Israel / Gaza / Hamas Mega-Thread

[Satanic Socialist States]

So the existence of a Jewish state is unjustifiable, or were you referring to something else as unjustifiable?

The oppression of the Palestinian people is unjustifiable. Israel has a right to exist. They don't have a right to violate international law so flagrantly.

There are no "Palestinians". There are Israeli Arabs, most of whom are patriots and just as Israeli as any Jew, and them there are non-Israelis who are occupying Jewish land in the West Bank and Gaza.

[Estrain (Ancient)]

The oppression of the Palestinian people is unjustifiable. Israel has a right to exist. They don't have a right to violate international law so flagrantly.

There are no "Palestinians". There are Israeli Arabs, most of whom are patriots and just as Israeli as any Jew, and them there are non-Israelis who are occupying Jewish land in the West Bank and Gaza.

Are you serious? You're actually, for one, erasing the existence of the Palestinian people, and then accusing THEM of occupying land? We're back to that whole non-reality thing.

[Satanic Socialist States]

Also, why the Hell shouldn't the Jews be allowed to be an ethnic majority in their own land? Shouldn't France have a French majority, Poland a Polish majority, China a Chinese majority and Israel an Israeli majority?

[MERIZoC]

The oppression of the Palestinian people is unjustifiable. Israel has a right to exist. They don't have a right to violate international law so flagrantly.

There are no "Palestinians". There are Israeli Arabs, most of whom are patriots and just as Israeli as any Jew, and them there are non-Israelis who are occupying Jewish land in the West Bank and Gaza.

Aaaaaand you just lost any legitimacy you had. Even Bibi thinks your views are crazy.

[Alyakia]

Also, why the Hell shouldn't the Jews be allowed to be an ethnic majority in their own land? Shouldn't France have a French majority, Poland a Polish majority, China a Chinese majority and Israel an Israeli majority?

people like to trot out extremely racist countries like japan and china and ask "look at them! they're racist too! are we really so wrong to be racist?!" the answer to which is: yes

[Alyakia]

Also, why the Hell shouldn't the Jews be allowed to be an ethnic majority in their own land? Shouldn't France have a French majority, Poland a Polish majority, China a Chinese majority and Israel an Israeli majority?

i don't think the israeli government actually recognizes israeli as a nationality, but i'll need someone else to cover it

[Alyakia]

Also, why the Hell shouldn't the Jews be allowed to be an ethnic majority in their own land? Shouldn't France have a French majority, Poland a Polish majority, China a Chinese majority and Israel an Israeli majority?

why shouldn't a white country have a white majority?

[Satanic Socialist States]

Also, why the Hell shouldn't the Jews be allowed to be an ethnic majority in their own land? Shouldn't France have a French majority, Poland a Polish majority, China a Chinese majority and Israel an Israeli majority?

people like to trot out extremely racist countries like japan and china and ask "look at them! they're racist too! are we really so wrong to be racist?!" the answer to which is: yes

How is China racist? Japan is racist, but I do not believe that China is racist at all.

Also, what about national self-determination? Do nationalities not have the right to a nation where they are the majority?

[MERIZoC]

Also, why the Hell shouldn't the Jews be allowed to be an ethnic majority in their own land? Shouldn't France have a French majority, Poland a Polish majority, China a Chinese majority and Israel an Israeli majority?

So you have no objection to the First Nations people throwing most of US out of North America?

[Alyakia]

people like to trot out extremely racist countries like japan and china and ask "look at them! they're racist too! are we really so wrong to be racist?!" the answer to which is: yes

How is China racist? Japan is racist, but I do not believe that China is racist at all.

Also, what about national self-determination? Do nationalities not have the right to a nation where they are the majority?

china is just as bad as japan.

there is a difference between self-determination and demanding your own ethnic state where you will always be the racial kings.

[Estrain (Ancient)]

Also, why the Hell shouldn't the Jews be allowed to be an ethnic majority in their own land? Shouldn't France have a French majority, Poland a Polish majority, China a Chinese majority and Israel an Israeli majority?

why shouldn't a white country have a white majority?

BOOM

Are you seriously comparing Zionism to white nationalism?

And there we have it. End of conversation.

[Satanic Socialist States]

Also, why the Hell shouldn't the Jews be allowed to be an ethnic majority in their own land? Shouldn't France have a French majority, Poland a Polish majority, China a Chinese majority and Israel an Israeli majority?

why shouldn't a white country have a white majority?

The idea that there is one single white ethnicity is ridiculous. White doesn't exist. The idea that a Finn and a Briton are somehow ethically more related than a white and black Briton is laughable.

Ethnicity is a lot more than just race too, ethnicity includes culture and language. For example an ethnicity could encompass several racial groups, who are united under one culture and language, such as the American ethnicity.

[Alyakia]

why shouldn't a white country have a white majority?

BOOM

Are you seriously comparing Zionism to white nationalism?

And there we have it. End of conversation.

well, i mean, do races not have the right to a nation where they are the majority...?

[Alyakia]

why shouldn't a white country have a white majority?

The idea that there is one single white ethnicity is ridiculous. White doesn't exist. The idea that a Finn and a Briton are somehow ethically more related than a white and black Briton is laughable.

Ethnicity is a lot more than just race too, ethnicity includes culture and language. For example an ethnicity could encompass several racial groups, who are united under one culture and language, such as the American ethnicity.

you are being very offensive by denying the existence of our people. :-(

ok. do we at least get our own religious states so we can be safe from discrimination?

[Satanic Socialist States]

The idea that there is one single white ethnicity is ridiculous. White doesn't exist. The idea that a Finn and a Briton are somehow ethically more related than a white and black Briton is laughable.

Ethnicity is a lot more than just race too, ethnicity includes culture and language. For example an ethnicity could encompass several racial groups, who are united under one culture and language, such as the American ethnicity.

you are being very offensive by denying the existence of our people. :-(

ok. do we at least get our own religious states so we can be safe from discrimination?

No, of course you should not get your own religious state. All states should be secular, like Israel.

[Alyakia]

you are being very offensive by denying the existence of our people. :-(

ok. do we at least get our own religious states so we can be safe from discrimination?

No, of course you should not get your own religious state. All states should be secular, like Israel.

israel isn't as secular as everyone pretends though.

so regardless of how persecuted they are, only ethnicities are allowed their own states? i guess that sucks for people who are at risk of being killed because of their religion. why the hell don't they have the right to a nation where they are the majority, exactly? why is ethnicity so special?

so, should the different jews get their own states? i think i covered before the discrimation by ashkenazi and extreme orthodox jews against the rest?

[Gauthier]

No, of course you should not get your own religious state. All states should be secular, like Israel.

israel isn't as secular as everyone pretends though.

so regardless of how persecuted they are, only ethnicities are allowed their own states? i guess that sucks for people who are at risk of being killed because of their religion. why the hell don't they have the right to a nation where they are the majority, exactly? why is ethnicity so special?

so, should the different jews get their own states? i think i covered before the discrimation by ashkenazi and extreme orthodox jews against the rest?

If you're dark skinned you're not really a Jew. *nod nod*

[Satanic Socialist States]

No, of course you should not get your own religious state. All states should be secular, like Israel.

israel isn't as secular as everyone pretends though.

so regardless of how persecuted they are, only ethnicities are allowed their own states? i guess that sucks for people who are at risk of being killed because of their religion.

so, should the different jews get their own states? i think i covered before the discrimation by ashkenazi and extreme orthodox jews against the rest?

No, because Jews are one ethnicity. Trying to divide them would be like trying to divide the English into different states on the basis that some of them come from Norfolk and others come from Northumberland.

Of course, all citizens of Israel should be equal.

[Alyakia]

israel isn't as secular as everyone pretends though.

so regardless of how persecuted they are, only ethnicities are allowed their own states? i guess that sucks for people who are at risk of being killed because of their religion.

so, should the different jews get their own states? i think i covered before the discrimation by ashkenazi and extreme orthodox jews against the rest?

No, because Jews are one ethnicity. Trying to divide them would be like trying to divide the English into different states on the basis that some of them come from Norfolk and others come from Northumberland.

Of course, all citizens of Israel should be equal.

since you probably missed it: why the hell don't they have the right to a nation where they are the majority, exactly? why is ethnicity so special?

they themselves don't appear to have a problem discriminating against other jews. they've figured out the divisions pretty well.

but all citizens of israel cannot be equal. one ethnicity is in charge of all others. what happens when that ethnicity becomes a minority?

[Estrain (Ancient)]

BOOM

And there we have it. End of conversation.

well, i mean, do races not have the right to a nation where they are the majority...?

I wouldn't say they have a right. They can have one, but they have no right to make it that they have a majority.
I was just proving that there can be a comparison to Zionism and White Nationalism.

[Satanic Socialist States]

No, because Jews are one ethnicity. Trying to divide them would be like trying to divide the English into different states on the basis that some of them come from Norfolk and others come from Northumberland.

Of course, all citizens of Israel should be equal.

since you probably missed it: why the hell don't they have the right to a nation where they are the majority, exactly? why is ethnicity so special?

they themselves don't appear to have a problem discriminating against other jews. they've figured out the divisions pretty well.

but all citizens of israel cannot be equal. one ethnicity is in charge of all others. what happens when that ethnicity becomes a minority?

That is what must be prevented from happening. Non-Jews should be allowed to live and be treated equally in Israel, but at the same time must remain ethnic minorities.

They do have the right to a state and they already have that state. It is called Israel. Like I said, it would be just as silly as splitting the English/Anglo-Saxons into different states on the basis that some of them come from Norfolk and others come from Northumberland. Or splitting the Irish into different states on the basis some of them come from the Northern counties (oh, wait).

[Alyakia]

since you probably missed it: why the hell don't they have the right to a nation where they are the majority, exactly? why is ethnicity so special?

they themselves don't appear to have a problem discriminating against other jews. they've figured out the divisions pretty well.

but all citizens of israel cannot be equal. one ethnicity is in charge of all others. what happens when that ethnicity becomes a minority?

That is what must be prevented from happening. Non-Jews should be allowed to live and be treated equally in Israel, but at the same time must remain ethnic minorities.

They do have the right to a state and they already have that state. It is called Israel. Like I said, it would be just as silly as splitting the English/Anglo-Saxons into different states on the basis that some of them come from Norfolk and others come from Northumberland. Or splitting the Irish into different states on the basis some of them come from the Northern counties (oh, wait).

be prevented from happening? how do you do that? through ethnic quotas? a white austr- sorry jewish israel policy? what if it happens accidentally, do you kick people out? do you have a preference for ethnicity, or is it ok to only be at least 60%+ jewish? do you see why people are opposed to this kind of thing now? it's maintenance must inevitably to lead to a racist state. imagine if you were a non-jew in israel and had lived there all your life and wanted you wife to come and be with you, but were told she can't come because she's the wrong ethnicity?

please don't tell you're about to come out opposed to northern irelands self-determination after what you said before. jeez! they just took over and put lots of people of their own ethnicity there! how terrible!

[Satanic Socialist States]

That is what must be prevented from happening. Non-Jews should be allowed to live and be treated equally in Israel, but at the same time must remain ethnic minorities.

They do have the right to a state and they already have that state. It is called Israel. Like I said, it would be just as silly as splitting the English/Anglo-Saxons into different states on the basis that some of them come from Norfolk and others come from Northumberland. Or splitting the Irish into different states on the basis some of them come from the Northern counties (oh, wait).

be prevented from happening? how do you do that? through ethnic quotas? a white austr- sorry jewish israel policy? what if it happens accidentally, do you kick people out? do you have a preference for ethnicity, or is it ok to only be at least 60%+ jewish? do you see why people are opposed to this kind of thing now? it's maintenance must inevitably to lead to a racist state. imagine if you were a non-jew in israel and had lived there all your life and wanted you wife to come and be with you, but were told she can't come because she's the wrong ethnicity?

please don't tell you're about to come out opposed to northern irelands self-determination after what you said before. jeez! they just took over and put lots of people of their own ethnicity there! how terrible!

You can ensure you remain Jewish through the right of return and restricting non-Jewish immigration.

[Alyakia]

be prevented from happening? how do you do that? through ethnic quotas? a white austr- sorry jewish israel policy? what if it happens accidentally, do you kick people out? do you have a preference for ethnicity, or is it ok to only be at least 60%+ jewish? do you see why people are opposed to this kind of thing now? it's maintenance must inevitably to lead to a racist state. imagine if you were a non-jew in israel and had lived there all your life and wanted you wife to come and be with you, but were told she can't come because she's the wrong ethnicity?

please don't tell you're about to come out opposed to northern irelands self-determination after what you said before. jeez! they just took over and put lots of people of their own ethnicity there! how terrible!

You can ensure you remain Jewish through the right of return and restricting non-Jewish immigration.

and what if they're just breeding faster than you? you've got all the jews you can from all over the world and made sure only people of the right ethnicity can come, but it's still not enough? what do you do?

[Satanic Socialist States]

You can ensure you remain Jewish through the right of return and restricting non-Jewish immigration.

and what if they're just breeding faster than you? you've got all the jews you can from all over the world and made sure only people of the right ethnicity can come, but it's still not enough? what do you do?

I doubt that will happen, but if it does then I honestly don't know. I'm not going to lie and claim to have all the answers.