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[DogDoo 7]

So you don't care if one country has LGBT rights and gays are executed in the other? Not important is it?

Proof LGBTs are executed by the Palestinians?

not judicially, but it's not unheard of for a 'problem' to be taken care of...

[Gauthier]

Proof LGBTs are executed by the Palestinians?

not judicially, but it's not unheard of for a 'problem' to be taken care of...

They also take care of 'problems' in Uganda publically, but nobody here is bitching about Uganda's LGBT rights. I'd like proof LGBTs are murdered routinely in Palestine.

[Alyakia]

not judicially, but it's not unheard of for a 'problem' to be taken care of...

They also take care of 'problems' in Uganda publically, but nobody here is bitching about Uganda's LGBT rights.

i guess if one country in africa starts supporting LGBT rights we're supposed to cheer them on as they annex everyone else *shrug*

[Gauthier]

They also take care of 'problems' in Uganda publically, but nobody here is bitching about Uganda's LGBT rights.

i guess if one country in africa starts supporting LGBT rights we're supposed to cheer them on as they annex everyone else *shrug*

I guess that's what the Republicans really mean by The Gay Agenda. Support LGBT rights, then start conquering territory.

[Satanic Socialist States]

Enjoy this chart: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory#Middle_East

Israel is the only country in the region to have any legal recognition of homesexual relationships. This also clearly shows that homosexuality is much more accepted in Israel.

What do you mean at the expense of others? Israel violates no ones rights.

[Alyakia]

anti-racistzionist is a codeword for anti-whitesemetic

[Estrain (Ancient)]

Enjoy this chart: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory#Middle_East

Israel is the only country in the region to have any legal recognition of homesexual relationships. This also clearly shows that homosexuality is much more accepted in Israel.

What do you mean at the expense of others? Israel violates no ones rights.

I think A LOT of Palestinian people will beg to differ with that point.

[Gauthier]

anti-racistzionist is a codeword for anti-whitesemetic

Arabia for Arabs, Palestine for Palestinians, Jewish Lands for Everybody?

[Alyakia]

anyway satantic socialist states

when i said find a post advocating for the destruction of the jewish people i meant something like this

There can be no "Peaceable" transition of non-Jews from the land that is Israel. All non-Jews must be forceably removed or, if they resist relocation in any physical manner, killed where they stand.

this is how you do it

[Satanic Socialist States]

anti-racistzionist is a codeword for anti-whitesemetic

Are you seriously comparing Zionism to white nationalism?

[Estrain (Ancient)]

anti-racistzionist is a codeword for anti-whitesemetic

Are you seriously comparing Zionism to white nationalism?

I mean.. It's not THAT ridiculous of a claim, if you think about it.

[Alyakia]

anti-racistzionist is a codeword for anti-whitesemetic

Are you seriously comparing Zionism to white nationalism?

This country shall remain forever the home of the descendants of those people who came here in peace in order to establish in the South Seas Levant an outpost homeland of the British race Jewish people.

e: this one is the white australia policy, it might be a bit hard to spot. and yes i basically consider all ethnic/racial/religious nationalism a scourge on humanity and fundamentally the same. it's not my fault their slogans are all interchangeable.

[Satanic Socialist States]

Are you seriously comparing Zionism to white nationalism?

This country shall remain forever the home of the descendants of those people who came here in peace in order to establish in the South Seas Levant an outpost homeland of the British race Jewish people.

The Jews have the right to a homeland where they can be the ethnic majority as it is the only way for them to be safe. The world has proven over and over again the non-Jews cannot be trusted with the safety of Jews.

[Satanic Socialist States]

Look at how tolerant the Arabs are in anti-Israel outpost like Egypt: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory#Northern_Africa!

[Alyakia]

This country shall remain forever the home of the descendants of those people who came here in peace in order to establish in the South Seas Levant an outpost homeland of the British race Jewish people.

The Jews have the right to a homeland where they can be the ethnic majority as it is the only way for them to be safe. The world has proven over and over again the non-Jews cannot be trusted with the safety of Jews.

should we have an LGBT homeland, if not, why not?

e: oh. you even said ethnic majority. glad to see you're not dancing around it like most people.

[Estrain (Ancient)]

Look at how tolerant the Arabs are in anti-Israel outpost like Egypt: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory#Northern_Africa!

I don't give a shit about Egypt, we're talking about Palestine (I won't call it Israel, sorry).

[Satanic Socialist States]

The Jews have the right to a homeland where they can be the ethnic majority as it is the only way for them to be safe. The world has proven over and over again the non-Jews cannot be trusted with the safety of Jews.

should we have an LGBT homeland, if not, why not?

e: oh. you even said ethnic majority. glad to see you're not dancing around it like most people.

Because there have been societies throughout history where homosecuality is accepted. Homophobia is actually a relatively recent phenomenon.

Anti-semitism has been around as long as there have been Jews.

[Alyakia]

should we have an LGBT homeland, if not, why not?

e: oh. you even said ethnic majority. glad to see you're not dancing around it like most people.

Because there have been societies throughout history where homosecuality is accepted. Homophobia is actually a relatively recent phenomenon.

Anti-semitism has been around as long as there have been Jews.

i'd like to see these societies where being gay and trans was totally a-ok. (e: just going to preface this with it was only ok in rome and greece if you were giving not taking like a woman)

so does that mean once we get a society that accepts jews we can get rid of racist states? oh, don't tell me you're pretending that israel, where the yiddish language was suppressed in favour of hebrew and where there is discrimination against the best israel and mizrahi jews, is the holy saviour of the jewish people, where no discrimination never happens unlike america where it is rampant.

[Satanic Socialist States]

Because there have been societies throughout history where homosecuality is accepted. Homophobia is actually a relatively recent phenomenon.

Anti-semitism has been around as long as there have been Jews.

i'd like to see these societies where being gay and trans was totally a-ok.

so does that mean once we get a society that accepts jews we can get rid of racist states? oh, don't tell me you're pretending that israel, where the yiddish language was suppressed in favour of hebrew and where there is discrimination against the best israel and mizrahi jews, is the holy saviour of the jewish people, where no discrimination never happens unlike america where it is rampant.

I cannot understand what you are saying in the second paragraph.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory#History_of_LGBT-related_laws

[Alyakia]

i'd like to see these societies where being gay and trans was totally a-ok.

so does that mean once we get a society that accepts jews we can get rid of racist states? oh, don't tell me you're pretending that israel, where the yiddish language was suppressed in favour of hebrew and where there is discrimination against the best israel and mizrahi jews, is the holy saviour of the jewish people, where no discrimination never happens unlike america where it is rampant.

I cannot understand what you are saying in the second paragraph.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory#History_of_LGBT-related_laws

there are several countries where jews are not widely discriminated against. there is some discrimination against jews in those countries, but it is not socially acceptable. even israel discriminates against jews. or, at least, the wrong kind of jews. so the whole argument seems like a big pile of steaming horsecrap to try and justify what is in any other case unjustifiable.

[Satanic Socialist States]

I cannot understand what you are saying in the second paragraph.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory#History_of_LGBT-related_laws

there are several countries where jews are not widely discriminated against. there is some discrimination against jews in those countries, but it is not socially acceptable. even israel discriminates against jews. or, at least, the wrong kind of jews. so the whole argument seems like a big pile of steaming horsecrap to try and justify what is in any other case unjustifiable.

So the existence of a Jewish state is unjustifiable, or were you referring to something else as unjustifiable?

[MERIZoC]

there are several countries where jews are not widely discriminated against. there is some discrimination against jews in those countries, but it is not socially acceptable. even israel discriminates against jews. or, at least, the wrong kind of jews. so the whole argument seems like a big pile of steaming horsecrap to try and justify what is in any other case unjustifiable.

So the existence of a Jewish state is unjustifiable, or were you referring to something else as unjustifiable?

The oppression of the Palestinian people is unjustifiable. Israel has a right to exist. They don't have a right to violate international law so flagrantly.

[Estrain (Ancient)]

should we have an LGBT homeland, if not, why not?

e: oh. you even said ethnic majority. glad to see you're not dancing around it like most people.

Because there have been societies throughout history where homosecuality is accepted. Homophobia is actually a relatively recent phenomenon.

Anti-semitism has been around as long as there have been Jews.

LOL homophobia new? Homophobia has *gasp* been around as long as there have been queer folk. And there have been queer folk for just as long as there has been Jews. So, oops.

[Alyakia]

there are several countries where jews are not widely discriminated against. there is some discrimination against jews in those countries, but it is not socially acceptable. even israel discriminates against jews. or, at least, the wrong kind of jews. so the whole argument seems like a big pile of steaming horsecrap to try and justify what is in any other case unjustifiable.

So the existence of a Jewish state is unjustifiable, or were you referring to something else as unjustifiable?

the existence of any state which states that one race has the right to eternally rule over all other races is unjustifiable.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/18/world ... d=all&_r=0

Tens of thousands of ultra-Orthodox Jews took to the streets of this city on Thursday to accompany dozens of Hasidic parents who were on their way to prison for two weeks after refusing to comply with a Supreme Court ruling against ethnic segregation in their children’s school.

http://www.nif.org/component/content/ar ... ts-funding

Israel’s Supreme Court has ordered the Bet Yaakov school in the West Bank settlement of Emmanuel to explain why its Ashkenazi and Mizrahi students are taught in separate classes.

http://henrymakow.com/2013/12/diversity ... style.html

As an American-Jewish immigrant to Israel, I witness a blatant and ugly racism.

In America, the Jewish community has long championed the rights of other minorities as a strategic gambit. Sadly, in Israel, where Jews are the majority, the Jewish population is extremely race-conscious.

ARAB JEWS

While Judaism is considered a religion, it acts like a race. Within that race, there is a hierarchy of privilege. Israelis can be broken down into two main categories: European "Ashkenazi" Jews and Middle Eastern "Mizrahi" Jews.

These two distinct subgroups also observe two distinct types of Judaism. Ashkenazi Judaism and Sephardic Judaism.

Every Israeli Prime Minister has been a European, lighter skinned, Ashkenazi Jew. Only one figurehead President of Israel has been a darker skinned Mizrahi Jew, and he is currently in prison for raping one of his secretaries.

The "white" Ashkenazi Jews are the elite in Israel. The "darker" Mizrahi, or Arab Jews are a slightly lower caste. Mizrahi Jews look identical to their Arab Muslim and Christian cousins.

Israeli police and military are not politically correct. They racially profile people at every checkpoint, supermarket, movie theater, etc. Thus, Mizrahi Jews are given a closer look and only their Hebrew accent confirms them as Jews.

...

In America my children were raised differently. They would never call a person of color "nigger" in America. Yet here in Israel they quickly learned Ethiopians are called "cushy" in reference to the biblical Cushites. Israelis also use the term "nigger". They don't recognize these terms to be racist. Zionists don't realize Jewish-only land, Jewish-only immigration, Jewish-only marriage are racist. They simply accept their racism as normal.

It's a caste system, plain and simple, and what kids learn in childhood carries over into adulthood. That's the culture.

http://972mag.com/author-sami-michael-i ... rld/52602/

For many years Mr. Michael described himself as not a Zionist, but a patriotic Israeli. He identifies proudly as an Arab Jew and an Iraqi.

In his controversial speech last month, he said he was too old to emigrate but envied those who could. Although he insists he is still a patriotic citizen, he no longer feels that Israel can be his spiritual homeland: It has turned its back on “humanistic values and the rights of mankind.” Racism, fanatical religiosity and the occupation are destroying the state, he says. We are liable to lose it all.

...

The State of Israel, from the day it was established, has proved how well based and logical are the Arab suspicions of us, from the identification of Israel in the 1950s with the sins of the French in Algiers, through Israeli participation with the armies of Britain and France in 1956 against Egypt for nationalizing the Suez Canal, and ending with our active enthusiasm at the conquest of Iraq, not to mention our direct conquest and settlement in Gaza and the West Bank. Israel, a tiny island, has become a mark of shame on the proud forehead of the Arab peoples. These are the peoples who obliterated every foreign element that tried to acquire a stake in the region and who overcame the Mongols, the Crusaders and European occupation.

...

The racism seeped into many other spheres, and shamefully increased the social gaps. Until today, in most of the important state institutions and especially in the academic and cultural ones, we witness an under-representation of those who came from Arab countries. The Israeli left have adopted this approach and continues in its racist policy, amounting actually to a political symbolic suicide on its part, rendering itself an insignificant elitist cult in Israeli society. The other stronghold of racism is the ultraorthodox Jewish community in Israel.

Thus, if the Israeli left displays its racism with circumspection and uses denial tactics to hide it, the Ashkenazi Haredi (ultra-orthodox) bloc displays its version of racism openly and unabashedly. In the eyes of the Haredim, Mizrahi Jews were nothing but an existential danger to them.

...

On my way to school in Baghdad, during the days when Nazi Germany was in power, I came across a graffiti inscription on the walls: “The Jew is of an inferior race,” and “Hitler is destroying the germs.” These slogans came to Iraq directly from Berlin. After seventy years, these words still harrow my soul. ... How did we drag this racist disease into our homes here? How horrifying it is to find that a people who had paid a terrible blood price in the previous century because a racist fence had been drawn around it, could allow such a contemptible fence be constructed within its homeland?

We know very well when this abomination occurred and where. We remember well what price our people have paid for the fences and separation according to color. In my view this is a sacrilege that took place in a Jewish school which claims to be teaching the Holy Torah. If any other country had set up such an offensive fence we would, as Jews, have loudly protested against it. And here, in Israel, the left has for the most part kept silent. The ruling establishment did not lift a finger. The Supreme Court decreed that the fence should be removed. But those who set up the fence loudly announced that they would continue their policy even if this entailed sitting in jail.

Now, with the collapse of the phony left in Israel and the rise to power of the right in general, and of the Haredi right in particular, the racist divide has become an almost acceptable fact. Racism is gradually becoming entrenched in Israeli society with the political strengthening of the religious right. Racism is directed at Jews from Arab and Islamic countries, immigrants from Ethiopia and Russia, Arab citizens of Israel, Palestinians in the occupied territories, refugees and working migrants, gays, and the list goes on. The rising tide of racism continues to mount with the encouragement of Knesset and government members, both through infamous public statements and by legislating draconian anti-democratic laws against outsiders, foreigners, and against human rights organizations. In any case, Israel can pride itself on having the dubious title – the most racist state in the developed world.

[Estrain (Ancient)]

So the existence of a Jewish state is unjustifiable, or were you referring to something else as unjustifiable?

The oppression of the Palestinian people is unjustifiable. Israel has a right to exist. They don't have a right to violate international law so flagrantly.

And that's really the end of this conversation, tbh.