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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:38 am
by Uxupox
Gauthier wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
Maybe not them. But Hamas probably is and if the Israeli neighbors won the war in 1948 well... There would be a lot less Arab Jews today.


Attempting Genocide with rockets that have to have most of its explosive warhead removed to be even able to reach Israeli territory and might kill a handful of people on a really, really lucky day. Good one.

When Israeli casualties even begin to reach half the amount of Palestinian casualties, then using the term "genocide" won't come off as pure bullshit.


So what exactly do you propose then? When the rockets drop just "take" it and act like nothing happens?

"Oh it's a rocket attack go ahead on your business folks nothing to see here."

PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:38 am
by Gauthier
Jamzmania wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Attempting Genocide with rockets that have to have most of its explosive warhead removed to be even able to reach Israeli territory and might kill a handful of people on a really, really lucky day. Good one.

When Israeli casualties even begin to reach half the amount of Palestinian casualties, then using the term "genocide" won't come off as pure bullshit.

Doesn't change the fact that Hamas is dedicated to the destruction of Israel.


And I can be dedicated to total world domination but if I'm nowhere near achieving even a bit of it I'm only going to be laughed at.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:39 am
by Gauthier
Uxupox wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Attempting Genocide with rockets that have to have most of its explosive warhead removed to be even able to reach Israeli territory and might kill a handful of people on a really, really lucky day. Good one.

When Israeli casualties even begin to reach half the amount of Palestinian casualties, then using the term "genocide" won't come off as pure bullshit.


So what exactly do you propose then? When the rockets drop just "take" it and act like nothing happens?

"Oh it's a rocket attack go ahead on your business folks nothing to see here."


Crack down on the settlements. That would take a lot of wind out of Hamas's justifications for sending bottle rockets over. Then again without Hamas, Israel wouldn't have a justification to bomb the shit out of Palestinians and grab their lands either.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:41 am
by Alyakia
Uxupox wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Attempting Genocide with rockets that have to have most of its explosive warhead removed to be even able to reach Israeli territory and might kill a handful of people on a really, really lucky day. Good one.

When Israeli casualties even begin to reach half the amount of Palestinian casualties, then using the term "genocide" won't come off as pure bullshit.


So what exactly do you propose then? When the rockets drop just "take" it and act like nothing happens?

"Oh it's a rocket attack go ahead on your business folks nothing to see here."


they could if they really wanted

PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:44 am
by Uxupox
Gauthier wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
So what exactly do you propose then? When the rockets drop just "take" it and act like nothing happens?

"Oh it's a rocket attack go ahead on your business folks nothing to see here."


Crack down on the settlements. That would take a lot of wind out of Hamas's justifications for sending bottle rockets over. Then again without Hamas, Israel wouldn't have a justification to bomb the shit out of Palestinians and grab their lands either.


Yea I'd support that.
Alyakia wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
So what exactly do you propose then? When the rockets drop just "take" it and act like nothing happens?

"Oh it's a rocket attack go ahead on your business folks nothing to see here."


they could if they really wanted


No.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:46 am
by Alyakia
Alyakia wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
So what exactly do you propose then? When the rockets drop just "take" it and act like nothing happens?

"Oh it's a rocket attack go ahead on your business folks nothing to see here."


they could if they really wanted


No.[/quote]

actually, yeah. they might even plausibly get away with 0 deaths on a good year.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:48 am
by Uxupox
Alyakia wrote:
Alyakia wrote:
they could if they really wanted


No.


actually, yeah. they might even plausibly get away with 0 deaths on a good year.[/quote]

Let's say that Hamas get's "lucky" and kill 1 or a few? What do you suggest then? Ignore it as well? A few lives don't matter right?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:49 am
by Napkiraly
Alyakia wrote:
Alyakia wrote:
they could if they really wanted


No.


actually, yeah. they might even plausibly get away with 0 deaths on a good year.[/quote]
It's quite unreasonable to expect any country to tolerate rocket attacks against their people regardless if said rocket attacks result in small amounts of physical casualties.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:49 am
by Alyakia
Uxupox wrote:Let's say that Hamas get's "lucky" and kill 1 or a few? What do you suggest then? Ignore it as well? A few lives don't matter right?


well in that case the obvious answer is to ban chocolate, invade, kill thousands and displace hundreds of thousands of peole

PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:51 am
by Gauthier
Alyakia wrote:
Uxupox wrote:Let's say that Hamas get's "lucky" and kill 1 or a few? What do you suggest then? Ignore it as well? A few lives don't matter right?


well in that case the obvious answer is to ban chocolate, invade, kill thousands and displace hundreds of thousands of peole


And Expand Settlements as always.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:53 am
by Uxupox
Alyakia wrote:
Uxupox wrote:Let's say that Hamas get's "lucky" and kill 1 or a few? What do you suggest then? Ignore it as well? A few lives don't matter right?


well in that case the obvious answer is to ban chocolate, invade, kill thousands and displace hundreds of thousands of peole


Violence will only beget violence.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:54 am
by Gauthier
Uxupox wrote:
Alyakia wrote:
well in that case the obvious answer is to ban chocolate, invade, kill thousands and displace hundreds of thousands of peole


Violence will only beget violence.


Because the Palestinians bending over with their pants down while Israeli settlers sodomize them out of land will result in peace. For the Israeli settlers.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:56 am
by Alyakia
Uxupox wrote:
Alyakia wrote:
well in that case the obvious answer is to ban chocolate, invade, kill thousands and displace hundreds of thousands of peole


Violence will only beget violence.


i agree. so israel should stop being so agg- wait a minute

PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:56 am
by Uxupox
Gauthier wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
Violence will only beget violence.


Because the Palestinians bending over with their pants down while Israeli settlers sodomize them out of land will result in peace. For the Israeli settlers.


Have you seen me supporting expanding the settlements? No. In fact I agree with you that's wrong and disgusting. But Hamas using continued rocket attacks and expect the Israelis to just wither it is insane and unreasonable.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:59 am
by Alyakia
Uxupox wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Because the Palestinians bending over with their pants down while Israeli settlers sodomize them out of land will result in peace. For the Israeli settlers.


Have you seen me supporting expanding the settlements? No. In fact I agree with you that's wrong and disgusting. But Hamas using continued rocket attacks and expect the Israelis to just wither it is insane and unreasonable.


even when hamas stops rocket attacks for months and years on end shit still happens. hmm.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 10:58 am
by DBJ
Alyakia wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
So answer violence with violence? Yea that's gonna work out great.


there is a reason that "peaceful resistance? more settlements. violent resistance? more settlements. go to UN? more settlements. don't go to UN? more settlements." became a meme

stupid people?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 3:31 pm
by Prussia-Steinbach
Jamzmania wrote:
Alyakia wrote:>hamas is to blame because they respond to israeli violence with anything but absolute submission

Hamas is to blame because they constantly commit to violence instead of peace.

Maybe because peace and diplomacy not only got them nowhere, but earned them further Israeli settlements in their territory.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 3:31 pm
by Prussia-Steinbach
Uxupox wrote:So answer violence with violence? Yea that's gonna work out great.

Exactly. Israel needs to lay down arms.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 3:32 pm
by Prussia-Steinbach
Aelex wrote:For refusing to be slaughtered and responding to violence with violence? Excuse me but their behavior is quite excusable.

The Palestinians' behavior? Yes.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 3:33 pm
by Prussia-Steinbach
DBJ wrote:
Alyakia wrote:
there is a reason that "peaceful resistance? more settlements. violent resistance? more settlements. go to UN? more settlements. don't go to UN? more settlements." became a meme

stupid people?

People that can actually follow current events.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 3:34 pm
by Geilinor
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Jamzmania wrote:Hamas is to blame because they constantly commit to violence instead of peace.

Maybe because peace and diplomacy not only got them nowhere, but earned them further Israeli settlements in their territory.

It didn't. Israel pulled settlements out of Gaza in 2006 and Hamas doesn't rule the West Bank.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 3:47 pm
by Eroda Saaniah
Hamas gaining rule is one of the reasons why peace is unlikely. The other is the sheer jingoism of Netanyahu.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 6:12 pm
by Tmutarakhan
Merizoc wrote:
Aelex wrote:For refusing to be slaughtered and responding to violence with violence? Excuse me but their behavior is quite excusable.

Now, the wronger are the Palestinians. If they used diplomacy rather than strait-up tried to genocide the Israeli, nor tried to do it again repetitively during the course of the year, they wouldn't be in such deep shit nowadays.

The Palestinians have never attempted genocide. Stop lying.

Their aim has ALWAYS been genocide. It was adopted as their leadership's policy in 1920, and while some major factions have said they were no longer pursuing genocide as an aim, at every time there have been major factions, such as Hamas at present, who continue to hold genocide as their official aim.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 6:14 pm
by Tmutarakhan
Alyakia wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
Have you seen me supporting expanding the settlements? No. In fact I agree with you that's wrong and disgusting. But Hamas using continued rocket attacks and expect the Israelis to just wither it is insane and unreasonable.


even when hamas stops rocket attacks for months and years on end shit still happens. hmm.

Since the Israeli evacuation of Gaza there has never been a year without rocket attacks from there; there has seldom even been a month without attacks.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 6:22 pm
by Alyakia
Tmutarakhan wrote:
Alyakia wrote:
even when hamas stops rocket attacks for months and years on end shit still happens. hmm.

Since the Israeli evacuation of Gaza there has never been a year without rocket attacks from there; there has seldom even been a month without attacks.


there is a difference between rocket attacks and hamas rocket attacks.

i would consider a month with literally 1 rocket to be splitting hairs. and when the number of rockets fired a month goes from 4 to 2,874 you know that something has gone pretty badly.