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Albionum wrote:

Limborg wrote:
1. So does every state, besides Israël isn't even a Jewish state, more like a Zionist one.
2. So does Palestine.
3. No it doesn't.
4. Yes it has.

1. Zionism is better than extremism.
2. Palestine? What on Earth is Palestine?!
3. Yes, it does. Take a look at Genesis 15:18, 17:8, 50:24, Exodus 6:8, and Leviticus 20:24.
4. I'll grant you the Second Lebanon War of 2006 as an inconclusive concession, although personally, Israel won. It has and it always will. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Israel

Giving religious texts isn't a source.
Hillarity

Soviet Syrian Arab Republic wrote:

Albionum wrote:
1. Zionism is better than extremism.
2. Palestine? What on Earth is Palestine?!
3. Yes, it does. Take a look at Genesis 15:18, 17:8, 50:24, Exodus 6:8, and Leviticus 20:24.
4. I'll grant you the Second Lebanon War of 2006 as an inconclusive concession, although personally, Israel won. It has and it always will. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Israel

Giving religious texts isn't a source.
Hillarity

Ok, let's go to the so-called "realist" path and not religious. What was bad in Zionism and ambition to go to the Land of Israel back in the 1880's? What was so bad?

Great Israel wrote:Ok, let's go to the so-called "realist" path and not religious. What was bad in Zionism and ambition to go to the Land of Israel back in the 1880's? What was so bad?

I think Arabs and Muslims are mandated to answer yes, otherwise they give something away in the negotiations.

Then why don't you leave the palestines ALONE while you are it? Give them independence and they'll cool down. Simple. If Israel agrees to stop the war and give Palestine independence, then they'll stop attacking. HAMAS is not that unreasonable, right?

Ryccia wrote:Then why don't you leave the palestines ALONE while you are it? Give them independence and they'll cool down. Simple. If Israel agrees to stop the war and give Palestine independence, then they'll stop attacking. HAMAS is not that unreasonable, right?

History seems to demonstrate otherwise. But hope springs eternal.

Ryccia wrote:Then why don't you leave the palestines ALONE while you are it? Give them independence and they'll cool down. Simple. If Israel agrees to stop the war and give Palestine independence, then they'll stop attacking. HAMAS is not that unreasonable, right?

I understand that but Hamas would change name after and still fuck with Israel.
So, no.

Ryccia wrote:Then why don't you leave the palestines ALONE while you are it? Give them independence and they'll cool down. Simple. If Israel agrees to stop the war and give Palestine independence, then they'll stop attacking. HAMAS is not that unreasonable, right?

Hamas IS unreasonable, it's so sad to see they are backed by the world while even Palestinians hate them. Israel tried to give independence in 2000, 2008 and they never agreed. The offer they got in 2008 was so good I'm afraid they will never receive such an offer again. When Israel wanted peace, they wanted Terror. When we withdrew from northern West Bank, instead if peace, they gave us MORE suicide bombers. When we let Gaza go, freely, instead of peace we got rockets. When did Palestinians ever show they want peace and to live side by side with Israel?

Lots of civilian casualties at the moment. Israel should continue its operation as Hamas is a big threat, but it should try harder to refrain from harming any civilians.

West Aurelia wrote:Lots of civilian casualties at the moment. Israel should continue its operation as Hamas is a big threat, but it should try harder to refrain from harming any civilians.

Like that's ever going to happen

Great Israel wrote:

Ryccia wrote:Then why don't you leave the palestines ALONE while you are it? Give them independence and they'll cool down. Simple. If Israel agrees to stop the war and give Palestine independence, then they'll stop attacking. HAMAS is not that unreasonable, right?

Hamas IS unreasonable, it's so sad to see they are backed by the world while even Palestinians hate them. Israel tried to give independence in 2000, 2008 and they never agreed. The offer they got in 2008 was so good I'm afraid they will never receive such an offer again. When Israel wanted peace, they wanted Terror. When we withdrew from northern West Bank, instead if peace, they gave us MORE suicide bombers. When we let Gaza go, freely, instead of peace we got rockets. When did Palestinians ever show they want peace and to live side by side with Israel?

Yet you use laser guided missles against children...

Soviet Syrian Arab Republic wrote:

Great Israel wrote:Hamas IS unreasonable, it's so sad to see they are backed by the world while even Palestinians hate them. Israel tried to give independence in 2000, 2008 and they never agreed. The offer they got in 2008 was so good I'm afraid they will never receive such an offer again. When Israel wanted peace, they wanted Terror. When we withdrew from northern West Bank, instead if peace, they gave us MORE suicide bombers. When we let Gaza go, freely, instead of peace we got rockets. When did Palestinians ever show they want peace and to live side by side with Israel?

Yet you use laser guided missles against children...

Where did you take that from?'Osrael has NO intentions hitting civilians and if it happened than trust me, we are all sorry for them to. You don't know HOW MANY times Israel canceled operations and air strikes because Children or women were in that area

Soviet Syrian Arab Republic wrote:Yet you use laser guided missles against children...

Pretty sure Syria has it's own brutalities to answer for before pointing any fingers.

Soviet Syrian Arab Republic wrote:Yet you use laser guided missles against children...

Don't you see the logic behind it? It will definitely convince the fathers of these children to not join Hamas. Even better, they will most likely adopt a friendly stance towards the people of Israel.

Or it may be complete fucking idiotic bullshit caused by incompetent imbeciles who dare to call themselves military officers.

Cymrea wrote:Pretty sure Syria has it's own brutalities to answer for before pointing any fingers.

Sure. And? That makes israeli crimes justifiable?

West Aurelia wrote:Israel should continue its operation as Hamas is a big threat.

Hamas is a very minor threat, and is unable to cause Israel real harm. Their rockets are massively inefficient, inaccurate, and easy to intercept.
They only become dangerous when you enter Gaza and fall in their ambushes.

Great Israel wrote:

Soviet Syrian Arab Republic wrote:Yet you use laser guided missles against children...

Where did you take that from?'Osrael has NO intentions hitting civilians and if it happened than trust me, we are all sorry for them to. You don't know HOW MANY times Israel canceled operations and air strikes because Children or women were in that area

"Children or women" implying that yoy can hit men
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5591557
http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/israeli-airstrike-kills-six-year-old-gaza-death-toll-hits-316
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/07/20/sunday-gaza-toll-more-60
Sorry for delay on mobile

Evil the Great wrote:

Cymrea wrote:Pretty sure Syria has it's own brutalities to answer for before pointing any fingers.

Sure. And? That makes israeli crimes justifiable?

Israeli crimes?

Evil the Great wrote:

West Aurelia wrote:Israel should continue its operation as Hamas is a big threat.

Hamas is a very minor threat, and is unable to cause Israel real harm. Their rockets are massively inefficient, inaccurate, and easy to intercept.
They only become dangerous when you enter Gaza and fall in their ambushes.

And that makes launching missiles okay?

Evil the Great wrote:

Cymrea wrote:Pretty sure Syria has it's own brutalities to answer for before pointing any fingers.

Sure. And? That makes israeli crimes justifiable?

Nope. Try not to infer something that isn't there.

Cymrea wrote:

Soviet Syrian Arab Republic wrote:Yet you use laser guided missles against children...

Pretty sure Syria has it's own brutalities to answer for before pointing any fingers.

Enemies of the Ba'ath party deserve it.

Viritica wrote:Israeli crimes?

Blowing up hospitals. Ruthlessly attaking children on beaches. Using shrapnell on civilian areas. Phosporus bombs etc...
Are you oblivious to reality.

More than 70% of palestinian casualties are civilians. On the israeli side, the vast majority of casualties are soldiers. Who are the terrorists?

Viritica wrote:And that makes launching missiles okay?

Um, no. But I don't think hundreds of palestinians ( who, let's never forget it, were forcefully removed from their properties, in many cases ) must die to please the rich jewish colonist who saw a rocket fall 500 meters away from his home. Or the poor colonist, for that matters.

Viritica wrote:

Evil the Great wrote:
Sure. And? That makes israeli crimes justifiable?

Israeli crimes?

http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/201 ... solutions/

Many more on the way

Cymrea wrote:Nope. Try not to infer something that isn't there.

It is both shameful and idiotic to deny them. I suppose you also deny the existence of the Sabra and Chatila massacre? And the fact that one of israel's most renowned politician, who died recently, was guilty of war crimes?

Evil the Great wrote:

Cymrea wrote:Pretty sure Syria has it's own brutalities to answer for before pointing any fingers.

Sure. And? That makes israeli crimes justifiable?

No it doesn't, every innocent killed by Israel is purely accidental, and I'm very sorry for every child or any innocent that turns out to be dead, and yes so does Israel.

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I am sure that the death of 13 armed soldiers are more of a war crime to him than the death of women and children.

Now imagine reactions if said women and children were jewish. Whew, the world would shit itself. Double standards have to go.