab has provoked the attack and the Israelis are tolerant enough for letting Muslims to live in their country (Also Gaza and WB is Israeli land).

The Palestinians are in contrary to them bigoted and wont let Jewish immigrants to live with them.

[DogDoo 7]

Palestan is gentle to the Isreal considering how Jews is killing innocent Arab teenagers.

That is not comparable. The Arab has provoked the attack and the Israelis are tolerant enough for letting Muslims to live in their country (Also Gaza and WB is Israeli land).

Hooray! We're 'tolerant' for not committing genocide! How anti-semitic are you that you set the bar so low for the Jewish State(tm)?

The Palestinians are in contrary to them bigoted and wont let Jewish immigrants to live with them.

Hah. As a Jewish immigrant who lives with Palestinians I can categorically say that is completely untrue.

[Scholmeria]

Hooray! We're 'tolerant' for not committing genocide! How anti-semitic are you that you set the bar so low for the Jewish State(tm)?

Considering how the Arabs have expelled the Jews from their countries, I glorifyIsrael for not being on their level of savageness to do the same.

And guess what, for the liberals Israel is hated although they dont have the same criteria for the Arabs.

Hah. As a Jewish immigrant who lives with Palestinians I can categorically say that is completely untrue.

I have a friend who is a Jewish immigrant and he would not agree with you.

[Satanic Socialist States]

Support Israel or let the Arabs commit genocide. There really is nothing in between.

[Alyakia]

Support Israel or let the Arabs commit genocide. There really is nothing in between.

i hope you're not implying all arabs are genocidial

[Scholmeria]

Support Israel or let the Arabs commit genocide. There really is nothing in between.

If Isreal fells, so is the Western civilisation with it.

[Gravlen]

Palestan is gentle to the Isreal considering how Jews is killing innocent Arab teenagers.

That is not comparable. The Arab has provoked the attack and the Israelis are tolerant enough for letting Muslims to live in their country (Also Gaza and WB is Israeli land).

The Palestinians are in contrary to them bigoted and wont let Jewish immigrants to live with them.

I'm confused, do you think Muslims shouldn't enjoy basic human rights, or do you want to see the end of Israel as a Jewish state?

[Baltenstein]

Virtually nothing Scholmeria ever says (The Nazis were friends of the Slavs, Israel treats Palestinians with respect, Falklands rightfully belong to Argentina) is correct.

[Allentyr]

Virtually nothing Scholmeria ever says (The Nazis were friends of the Slavs, Israel treats Palestinians with respect, Falklands rightfully belong to Argentina) is correct.

*nods in agreement*

How the hell is not committing genocide "tolerant"? You romanticize them too much.

[Alyakia]

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeas ... 66184.html

Tel Aviv - An autopsy of a Palestinian teenager murdered this week in an apparent revenge attack suggests that he was burned alive, according to Palestinian officials.

The preliminary results showed that 16-year-old Mohammed Abu Khdair, who was buried by more than a thousand mourners on Friday, had a head wound and burns across 90 percent of his body, the officials said on Saturday.

He was abducted from the occupied East Jerusalem neighbourhood of Shuafat early on Wednesday morning, and his charred body was found hours later in a Jerusalem forest.

"The direct cause of the death is burns [caused] by fire, and their complications," Mohammed Abdel Ghani al-Owaiwi, the Palestinian Authority attorney general, said in a statement.

The autopsy found soot in his lungs, suggesting that Abu Khdair was still alive and breathing when he was set on fire, Owaiwi said.

Micky Rosenfeld, spokesman for the Israeli police, declined to comment on the autopsy, which was conducted on Thursday at the Abu Kabir forensic institute in Tel Aviv.

A Palestinian coroner, the director of forensic medicine at Al-Quds University, took part in the inquest.

Police have not officially identified a motive for the murder, but it is widely believed that Abu Khdair was killed by Israeli Jews, an act of revenge for the murder of three teenage settlers whose bodies were found on Monday.

The Hyundai sedan used to kidnap Abu Khdair was used in the attempted abduction of another Palestinian child one day earlier, Channel 10 reported this week.

His funeral on Friday ended violently, when mourners tried to pass through a line of Israeli border police blocking the road to central Jerusalem.

They threw stones and firecrackers at the police, who responded with tear gas and rubber-coated bullets.

The Red Crescent said 73 Palestinians were hurt, and Rosenfeld said 13 officers were lightly wounded.

The clashes continued on Friday night in several East Jerusalem neighbourhoods, and also in several majority-Palestinian cities in central Israel.

In Qalansuwa, northeast of Tel Aviv, there was one report of a Jewish man dragged out of his car by masked Palestinians.

The man was unharmed, but his vehicle was torched.

Photos of Abu Khdair's 15-year-old cousin, Tariq Abu Khdair, who was allegedly beaten while in Israeli police custody, circulated on social media on Friday. Tariq is believed to be still in custody.

A growing number of videos posted on social media show assaults across the country: in one, posted on Wednesday, a passenger on a bus tries to attack a Palestinian, then assaults the soldiers who try to defend him.

Online campaigns calling for "revenge" have garnered thousands of supporters.

[MERIZoC]

Support Israel or let the Arabs commit genocide. There really is nothing in between.

If Isreal fells, so is the Western civilisation with it.

Everything that comes out of your mouth is bullshit.

[Scholmeria]

If Isreal fells, so is the Western civilisation with it.

Everything that comes out of your mouth is bullshit.

Attack the argument not the poster. If you cannot respect different opinions than ignore it instead of behalving like a Muslim extrenist after seeing Jewish civilians.