Israel / Gaza / Hamas Mega-Thread

[Estrain (Ancient)]

and what if they're just breeding faster than you? you've got all the jews you can from all over the world and made sure only people of the right ethnicity can come, but it's still not enough? what do you do?

I doubt that will happen, but if it does then I honestly don't know. I'm not going to lie and claim to have all the answers.

But if that happened, and there are more non-Jews in the "Jewish state of Israel" than what should be done? Because either way it will violate human rights. You'll have to purge non-Jews, which will either be through ethnic cleansing or forcing them to move.

[Alyakia]

and what if they're just breeding faster than you? you've got all the jews you can from all over the world and made sure only people of the right ethnicity can come, but it's still not enough? what do you do?

I doubt that will happen, but if it does then I honestly don't know. I'm not going to lie and claim to have all the answers.

i'm pretty sure it's happening right now.

there are several options, and they're all horrible and arguably crimes against humanity. which is why we try not to do this kind of thing anymore!

[Satanic Socialist States]

The reason I said I don't have all the answers is because I don't think ethnic expulsion is ever a solution. If I thought it was I would not have claimed to not have an answer, but I'm sure someone, somewhere, will think of a solution if this issue ever does come up.

[Alyakia]

The reason I said I don't have all the answers is because I don't think ethnic expulsion is ever a solution. If I thought it was I would not have claimed to not have an answer, but I'm sure someone, somewhere, will think of a solution if this issue ever does come up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensborn

this is your least reprehensible option.

[Estrain (Ancient)]

The reason I said I don't have all the answers is because I don't think ethnic expulsion is ever a solution. If I thought it was I would not have claimed to not have an answer, but I'm sure someone, somewhere, will think of a solution if this issue ever does come up.

And that solution, given Israel's track record, will most likely be ethnic cleansing.
You can't advocate for a one-majority state, with a intrinsic right to maintain that majority, without acknowledging that that idea will lead to very bad things eventually (which it already is). If you're not for ethnic cleansing, you can't really be for a Jewish State of Israel that has a right to maintain a Jewish majority.

[Satanic Socialist States]

The reason I said I don't have all the answers is because I don't think ethnic expulsion is ever a solution. If I thought it was I would not have claimed to not have an answer, but I'm sure someone, somewhere, will think of a solution if this issue ever does come up.

And that solution, given Israel's track record, will most likely be ethnic cleansing.
You can't advocate for a one-majority state, with a intrinsic right to maintain that majority, without acknowledging that that idea will lead to very bad things eventually (which it already is). If you're not for ethnic cleansing, you can't really be for a Jewish State of Israel that has a right to maintain a Jewish majority.

There are ways (like restricting non-Jewish immigration and the right of return) to (hopefully) avoid this problem altogether.

[Estrain (Ancient)]

And that solution, given Israel's track record, will most likely be ethnic cleansing.
You can't advocate for a one-majority state, with a intrinsic right to maintain that majority, without acknowledging that that idea will lead to very bad things eventually (which it already is). If you're not for ethnic cleansing, you can't really be for a Jewish State of Israel that has a right to maintain a Jewish majority.

There are ways (like restricting non-Jewish immigration and the right of return) to (hopefully) avoid this problem altogether.

But if it happens, which it could easily happen, what's the solution? Eugenics? Genocide? Ethnic Cleansing? Forcibly removing people from their homes? All these options are against human rights, contrary to international law, and just awful. Yeah, block people who aren't Jews from coming into your precious Jewish state, but that idea has it's own consequences. You and people like you are advocating a very, very scary idea which could have very, very bad consequences.

[Satanic Socialist States]

There are ways (like restricting non-Jewish immigration and the right of return) to (hopefully) avoid this problem altogether.

But if it happens, which it could easily happen, what's the solution? Eugenics? Genocide? Ethnic Cleansing? Forcibly removing people from their homes? All these options are against human rights, contrary to international law, and just awful. Yeah, block people who aren't Jews from coming into your precious Jewish state, but that idea has it's own consequences. You and people like you are advocating a very, very scary idea which could have very, very bad consequences.

I think that this is a lot better an idea than putting the entire Jewish people at risk.

Also, voluntary eugenics not a bad idea.

[Alyakia]

But if it happens, which it could easily happen, what's the solution? Eugenics? Genocide? Ethnic Cleansing? Forcibly removing people from their homes? All these options are against human rights, contrary to international law, and just awful. Yeah, block people who aren't Jews from coming into your precious Jewish state, but that idea has it's own consequences. You and people like you are advocating a very, very scary idea which could have very, very bad consequences.

I think that this is a lot better an idea than putting the entire Jewish people at risk.

Also, voluntary eugenics not a bad idea.

eugenics in general is a bad idea. i hope you didn't just say that sterilizing people of the wrong ethnicity isn't a bad idea (assuming they do it "voluntarily")

[Estrain (Ancient)]

But if it happens, which it could easily happen, what's the solution? Eugenics? Genocide? Ethnic Cleansing? Forcibly removing people from their homes? All these options are against human rights, contrary to international law, and just awful. Yeah, block people who aren't Jews from coming into your precious Jewish state, but that idea has it's own consequences. You and people like you are advocating a very, very scary idea which could have very, very bad consequences.

I think that this is a lot better an idea than putting the entire Jewish people at risk.

Also, voluntary eugenics not a bad idea.

What? Why is it that either we have an "Jewish state" of Israel with a forced majority at the expense of other's already living in Palestine or Jews are in danger constantly everywhere?

When has eugenics ever been voluntary? And who would volunteer for that? No, I'm not going to let you advocate for the idea that the state of Israel should "voluntarily" sterilize non-Jews.

[Satanic Socialist States]

I think that this is a lot better an idea than putting the entire Jewish people at risk.

Also, voluntary eugenics not a bad idea.

eugenics in general is a bad idea. i hope you didn't just say that sterilizing people of the wrong ethnicity isn't a bad idea (assuming they do it "voluntarily")

Non-coercive eugenics is not a bad idea. By encouraging Jews to have more children many problem could be avoided.

[Gauthier]

eugenics in general is a bad idea. i hope you didn't just say that sterilizing people of the wrong ethnicity isn't a bad idea (assuming they do it "voluntarily")

Non-coercive eugenics is not a bad idea. By encouraging Jews to have more children many problem could be avoided.

Jewgenics. *nod nod*

[MERIZoC]

eugenics in general is a bad idea. i hope you didn't just say that sterilizing people of the wrong ethnicity isn't a bad idea (assuming they do it "voluntarily")

Non-coercive eugenics is not a bad idea. By encouraging Jews to have more children many problem could be avoided.

Yeah, because Israel/Palestine really needs more people.

[Estrain (Ancient)]

eugenics in general is a bad idea. i hope you didn't just say that sterilizing people of the wrong ethnicity isn't a bad idea (assuming they do it "voluntarily")

Non-coercive eugenics is not a bad idea. By encouraging Jews to have more children many problem could be avoided.

Encouraging people to have children isn't eugenics, at least not the kind that's performed and has been performed? I don't think "positive" eugenics has ever been done without "negative" eugenics?

[Alyakia]

eugenics in general is a bad idea. i hope you didn't just say that sterilizing people of the wrong ethnicity isn't a bad idea (assuming they do it "voluntarily")

Non-coercive eugenics is not a bad idea. By encouraging Jews to have more children many problem could be avoided.

so yes, lebensborn it is then

maybe someone will invent a name for it you can say without.. yeah

[Gauthier]

Non-coercive eugenics is not a bad idea. By encouraging Jews to have more children many problem could be avoided.

so yes, lebensborn it is then

maybe someone will invent a name for it you can say without.. yeah

Just give it a Hebrew name for the same thing. Problem solved.

[Satanic Socialist States]

I don't see why you cannot just call it positive eugenics.

[Alyakia]

I don't see why you cannot just call it positive eugenics.

well people really don't like the word eugenics, for probably the same reason they don't like the word lebensborn now that i think about it. so you need something entirely new.

[Estrain (Ancient)]

I don't see why you cannot just call it positive eugenics.

Because I don't associate Eugenics without any positivity. And are you actually gonna respond to anything of substance or just question my use of quotation marks?

[Gauthier]

I don't see why you cannot just call it positive eugenics.

It would be a hilarious irony. Israel practicing eugenics. Breeding a new generation of Jewbermensch.

[Evraim]

I don't see why you cannot just call it positive eugenics.

well people really don't like the word eugenics, for probably the same reason they don't like the word lebensborn now that i think about it. so you need something entirely new.

We can call it Bob. That name seems less threatening.

Also, as an update on the murdered Palestinian teenager, the Israeli police reportedly interrogated his father and suggested to social media that he had actually been the victim of a homophobic honor killing. This was a lie. The Israeli media later uncovered the truth and reported it. You can see the story in the Times of Jerusalem, or, probably, Haaretz. Thoughts?

Yeah, because Israel/Palestine really needs more people.

It shouldn't matter so long as the economy can provide enough resources and the government can provide appropriate infrastructure. Unfortunately, both Israel and Palestine seem to being have troubles with these tasks.

[Knask]

The only legitimate government of Palestine is Fatah. Hamas must be forcefully removed for the sake of stability within the region.

The only legitimate government of "palestine" is Israel. Both Fatah and Hamas must be totally and utterly obliterated for stabilities sake.

Why do you want to destroy Israel as a jewish state?

[Rehansu Tir]

blame the jews? these people are jews. I blame the European Borg-like Zionists *assimilate! assimilate!*

I'm have to ask: do you even know what zionism is?

[Rehansu Tir]

I don't give a shit if Israel has "LGBT rights," I don't want my rights to come at the expense of other's.

The question is: do you want someone else's right to come at the expense of yours?

As a gay man, I don't want to see the LGBT community in israel (secular, jewish, christian, arab) suffer for the palestinians, which is what would happen to LGBTs in a palestinian controlled state, as it already does to palestinian gays and lesbians - which is why so many of them risk their lives to sneak into israel.

[Rehansu Tir]

the existence of any state which states that one race has the right to eternally rule over all other races is unjustifiable.

Oh, for Fs sake. Ethnic jews are caucasian. so are ethnic arabs. They are both members of the same race, it also happens to be the same race that include the iranians, the french, the english, the berbers, the bedouins and many others.

If your going to make claims of bigotry, intolerance, racism, sexism, homophobia, antisemitism, islamophobia, etc. Use the correct terms or use generic terms that aren't so specific as to make a claim that isn't accurate.