Israel / Gaza / Hamas Mega-Thread

[Liberty and Linguistics]

Pardon? It's a crime to be gay in Palestine, a legitimate crime that involves jailtimes and beatings. In Israel, civil unions are fully legal, and the country has a thriving gay community. So, what are you trying to say?

...that acting like Hamas is the single and final arbiter of the will of the Palestinian people is silly and inaccurate?

We're not. Though, Palestine voted by a large margin for Hamas, and Hamas is extraordinarily popular throughout the Palestinian Territories, especially in Gaza.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

...that acting like Hamas is the single and final arbiter of the will of the Palestinian people is silly and inaccurate?

Everyone knows brown people are hiveminds, silly. Ebil Muslim Theorem.

Nobody mentioned brown people or hiveminds. If you have anything productive to contribute, I'd applaud you.

[New Benian Republic]

...that acting like Hamas is the single and final arbiter of the will of the Palestinian people is silly and inaccurate?

We're not. Though, Palestine voted by a large margin for Hamas, and Hamas is extraordinarily popular throughout the Palestinian Territories, especially in Gaza.

On part because groups that tried peaceful means achieved nothing wheras Hamas can put Israel on the run.

[Gauthier]

...that acting like Hamas is the single and final arbiter of the will of the Palestinian people is silly and inaccurate?

We're not. Though, Palestine voted by a large margin for Hamas, and Hamas is extraordinarily popular throughout the Palestinian Territories, especially in Gaza.

As a reaction to Fatah's perceived self-aggrandizing corruption and bending over for Israeli buttfucks while Hamas actually went to the bother of establishing social infrastructure.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

We're not.

Most Israel supporters in this thread have been. Speak for yourself.

Though, Palestine voted by a large margin for Hamas, and Hamas is extraordinarily popular throughout the Palestinian Territories, especially in Gaza.

"Desperate times call for desperate measures," perhaps. You see entire families bombed in their homes, Israeli soldiers shooting women and children, it might make a guy go off the deep end and scream "Death to Israel."

[Geilinor]

...that acting like Hamas is the single and final arbiter of the will of the Palestinian people is silly and inaccurate?

We're not. Though, Palestine voted by a large margin for Hamas, and Hamas is extraordinarily popular throughout the Palestinian Territories, especially in Gaza.

Gaza did, and only after a conflict between Hamas and Fatah.

[Geilinor]

We're not.

Most Israel supporters in this thread have been. Speak for yourself.

Though, Palestine voted by a large margin for Hamas, and Hamas is extraordinarily popular throughout the Palestinian Territories, especially in Gaza.

"Desperate times call for desperate measures," perhaps. You see entire families bombed in their homes, Israeli soldiers shooting women and children, it might make a guy go off the deep end and scream "Death to Israel."

Are you justifying firing rockets at people?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

As a reaction to Fatah's perceived self-aggrandizing corruption and bending over for Israeli buttfucks while Hamas actually went to the bother of establishing social infrastructure.

This too.

Sometimes you just can't settle for the moderates, laying on their back and saying "please."

[Liberty and Linguistics]

We're not.

Most Israel supporters in this thread have been. Speak for yourself.

Though, Palestine voted by a large margin for Hamas, and Hamas is extraordinarily popular throughout the Palestinian Territories, especially in Gaza.

"Desperate times call for desperate measures," perhaps. You see entire families bombed in their homes, Israeli soldiers shooting women and children, it might make a guy go off the deep end and scream "Death to Israel."

Oddly enough, the Israelis don't have the same response. Keep in mind that the original wars were all instigated by Palestine and other Arab nations, so Israel, while it has gone overboard, has been defending itself for the last few decades. Israel has offered nearly 10 ceasefires in the last several years, all of which have been ignored by the oh so rational Palestinian government.

[Geilinor]

As a reaction to Fatah's perceived self-aggrandizing corruption and bending over for Israeli buttfucks while Hamas actually went to the bother of establishing social infrastructure.

This too.

Sometimes you just can't settle for the moderates, laying on their back and saying "please."

There's a way to be radical without being violent.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Oddly enough, the Israelis don't have the same response. Keep in mind that the original wars were all instigated by Palestine and other Arab nations, so Israel, while it has gone overboard, has been defending itself for the last few decades. Israel has offered nearly 10 ceasefires in the last several years, all of which have been ignored by the oh so rational Palestinian government.

Israel's existence is aggression. They were carved out of Palestine without permission from the Palestinian people.

Plus, it's hard for me to believe those illegal settlements, children used as shields, children shot in the street, entire blocks blown up, etc, are necessary for defence from shit like this.

[New Benian Republic]

This too.

Sometimes you just can't settle for the moderates, laying on their back and saying "please."

There's a way to be radical without being violent.

Violence is the only thing that Israel understands.

[Occupied Deutschland]

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"Desperate times call for desperate measures," perhaps. You see entire families bombed in their homes, Israeli soldiers shooting women and children, it might make a guy go off the deep end and scream "Death to Israel."

Because clearly Hamas has not been involved in families getting blown up.
Because it's not like they organize or support randomly shooting rockets into Israel.
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[Washington Resistance Army]

...
"Desperate times call for desperate measures," perhaps. You see entire families bombed in their homes, Israeli soldiers shooting women and children, it might make a guy go off the deep end and scream "Death to Israel."

Because clearly Hamas has not been involved in families getting blown up.
Because it's not like they organize or support randomly shooting rockets into Israel.
...

Yeah, rockets that are really nothing more than shit powered unguided fireworks that even the Israeli government says don't do shit are more psychological than anything.

Clearly that's a great reason to kill 2,000+ people.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Oddly enough, the Israelis don't have the same response. Keep in mind that the original wars were all instigated by Palestine and other Arab nations, so Israel, while it has gone overboard, has been defending itself for the last few decades. Israel has offered nearly 10 ceasefires in the last several years, all of which have been ignored by the oh so rational Palestinian government.

Israel's existence is aggression. They were carved out of Palestine without permission from the Palestinian people.

In large part due to the civil war underway.
Because Palestinians were blowing up buses and shooting Jews.
This has been explained to you before, and you never properly corrected your mistaken precepts and lack of historical context regarding the creation of the Israeli state.[/quote]

[Geilinor]

Oddly enough, the Israelis don't have the same response. Keep in mind that the original wars were all instigated by Palestine and other Arab nations, so Israel, while it has gone overboard, has been defending itself for the last few decades. Israel has offered nearly 10 ceasefires in the last several years, all of which have been ignored by the oh so rational Palestinian government.

Israel's existence is aggression. They were carved out of Palestine without permission from the Palestinian people.

Plus, it's hard for me to believe those illegal settlements, children used as shields, children shot in the street, entire blocks blown up, etc, are necessary for defence from shit like this.

There are polls showing that most Israelis and Palestinians support a two-state solution. Most Palestinians are fine with Israel's existence. http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Majority-of-Palestinians-still-support-2-state-solution-new-poll-says-381141

[Gauthier]

Israel's existence is aggression. They were carved out of Palestine without permission from the Palestinian people.

Plus, it's hard for me to believe those illegal settlements, children used as shields, children shot in the street, entire blocks blown up, etc, are necessary for defence from shit like this.

There are polls showing that most Israelis and Palestinians support a two-state solution. Most Palestinians are fine with Israel's existence. http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Majority-of-Palestinians-still-support-2-state-solution-new-poll-says-381141

And the reason it's not happening is Hamas and Netanyahu are stroking each other off to maintain power and popularity in their respective constituencies.

[Geilinor]

There are polls showing that most Israelis and Palestinians support a two-state solution. Most Palestinians are fine with Israel's existence. http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Majority-of-Palestinians-still-support-2-state-solution-new-poll-says-381141

And the reason it's not happening is Hamas and Netanyahu are stroking each other off to maintain power and popularity in their respective constituencies.

Wow, a fair analysis of the situation.

[New Benian Republic]

There are polls showing that most Israelis and Palestinians support a two-state solution. Most Palestinians are fine with Israel's existence. http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Majority-of-Palestinians-still-support-2-state-solution-new-poll-says-381141

And the reason it's not happening is Hamas and Netanyahu are stroking each other off to maintain power and popularity in their respective constituencies.

Keep in mind if Israel didn't exist there would most likely be no conflict.

[Geilinor]

And the reason it's not happening is Hamas and Netanyahu are stroking each other off to maintain power and popularity in their respective constituencies.

Keep in mind if Israel didn't exist there would most likely be no conflict.

The Jews and Arabs in Palestine were fighting before Israel existed.

[New Benian Republic]

Keep in mind if Israel didn't exist there would most likely be no conflict.

The Jews and Muslims in Palestine were fighting before Israel existed.

So That's why Jordan sent troops to protect Christians and their church in the West Bank?

[Geilinor]

The Jews and Muslims in Palestine were fighting before Israel existed.

So That's why Jordan sent troops to protect Christians and their church in the West Bank?

Are you intentionally ignorant?

[Byzantium Imperial]

The Jews and Muslims in Palestine were fighting before Israel existed.

So That's why Jordan sent troops to protect Christians and their church in the West Bank?

This started way before Israel


edit: Oops, i appear to have linked the same article as Gellinor. My bad

[Qart chadast]

Watch this
Its a good video where the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is explained and where the British are busted on being assholes.

[Byzantium Imperial]

Oh I love that series of videos, helped alot in high school english.